10% Chance We Go To War With Russia

[Russian Rocket]

Russian, byeshea thinks russia is at war because Rush Limbaugh said so..

[sweethook]

just more white people killing white people , so sad

[Smoke]

Good clean battle with Rocket and Shea

Tough to say who won

Rocket call me

Rocker is my friend but shea clearly has him on edge

Rocker angry again

[Russian Rocket]

Rocker is my friend but shea clearly has him on edge

Rocker angry again

Smoke you think that everything I type here, I do it with some sort of an anger
I'm sitting here with a smile on my face...we're having a normal forum discussion as far as I can see

[Smoke]

Smoke you think that everything I type here, I do it with some sort of an anger
I'm sitting here with a smile on my face...we're having a normal forum discussion as far as I can see

Just fukkin with ya pally......carry on

[Darkside Magick]

Where is this war everyone talking about.....uncle Sam not messing with the bear.....probably aide some rebels and hope to have a civil war ..that is the only card they got...this is not the late 70's

[manny24]

Rocky hope you had a nice visit last time you went home

Obama sent Bubbles, TT, and Vito on no rations direct flight to Moscow this AM

sorry man

[Russian Rocket]

Where is this war everyone talking about.....uncle Sam not messing with the bear.....probably aide some rebels and hope to have a civil war ..that is the only card they got...this is not the late 70's

there are some Russian youtube vids that show former US and NATO intelligence officers prepping these Ukranian punks in Estonia a year prior to this event...but I'm not gonna get into this discussion right now

[Russian Rocket]

Rocky hope you had a nice visit last time you went home

Obama sent Bubbles, TT, and Vito on no rations direct flight to Moscow this AM

sorry man

The visit was awesome, Manny...too bad I had to comeback right when Olympics started - really wanted to attend at least one hockey game.

TT's ban is well deserved - they should've never let this clown to comeback here in the first place
Not sure what's the story with Vito and Bubblez

[Darkside Magick]

there are some Russian youtube vids that show former US and NATO intelligence officers prepping these Ukranian punks in Estonia a year prior to this event...but I'm not gonna get into this discussion right now

Yes rocket I know all this been pre planned..no us troops will never go there...-ev....one or the worst area in the world to fight....all of this one big dog and pony show to see who control the food!

[ByeShea]

Why is the source of the image is now an issue?

Because I know a WSJ graph, a Barrons graph, an Institutional Investor graph when I see one. Your fib was obvious to these trained eyes - all while calling me stupid and telling me how much I don't know about the stock market. WTF.

so how the hell can you draw a conclusion between today's market movement in Russia and current situation in Crimea peninsula?

Russian troops occupy Crimea over the weekend and make international headlines. And on Monday the bottom falls out of the Russian stock market - hard.

100% of financial news outlets must be stupid like me because the two events are repeatedly being linked.

Here's the carnage: http://www.quotenet.com/index/market-movers/MICEX The book says you buy the index (MICEX), btw. There is hope.

[Russian Rocket]

Because I know a WSJ graph, a Barrons graph, an Institutional Investor graph when I see one. Your fib was obvious to these trained eyes - all while calling me stupid and telling me how much I don't know about the stock market. WTF.


Russian troops occupy Crimea over the weekend and make international headlines. And on Monday the bottom falls out of the Russian stock market - hard.

100% of financial news outlets must be stupid like me because the two events are repeatedly being linked.

Here's the carnage: http://www.quotenet.com/index/market-movers/MICEX The book says you buy the index (MICEX), btw. There is hope.

the data on that graph was correct, who cares where the image came from? am I talking to a 10 year old here?
You're completely missing the point of that graph. In less than 15min I can throw this shit in Excel or Vizio and blow your mind with new graphics for that chart.

and on your 2nd point...You said that Russia is at war right now and that's why the market collapsed.
Show me what financial outlets are saying that today's market collapse happened because of that war in Ukraine.

as far as I know we're not at war, but of course my knowledge of the current situation could obviously be outdated comparing to yours

[ByeShea]

the data on that graph was correct, who cares where the image came from? am I talking to a 10 year old here?
You're completely missing the point of that graph. In less than 15min I can throw this shit in Excel or Vizio and blow your mind with new graphics for that chart.

Although it was fun to laugh at the crayon dashes, the graphics are the lesser of the giveaway. That graph compares a handful of multiday averages across the breadth of 100 years. It's statistically useless and would never be presented to market participants for short term insight or long term trends. But it certainly could end up in a professor's book.

and on your 2nd point...You said that Russia is at war right now and that's why the market collapsed.

ONE MORE TIME - MY POST THAT HURT YOUR BUTT:

Monday's news: Russian central bank raising rates, ruble hits all-time lows, and Russian stock market off 10% and counting.

And the fighting hasn't even started yet.

Your subscription to Pravda isn't doing your brain (or King Mayan's) any favors. Consider cancelling.

[Russian Rocket]

hey you forgot to include this as well

When the US goes to war the stock market rallies - it doesn't tank. Bad sign, bro. Russia now off 12% and counting.

or this

What we don't tend to see (ever in US history, I believe) is the markets crash on Day 1 of an event of war.

even after all this he's gonna pretend that he didn't talk about war


Your little insult about Pravda is weak - no one reads that shit in Russia, besides old timers...but wait, you probably already know that from reading your financial news outlets

[Winner_13]

So are the Ukrainian ships that Russia has told Ukraine to surrender, surrendering?

[Winner_13]

RR- what happened to your thread about JJ knowing u have a Canadian address?

[Russian Rocket]

RR- what happened to your thread about JJ knowing u have a Canadian address?

It's floating somewhere here...nothing new to see there

[ByeShea]

even after all this he's gonna pretend that he didn't talk about war

Stick to hockey, Rocket.

[Smoke]

[Russian Rocket]

Stick to hockey, Rocket.

[byronbb]

Where is this war everyone talking about.....uncle Sam not messing with the bear.....probably aide some rebels and hope to have a civil war ..that is the only card they got...this is not the late 70's

[statnerds]

I bet you would be the bitch if Obama drafted your ass then declared war you'll shit your pants

few things. don't feel bad, i correct my 8 yr old on his ignorance as well. America, in its greatness and superiority, staffs a military made completely of volunteers. No one is forced to protect this great nation and risk their lives for folks like me and you, whom find meaning in posting on gambling forums.

you never really refuted the bitch part. putin will do whatever he wants. kerry going to kiev, putin must be shittin bricks about now. aslyum to snowden? did you forget that part.

and don't insert rofl shit into your own reply, just reminds us of all this guy:

[statnerds]

Russian troops occupy Crimea over the weekend and make international headlines. And on Monday the bottom falls out of the Russian stock market - hard.

fukk, my work is never done...

i will avoid a lengthy rebuttal here and simply ask if the Russian stock market is about 231 years behind reality (meaning russia has had troops occupying crimea since at least 1783 and a lease agreement for naval bases that runs through 2017, meaning they were already there)?

[King Mayan]

few things. don't feel bad, i correct my 8 yr old on his ignorance as well. America, in its greatness and superiority, staffs a military made completely of volunteers. No one is forced to protect this great nation and risk their lives for folks like me and you, whom find meaning in posting on gambling forums.

you never really refuted the bitch part. putin will do whatever he wants. kerry going to kiev, putin must be shittin bricks about now. aslyum to snowden? did you forget that part.

and don't insert rofl shit into your own reply, just reminds us of all this guy:

So Putin is doing whatever he wants in his region of the world and obama is the bitch

I suggest that you don't be a bitch and go join the military yourself so you can at least back up your "bitch claims" or at least prep your kid to join the military then yell "WAR!!!!!!" when he's an 0311 marine...

[The Kraken]

Obama easily winning

Making Putin look real bad

He knew putin wouldn't fire a shot. Now the world is against Putin. He's even being pressured by ruskies to get out of Crimea.

Putin

[sweep]

[Russian Rocket]

Obama easily winning

Making Putin look real bad

He knew putin wouldn't fire a shot. Now the world is against Putin. He's even being pressured by ruskies to get out of Crimea.

Putin

Russia is controlling the entire Ukrainian region in Crimea without firing a single shot and that's making Russia look bad?
All while your president is wasting another 1 billion of your tax money to help Ukraine.

Thanks for the laugh Kraken!

[Mitchell88]

Russian Rocket is an ambassador for the whole world he is well traveled don't doubt him.

Obama moron for giving money to anyone what an idiot

[The Kraken]

Russia is losing the PR battle. Now aid is flowing into Ukraine, something like a Billion from the U.S. And 15 billion from Europe. This will only strengthen the pro-west ukranian's.
Russia is controlling Crimea today but you have to see past your nose Rocket, the west is winning this battle.

[Russian Rocket]

Russia is losing the PR battle. Now aid is flowing into Ukraine, something like a Billion from the U.S. And 15 billion from Europe. This will only strengthen the pro-west ukranian's.
Russia is controlling Crimea today but you have to see past your nose Rocket, the west is winning this battle.

do you think Russia ever worried about winning a PR war? Kraken, you've been watching too much of the American TV. The entire world doesn't live by the same rules or principals as US.
We're doing what's right for Crimea's people right now, we're also protecting our assets in that region and that's the bottom line here.

[Mitchell88]

do you think Russia ever worried about winning a PR war? Kraken, you've been watching too much of the American TV. The entire world doesn't live by the same rules or principals as US.
We're doing what's right for Crimea's people right now, we're also protecting our assets in that region and that's the bottom line here.

American TV isn't showing us everything that's for sure. The international community is nervous though if this gets let go without some sort of backlash who is to say Putin doesn't try to take all of Ukraine in three months?

[Russian Rocket]

Here are some facts on what we're doing over there, Kraken

Ukraine’s statement at the UN that ‘16,000 Russian soldiers had been deployed’ across Crimea sparked a MSM feeding frenzy that steadfastly ignored any hard facts that got in their way.
Especially unwelcome is the fact that the so-called ‘invasion force’ has been there for 15 years already.
The media many trust described in hysterical tones how the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was under a full-scale Russian invasion with headlines like: “Ukraine says Russia sent 16,000 troops to Crimea”, “Ukraine crisis deepens as Russia sends more troops into Crimea,” as well as “What can Obama do about Russia's invasion of Crimea?”.
Facts, and ardent statements by top Russian diplomats were totally ignored by the western ‘war press’.
Russian UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin pointed to the longstanding 25,000 troop allowance while FM Sergey Lavrov stressed the Russian military “strictly executes the agreements which stipulate the Russian fleet’s presence in Ukraine, and follows the stance and claims coming from the legitimate authority in Ukraine and in this case the legitimate authority of the Autonomous Republic Crimea as well.”

So here they are, the facts:

1) A Russian naval presence in Crimea dates to 1783 when the port city of Sevastopol was founded by Russian Prince Grigory Potemkin. Crimea was part of Russia until Nikita Khruschev gave it to Ukraine in 1954.

2) In 1997, amid the wreckage of the USSR, Russia & Ukraine signed a Partition Treaty determining the fate of the military bases and vessels in Crimea. The deal sparked widespread officer ‘defections’ to Russia and was ratified by the Russian & Ukrainian parliaments in 1999. Russia received 81.7 percent of the fleet’s ships after paying the Ukrainian government US$526.5 million.

3) The deal allowed the Russian Black Sea Fleet to stay in Crimea until 2017. This was extended by another 25 years to 2042 with a 5-year extension option in 2010.

4) Moscow annually writes off $97.75 million of Kiev’s debt for the right to use Ukrainian waters and radio frequencies, and to compensate for the Black Sea Fleet’s environmental impact.

5) The Russian navy is allowed up to
- 25,000 troops,
- 24 artillery systems with a caliber smaller than 100 mm,
- 132 armored vehicles, and
- 22 military planes, on Crimean territory.

6) Five Russian naval units are stationed in the port city of Sevastopol, in compliance with the treaty:
- The 30th Surface Ship Division formed by the 11th Antisubmarine Ship Brigade. Comprises the Black Sea Fleet’s flagship guard missile cruiser Moskva as well as Kerch, Ochakov, Smetlivy, Ladny, and Pytlivy vessels, and the 197th Landing Ship Brigade, consisting of seven large amphibious vessels;
- The 41st Missile Boat Brigade includes the 166th Fast Attack Craft Division, consisting of Bora and Samum hovercrafts as well as small missile ships Mirazh and Shtil, and 295th missile Boat Division;
- The 247th Separate Submarine Division, consisting of two diesel submarines – B-871 Alrosa and B-380 Svyatoy Knyaz Georgy;
- The 68th Harbor Defense Ship Brigade formed by 4 vessels of the 400th Antisubmarine Ship Battalion and 418 Mine Hunting Ship Division respectively.;
- The 422nd Separate Hydrographic Ship Division boasts the Cheleken, Stvor, Donuzlav and GS-402 survey vessels and hydrographic boats.

7) Russia has two airbases in Crimea, in Kacha and Gvardeysky.

8) Russian coastal forces in Ukraine consist of the 1096th Separate Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment in Sevastopol and the 810th Marine Brigade, which hosts around 2,000 marines.

9) Russian naval units are permitted to implement security measures at their permanent post as well as during re-deployments in cooperation with Ukrainian forces, in accordance with Russia’s armed forces procedures.
Authorities in the Ukrainian Autonomous Republic of Crimea – where over half the population is Russian – requested Moscow’s assistance after the self-proclaimed government in Kiev introduced a law abolishing the use of languages other than Ukrainian in official circumstances.
Last week, Russia’s Federation Council unanimously approved President Vladimir Putin’s request to send the country’s military forces to Ukraine to ensure peace and order in the region “until the socio-political situation in the country is stabilized.”
However, the final say about deploying troops lies with Putin, who hasn’t yet made such a decision, stressing that deploying military force would be a last resort.

[The Kraken]

Whether Russia cares or not doesn't change rhe reality, they are losing the PR battle and yes, it does matter.

I watch a little tv but not much. Doesn't matter, Americans disapprove of what putin is doing, europeans, ukranians, most of the free world disapproves and now even Russians are disapproving. And regardless of what you or putin may believe, it's a big deal.

Rocket, lets agree to revisit this issue in a month. I respect your opinion, just disagree. Lets see what time tells us

[ByeShea]

Obama easily winning

Obama approval rating hitting new lows http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-in-key-areas/

Could be John Kerry's diplomatic mastery or Obama's general vagitude ... or both.

Obama could look to France and take some pointers on self-assertion. Yes, it's come to that.

[Mitchell88]

Regardless of what happens with U.S. and Russia Rocket will always be our friend on SBR end of story