So game postponed while tied after 7

The Giant · 04-14-14, 10:16 PM

If you had the over, I'm so sorry.

If you had the under, congratulations you're getting your money back.

pavyracer · 04-14-14, 10:16 PM

It's suspended. Only totals are voided. All other bets are still active.

smitch124 · 04-14-14, 10:18 PM

under haha, gotta love midwest weather

InTheDrink · 04-14-14, 10:20 PM

you could have checked your account because im sure its already refunded

jjgold · 04-14-14, 10:27 PM

When is game going to be completed?

I have Reds

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 10:28 PM

Someone please expain/justify this rule to me

If you bet the total on an MLB game and the Over has already happened and the game gets suspended why do they cancel the bets? This makes no sense to me. And yes... I am referring to tonight's Pirates vs Reds game. And yes I had the Over. If I had the Under and it was graded as a Loss I wouldn't complain and I don't see how anyone could. Someone please explain the logic behind this rule to me.

smitch124 · 04-14-14, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

When is game going to be completed?

I have Reds

Tomorrow 5:30 pm

hoot29576 · 04-14-14, 10:31 PM

I could see if the bet still had a chance or was yet to be determined but this should have been declared a winner as soon as the over hit.

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 10:33 PM

I just started a thread about this. I had the Over and the Reds. My Over bet has already been cancelled. My Reds bet(at a different Book) is still pending as of right now. I don't understand why they cancel the Over/Under bets if the result has already occurred. Someone please explain the logic behind this rule to me.

The Giant · 04-14-14, 10:33 PM

Baseball figured out a way to keep all the gamblers watching until the game is over.

smitch124 · 04-14-14, 10:38 PM

I just think the books want to even take the time to parse out the differences. There are a lot of possibilities that are more gray, and they just say cancel them all.

InTheDrink · 04-14-14, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

If you bet the total on an MLB game and the Over has already happened and the game gets suspended why do they cancel the bets? This makes no sense to me. And yes... I am referring to tonight's Pirates vs Reds game. And yes I had the Over. If I had the Under and it was graded as a Loss I wouldn't complain and I don't see how anyone could. Someone please explain the logic behind this rule to me.

Justin3587 · 04-14-14, 10:44 PM

Because of that little clause "game must go 9 innings for action".

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

The reason I wouldn't complain and the reason why nobody on the planet could rationally complain about this is because the Over has already occurred.

zizoudane10 · 04-14-14, 10:45 PM

I was happy as hell.

I had the under.

Me on the right, you on the left:

InTheDrink · 04-14-14, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

The reason I wouldn't complain and the reason why nobody on the planet could rationally complain about this is because the Over has already occurred.

i misread the original post and where i bolded...apologies

anyway would you agree that if the score was 2-2 when it was ppd that theyd have to call it no action? of course you would

this means that there would be a possibly significant edge to any over bettor for every game with questionable weather in the forecast

the correct response is to throw out every game that doesnt finish

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Justin3587

Because of that little clause "game must go 9 innings for action".

I understand they have this clause. And I completely understand this clause when you are picking either team to win. If this score is 35 to 2 and I have the team that has 35 I still understand this clause. But if it is impossible for the event to be changed(the Over/Under) in this case I don't understand why they cancel the bets. If the game wasn't suspended it would have been impossible for those who picked the Under to win just as it would have been impossible for those who picked the over to Lose.

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

i misread the original post and where i bolded...apologies

anyway would you agree that if the score was 2-2 when it was ppd that theyd have to call it no action? of course you would

this means that there would be a possibly significant edge to any over bettor for every game with questionable weather in the forecast

the correct response is to throw out every game that doesnt finish

I would even understand if the game was 7-0 in the middle of the first and they called it No Action. But when the result has already occurred... it doesn't make sense to me.

The Giant · 04-14-14, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

I would even understand if the game was 7-0 in the middle of the first and they called it No Action. But when the result has already occurred... it doesn't make sense to me.

It's this way in every sport.

If an NFL game has 70 points scored at halftime, and then a terroristic attack occurs, you're not going to get paid on your over. All sports have a designated amount of time that must be played for action, it's only in baseball where it comes to the surface more often than not.

InTheDrink · 04-14-14, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

I would even understand if the game was 7-0 in the middle of the first and they called it No Action. But when the result has already occurred... it doesn't make sense to me.

Reread my post and if it doesn't make sense just go to bed

If you pay out overs in shortened games but say that unders can't be paid because it's unfair then there is potentially a significant edge for playing the over

This really isn't a complicated subject

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

Reread my post and if it doesn't make sense just go to bed

If you pay out overs in shortened games but say that unders can't be paid because it's unfair then there is potentially a significant edge for playing the over

This really isn't a complicated subject

Reread all my posts and if they don't make sense then just go to bed. If the result is still in question then I can completely understand if they cancel all the bets that are still in question. However, if it is 100% impossible for the result to be changed then I don't understand why they cancel the bets. I agree, this really isn't that complicated.

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

It's this way in every sport.

If an NFL game has 70 points scored at halftime, and then a terroristic attack occurs, you're not going to get paid on your over. All sports have a designated amount of time that must be played for action, it's only in baseball where it comes to the surface more often than not.

This may be true. However, many Sportsbooks will grade your wagers as a loss before the game is over if it is impossible for the result to be changed. Example, lets say I have a wager for Under 2.5 receptions for a Receiver. If that Receiver gets 3 receptions in the first quarter many Sportsbooks will grade this wager as a loss even before halftime. If there was a terrorist attack in the 3rd quarter I don't see how anyone could complain that their wager was graded as a loss.

The Giant · 04-14-14, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

This may be true. However, many Sportsbooks will grade your wagers as a loss before the game is over if it is impossible for the result to be changed. Example, lets say I have a wager for Under 2.5 receptions for a Receiver. If that Receiver gets 3 receptions in the first quarter many Sportsbooks will grade this wager as a loss even before halftime. If there was a terrorist attack in the 3rd quarter I don't see how anyone could complain that their wager was graded as a loss.

Really? I'm not really a props guy, I'm a little surprised to hear this.

Maybe rules are different on props than with sides and totals.

Jayvegas420 · 04-14-14, 11:22 PM

Bets that aren't made in -play dont get paid in play.
Not at any book that I play at.

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

Really? I'm not really a props guy, I'm a little surprised to hear this.

Maybe rules are different on props than with sides and totals.

Yes. Not only do they do this on Receptions they also do it on Receiving yards and Rushing yards. Theoretically the Receiving and Rushing yards still have a chance to go back to the Under although they almost never do.

InTheDrink · 04-14-14, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

Reread all my posts and if they don't make sense then just go to bed. If the result is still in question then I can completely understand if they cancel all the bets that are still in question. However, if it is 100% impossible for the result to be changed then I don't understand why they cancel the bets. I agree, this really isn't that complicated.

so the result is in question when the score is under the total, correct?

so the only way you can win a shortened game is by playing the over?

oh okay

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

so the result is in question when the score is under the total, correct?

so the only way you can win a shortened game is by playing the over?

oh okay

You should be able to Win OR Lose a suspended game if it is impossible for the result to be changed. Everyone who had the Over on tonight's game should get paid. AND everyone who had the Under on tonight's game should lose.

Optional · 04-14-14, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

It's this way in every sport.

If an NFL game has 70 points scored at halftime, and then a terroristic attack occurs, you're not going to get paid on your over. All sports have a designated amount of time that must be played for action, it's only in baseball where it comes to the surface more often than not.

Bet365 rule for tennis is that if the result of a total is already determined it gets paid even if match ends with a retirement. And bets are not void if a match is interrupted to the next day.

I think every book that does NASCAR would leave bets live to be completed when the race resumes the next day.

Are you sure it's not really mostly a baseball thing that an interrupted match voids bets?

Da Manster! · 04-14-14, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

If you bet the total on an MLB game and the Over has already happened and the game gets suspended why do they cancel the bets? This makes no sense to me. And yes... I am referring to tonight's Pirates vs Reds game. And yes I had the Over. If I had the Under and it was graded as a Loss I wouldn't complain and I don't see how anyone could. Someone please explain the logic behind this rule to me.

because the game didn't get suspended...it got postponed...as in cancelled...meaning there is no action on the game because the game never happened officially so all wagers are null and void...A suspended game gets finished the next day and all active wagers are graded accordingly...All books clearly state games must go at least 9 innings or 8.5 if the home team is winning for totals to be graded...conversely, this can work to your advantage if you had the under (should have been graded as a loss) but you get off the hook because the game didn't go the full 8.5 or 9 innings...Hope that clears things up a bit.

JohnGalt2341 · 04-14-14, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

because the game didn't get suspended...it got postponed...as in cancelled...meaning there is no action on the game because the game never happened officially so all wagers are null and void...A suspended game gets finished the next day and all active wagers are graded accordingly...All books clearly state games must go at least 9 innings or 8.5 if the home team is winning for totals to be graded...conversely, this can work to your advantage if you had the under (should have been graded as a loss) but you get off the hook because the game didn't go the full 8.5 or 9 innings...Hope that clears things up a bit.

If the game is indeed cancelled then I can understand. However, as far as I know this game has not been cancelled. It has been suspended.

TheMoneyShot · 04-14-14, 11:46 PM

I remember these things happened to me always 6-9 years ago wagering MLB. Glad I don't wager it that much like I use to.

Rules are rules. They don't make any sense. But it's just like TheGiant said... every sport has an official time for proper grading. It sucks... I totally agree with you John... all these rules were designed to help the HOUSE... that's for sure.

Da Manster! · 04-14-14, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

If the game is indeed cancelled then I can understand. However, as far as I know this game has not been cancelled. It has been suspended.
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Hmm...that's interesting because Cbssports.com has it as postponed but you are right...ESPN says the game is to be resumed Tuesday, April 15th in which case they should honor your wager and grade it as a win.

POSTPONED

Pittsburgh(6-6)

Cincinnati(4-8)

Cozart struck out swinging.
Due Up: T. Snider (.293, 1-for-3, homer, RBI, strikeout),A. McCutchen (.239, 1-for-3, RBI, single, strikeout), P. Alvarez(.167, 0-for-3, strikeout)
HR: PIT - N. Walker (3),G. Sanchez (1),S. Marte (1),T. Snider (3),N. Walker (4),G. Sanchez (2) CIN - T. Frazier (3),R. Ludwick (2),J. Votto (3),D. Mesoraco (3)

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NYSportsGuy210 · 04-14-14, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Justin3587

Because of that little clause "game must go 9 innings for action".

But the game will go 9 innings by tomorrow. It wasn't rain shortened or canceled. They will play the full 9.

TheMoneyShot · 04-14-14, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Justin3587

Because of that little clause "game must go 9 innings for action".

Originally posted by NYSportsGuy210

But the game will go 9 innings by tomorrow. It wasn't rain shortened or canceled. They will play the full 9.

I believe it's... game must go full 9 innings on the day it was scheduled. So if the game was postponed or suspended... it technically would happen next day... and all wagers would be refunded.