Marxism-Leninism Is Coming to America

[ryanXL977]

they drive gop policy, so yes, they are
and the problem is, thats only a sliver of the republican party. so they are letting 13-15 million people determine political policy and thats why they lose elections. because this is not a far right country and those far right policies have been disproved over the last 8 years.

so letting radio talk show hosts, who dont run for political office, determine how an entire political party runs and what platforms it uses, is unwise. Limbaugh and Hannity have never risked anything in their lives, they are talk show hosts, they dont know how difficult it is to win elected office, or how hard it is to make laws that work for a country, and yet they have been as responsible as anyone for where we are at right now. The question is, who is behind them? who is paying them? is it simply a ratings game or is there someone behind them who is pushing their views?

[wtf]

what is this bizarre obsession with a radio personality

if people did not agree with them they would not listen and change the channel

[bettilimbroke999]

Split your paycheck with the poor Chi and Monkey, then you wont have to worry about all these minorities bein in the gutter, theyll enjoy HBO in a nice house and you can work your ass off for your half of the paycheck, good luck, the rest of us who have a brain would rather those welfare bums have to work for their money instead of workin for them, maybe idk take advantage of that free education we spend billions each year on instead of just smokin crack and practicing rap for 7 hours then goin home and rawdoggin 5 nasty hos who will jump up and down when they get preg bc they know how much money thats gonna increase their benefits each month

[HAPPY BOY]

Marxism and Leninism are comming.. Damn I dont have a thing to wear.

[RageWizard]

For the last 10 years or so, I kinda felt guilty for only being taxed 15% on my capital gains, while other smucks got taxed 20-35% of their income. Hope he doesn't take that away.

[losturmarbles]

There is no one to blame but the greedy banks and lenders who put us in this mess to begin with. Deregulated markets have nearly always created preditory atmospheres. It is a perfect example of why unregulated capitalism does not work. There must be a balance. Perhaps, people in this thread should read some history books. No one in the Obama administration is promoting flat out socialism. But it becomes apparent with the economic status of the wealthy vs. middle class and the current state of our economy that some balance must be restored. Why do you people panic so easily? Maybe, you should wait to see if his plans show results.

lol really no one to blame but greedy banks?? even if youre that naive to think that only the banks are responsible, it isnt that hard to follow the money back to government entities like fannie and freddie, and the government mandates that enabled them to exist.

deregulated markets? so you mean if the government interferes in the free market, and someone takes advantage of that interference, then those people are the problem and the market clearly needs government regulation to prevent people from taking advantage of the governments meddling. lol your logic is absurd.

"with the economic status of the wealthy vs. middle class and the current state of our economy that some balance must be restored."

haha so the truth comes out. its all about wealth envy. the evil rich people are wealthy because they cheated the poor man and its only fair if the government seizes their wealth to give to those less fortunate. of course less fortunate means unlucky, and after all those that are poor are so because of bad luck not because of their lack of work ethic or self responsibility.

so what exactly is "flat out socialism"?

government owned and managed backs, check
government owned and managed schools, check
government owned and managed health care facilities, check
graduated income tax, check

yeah i guess its not "flat out socialism" since people still have private property rights (for now), youre right.

[losturmarbles]

they drive gop policy, so yes, they are
and the problem is, thats only a sliver of the republican party. so they are letting 13-15 million people determine political policy and thats why they lose elections. because this is not a far right country and those far right policies have been disproved over the last 8 years.

so letting radio talk show hosts, who dont run for political office, determine how an entire political party runs and what platforms it uses, is unwise. Limbaugh and Hannity have never risked anything in their lives, they are talk show hosts, they dont know how difficult it is to win elected office, or how hard it is to make laws that work for a country, and yet they have been as responsible as anyone for where we are at right now. The question is, who is behind them? who is paying them? is it simply a ratings game or is there someone behind them who is pushing their views?

i dont listen to either, but i do remember them being unhappy with the gop last year long before the election, so how it is that theyre driving gop policy is ridiculous. but what would anyone else expect from one of your posts, than a ridiculous diatribe against republicans.

i'll tell you what, you find something specific from them that you disagree with, and post it here and tell us why they are wrong. chances are that if you disagree with them, then they are probably right. and i'll tell you where youre wrong. so go fetch boy.

edit: i guess if you take up my offer, you should exclude stuff about the war. (since i know i probably disagree with them on that) maybe stick to the economy or something domestic.

[MonkeyF0cker]

lol really no one to blame but greedy banks?? even if youre that naive to think that only the banks are responsible, it isnt that hard to follow the money back to government entities like fannie and freddie, and the government mandates that enabled them to exist.

deregulated markets? so you mean if the government interferes in the free market, and someone takes advantage of that interference, then those people are the problem and the market clearly needs government regulation to prevent people from taking advantage of the governments meddling. lol your logic is absurd.

"with the economic status of the wealthy vs. middle class and the current state of our economy that some balance must be restored."

haha so the truth comes out. its all about wealth envy. the evil rich people are wealthy because they cheated the poor man and its only fair if the government seizes their wealth to give to those less fortunate. of course less fortunate means unlucky, and after all those that are poor are so because of bad luck not because of their lack of work ethic or self responsibility.

so what exactly is "flat out socialism"?

government owned and managed backs, check
government owned and managed schools, check
government owned and managed health care facilities, check
graduated income tax, check

yeah i guess its not "flat out socialism" since people still have private property rights (for now), youre right.

The bills that enabled the subprime loan crisis were passed by a Republican Congress and a Democratic President. The banks lobby both sides of the aisle. They are the ones that got the freeroll. If you can't see that, you are blind as a bat. So yes, they are to blame. And regulation was in place to stop it. Yet deregulation is good, right? Do you know why antitrust laws were put in place? Should monopolies be allowed to gobble up every company and price fix? You can't see past your stupid partisan nose. Read a history book, for fvcks sake. The disparity of wealth is not healthy for the economy as a whole. It has NOTHING to do with envy. The only absurdity is your partisan banter. Get a clue.

[losturmarbles]

The bills that enabled the subprime loan crisis were passed by a Republican Congress and a Democratic President. The banks lobby both sides of the aisle. They are the ones that got the freeroll. If you can't see that, you are blind as a bat. So yes, they are to blame. And regulation was in place to stop it. Yet deregulation is good, right? Do you know why antitrust laws were put in place? Should monopolies be allowed to gobble up every company and price fix? You can't see past your stupid partisan nose. Read a history book, for fvcks sake. The disparity of wealth is not healthy for the economy as a whole. It has NOTHING to do with envy. The only absurdity is your partisan banter. Get a clue.

now wait, i'm being partisan?? please point me to the part of my post that is being partisan. whats absurd is you dont know the definition of partisan, yet that's your whole argument. you can save that weak retort for the elephants on this board where it may apply.

i never said banks are not to blame, YOU SAID "There is no one to blame but the greedy banks and lenders..." NO ONE? again rationalize like you want, but it all goes back to the government meddling in the market.
"regulation was in place to stop it." again, thats asinine. the government interfers with the market and causes a bubble, so now we need regulation to stop banks from taking advantage of the government interference? so basically you want the government to be able to force private companies to do the government's bidding?

if you want to have a discusion on monopolies or antitrust laws, thats one thing, but don't try to use that as a crutch for your pro-government mentality.

"The disparity of wealth is not healthy for the economy as a whole." what a classic myth, must of been something you read in your history book at your government school. but i'll tell you what is good for the economy, we'll take more money away from those that achieve, own businesses, and are wealthy (the ones that create jobs in this country). that will definitely help the economy.

the thing is even if it would help the economy to punish the weathly,

it's NOT A FCKIN ROLE OF GOVERNMENT!

[slacker00]

i never said banks are not to blame, YOU SAID "There is no one to blame but the greedy banks and lenders..." NO ONE? again rationalize like you want, but it all goes back to the government meddling in the market.
"regulation was in place to stop it." again, thats asinine. the government interfers with the market and causes a bubble, so now we need regulation to stop banks from taking advantage of the government interference? so basically you want the government to be able to force private companies to do the government's bidding?

There's a difference between good regulation & bad regulation.

I won't comment on whether the banks are greedy or not, it's almost a nonsense question. I will claim that the banks were stupid putting that much risk on their books. They bankrupted themselves. Bankruptcy is a terrible way to define greed.

Government should have some kind of system in place to allow banks to fail gracefully rather than pulling down the entire economy.

[therber2]

what is this bizarre obsession with a radio personality

if people did not agree with them they would not listen and change the channel

Smartest thing you've said, Wtf. Ryan, quit pulling your BS party affiliation cards. I don't even know why you do it.

[ryanXL977]

when the leader of your political party is a radio personality, you have problems
thats why the gop is dead. all they have is one idea: tax cuts. thats it. not sure who will pay for their made up wars with no taxes though....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19517.html

just incredible that the chairman of the gop is apologizing to a radio man who has never run or been elected
fringe party, the gop has become

[andywend]

they drive gop policy, so yes, they are
and the problem is, thats only a sliver of the republican party. so they are letting 13-15 million people determine political policy and thats why they lose elections. because this is not a far right country and those far right policies have been disproved over the last 8 years.

so letting radio talk show hosts, who dont run for political office, determine how an entire political party runs and what platforms it uses, is unwise. Limbaugh and Hannity have never risked anything in their lives, they are talk show hosts, they dont know how difficult it is to win elected office, or how hard it is to make laws that work for a country, and yet they have been as responsible as anyone for where we are at right now. The question is, who is behind them? who is paying them? is it simply a ratings game or is there someone behind them who is pushing their views?

Ryan, while blacks and hispanics outbreed all other races by a wide margin, for the time being the United States of America is still a "far right country".

The reason why the republicans got their heads handed to them in the 2006/2008 elections is because they no longer act like conservatives and lost the core of their support base.

If the GOP is willing to move back to the far right, they will regain their power once again as the U.S. is certainly NOT a Barack Obama "far left" country.

By the way, how about them Bulls coming back from a 17 point deficit and beating Houston Saturday night. It sure was a great result for me:

Feb 28 12:32pmBasketball - Winner330.00 to win 300.00300.00
1. Basketball - Chicago Bulls - moneyline (-110)
for the entire game held on Feb 28 at 8:35pm [winner]
Feb 28 12:40pmBasketball - Winner110.00 to win 100.00100.00
1. Basketball - Chicago Bulls - moneyline (-110)
for the entire game held on Feb 28 at 8:35pm [winner]

How did you make out on that game, LOL.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

when the leader of your political party is a radio personality, you have problems
thats why the gop is dead. all they have is one idea: tax cuts. thats it. not sure who will pay for their made up wars with no taxes though....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19517.html

just incredible that the chairman of the gop is apologizing to a radio man who has never run or been elected
fringe party, the gop has become

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.....Or Not!, Get a grip u stupid republican loving shmucks. Bush started a war that i have lost multiple friends in with false allegations. His dumb ass actions are the reason that Barack was elected to begin with. So go to ur stupid conferences and listen to your dumb oxy fiend spokesman, and remember 1 thing, your not in power anymore so learn to love this country or leave it. I dealt with Bush's cocaine sniffing ass for 8 years you better believe that I will give Obama a fair chance at digging us out of Bush's mess. The fact that he is goig to try to reduce the deficit 50% given what Bush did with his limitless spending should alone be a reason to support him for now. I sometimes forget though how naive people are when it comes to their children or neices or nephews having a chance at a good future, but I forget that some of you, if not most of you are self loathing pricks.

[Dark Horse]

Nice.

It's so obvious, but a large section of the population is brainwashed beyond any chance of ever awakening from the coma. I was wondering how long it would take them to blame the crisis on Obama, but I believe that the first of these jokers have already gone there... after his first month in office. Hilarious.

I agree that, in most cases, they are incapable of 'thinking out' an opinion, and instead are swept up into 'their' opinion by a radio personality or other crowd controller. This is the way of propaganda. (this is why they always seem to agree on everything...) 'Don't think. Belief'.

[obama our lord]

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.....Or Not!, Get a grip u stupid republican loving shmucks. Bush started a war that i have lost multiple friends in with false allegations. His dumb ass actions are the reason that Barack was elected to begin with so go to ur stupid conferences and listen to your dumb oxy fiend spokesman, and remember 1 thing, your not in power anymore so learn to love this country or leave it. I dealt with Bush's cocaine sniffing ass for 8 years you better believe that I will give Obama a fair chance at digging us out of Bush's mess. The fact that he is goig to try to reduce the deficit 50% given what Bush did with his limitless spending should alone be a reason to support him for now. I sometimes forget though how naive people are when it omes to their children or neices or nephews having a chance at a good future, but I forget that some of you if not most of you are self loathing pricks.

Really nice semi-coherent rant. But why the belligerence? Now that you have the Marxist dictatorship you wished for, shouldn't you be blissful?

Are you unhappy that Hussein is essentially continuing Bush's Iraq policy? That Guantanamo was found to be within Geneva rules? That Hussein will be continuing Bush's domestic surveillance policies?

[MonkeyF0cker]

now wait, i'm being partisan?? please point me to the part of my post that is being partisan. whats absurd is you dont know the definition of partisan, yet that's your whole argument. you can save that weak retort for the elephants on this board where it may apply.

i never said banks are not to blame, YOU SAID "There is no one to blame but the greedy banks and lenders..." NO ONE? again rationalize like you want, but it all goes back to the government meddling in the market.
"regulation was in place to stop it." again, thats asinine. the government interfers with the market and causes a bubble, so now we need regulation to stop banks from taking advantage of the government interference? so basically you want the government to be able to force private companies to do the government's bidding?

if you want to have a discusion on monopolies or antitrust laws, thats one thing, but don't try to use that as a crutch for your pro-government mentality.

"The disparity of wealth is not healthy for the economy as a whole." what a classic myth, must of been something you read in your history book at your government school. but i'll tell you what is good for the economy, we'll take more money away from those that achieve, own businesses, and are wealthy (the ones that create jobs in this country). that will definitely help the economy.

the thing is even if it would help the economy to punish the weathly,

it's NOT A FCKIN ROLE OF GOVERNMENT!

What exactly isn't the role of government? Taxes? The welfare of our economy? The only myth about higher taxes on the rich is that it stumps achievement. Show me one person that has said, "Gee, I really wanna be rich but I'd rather just work at McDonalds cuz I don't wanna pay all those taxes!" If you can't comprehend that our politicians are sold out to the highest bidder, then I'm afraid you are hopeless. And you're right, I don't know firsthand what partisan is. You are certainly the expert in that respect.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

Do you not know that Hussein is dead... you can u tube his hanging if you like. Or did you hear he is still alive on Fox news? In that case it must be true.....

[obama our lord]

The only myth about higher taxes on the rich is that it stumps achievement.

http://outtheotherear.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/reaping-what-you-sow/

Perhaps you can let this guy know all about these myths:

Reaping what you sow:

I work for a small, 5-year old non-profit arts organization in Illinois. A couple of our usual big donors have indicated we should be prepared for smaller donations this year, and possibly none in the next couple of years. The are mentioning Obama’s tax plans and their need to save money now in anticipation of that. A lot of my colleagues in the not-for-profit world are really scared right now, and we are not happy with Obama. We hear the rhetoric that the government is going to have a reserve to give to non-profits that will make up for some of the lost donations, but the fact is, we have never received federal aid, and likely never would (assuming the organization could even make it that far). Organizations are going to be killed under Obama’s plan. I may have voted myself out of a job, and voted a whole community of kids out of art-making opportunities. Frankly, this sucks.

[Dark Horse]

BBD, I have you on ignore. If I want asylum sounds I'll be sure to let you know before googling them.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

1. Your an idiot for not knowing Husseinis dead. 2. In any recession non-profits are going to suffer. That is life. If Bush or even your hero Rush were in officee, non-profits would still suffer during this recession. The fact that you blame a recession that started when Bush was in office on a President who literally has been in office less than 6 weeks is just stupid and I cannot take anything else you say seriously. Maybe hit up your boy Limbaugh and tell him to donate the money he spends on pills to your buddys charity. Problem solved. See how far that gets you then respond.

[obama our lord]

1. Your an idiot for not knowing Husseinis dead. 2. In any recession non-profits are going to suffer. That is life. If Bush or even your hero Rush were in officee, non-profits would still suffer during this recession. The fact that you blame a recession that started when Bush was in office on a President who literally has been in office less than 6 weeks is just stupid and I cannot take anything else you say seriously. Maybe hit up your boy Limbaugh and tell him to donate the money he spends on pills to your buddys charity. Problem solved. See how far that gets you then respond.

YOUR an idiot (snicker). Irony anyone? And Barry HUSSEIN Soetoro is your President, comrade.

And the rich taxpayers aren't reacting to just a recession, they are reacting to the fact that Hussein is planning to steal money from them.

Hussein and the Dims got their Demulus/Porkulus package forced through. This is now squarely the Hussein economy.

[MonkeyF0cker]

again rationalize like you want, but it all goes back to the government meddling in the market.
"regulation was in place to stop it." again, thats asinine. the government interfers with the market and causes a bubble, so now we need regulation to stop banks from taking advantage of the government interference? so basically you want the government to be able to force private companies to do the government's bidding?

if you want to have a discusion on monopolies or antitrust laws, thats one thing, but don't try to use that as a crutch for your pro-government mentality.

Obviously, you have no clue how this situation came about. It's difficult to argue against ignorance. So please educate yourself on the Glass-Steagall Act and the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999. To summarize, the Glass-Steagall Act had put REGULATIONS in place which prevented banks from controlling other financial institutions. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 REPEALED THOSE REGULATIONS. The bill was introduced by two Republicans, Phil Gramm in the Senate and Jim Leach in the House. The final bill was passed by a Republican majority on a bipartisan vote of 90-8 and 362-57 and was signed by a Democratic President named Bill Clinton. This enabled banks like Citigroup to establish SIV's that purchased mortgage-backed securities. Prior to this bill, subprime loans accounted for approximately 5% of all mortgages. In 2005, they accounted for over 30%. So again, please tell me how government regulation is so awful.

[durito]

How you doing pizza boy?

[ijustwant2bpaid]

I love how you phrased it, the raising of ones taxes="And the rich taxpayers aren't reacting to just a recession, they are reacting to the fact that Hussein is planning to steal money from them." u and these rich taxpayers qualify as the self loathing pricks I speak of. And that is President Hussein to you buddy.....
or get the f out!

p.s. I think that Nixon put it best in his interview with Frost..."When the President does it, that means it is not illegal."

[ijustwant2bpaid]

If its not gay boy in the flesh...nice avatar!

[MonkeyF0cker]

YOUR an idiot (snicker). Irony anyone? And Barry HUSSEIN Soetoro is your President, comrade.

And the rich taxpayers aren't reacting to just a recession, they are reacting to the fact that Hussein is planning to steal money from them.

Hussein and the Dims got their Demulus/Porkulus package forced through. This is now squarely the Hussein economy.

I'm afraid it's going to take quite a bit longer for the effects of those policies to be realized. Bickering about which party is to blame for this mess is the real ignorance of it all.

[durito]

If its not gay boy in the flesh...nice avatar!

Who the hell are you?

[obama our lord]

I'm afraid it's going to take quite a bit longer for the effects of those policies to be realized. Bickering about which party is to blame for this mess is the real ignorance of it all.

Funny, when the economy officially went into recession at this time into the Bush Presidency, it was squarely Bush's fault.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

I like your objective opinions Monkey.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

Funny, when the economy officially went into recession at this time into the Bush Presidency, it was squarely Bush's fault.

You said it!

[MonkeyF0cker]

Funny, when the economy officially went into recession at this time into the Bush Presidency, it was squarely Bush's fault.

Well, I'd have to say that things such as him authoring budgets that pushed a budget surplus into a record national debt didn't help all that much.

[obama our lord]

You said it!

I'll just file this under the category of "why bother."

[slacker00]

I'll just file this under the category of "why bother."

That would've been a good title for this thread.

[andywend]

Sometimes you can tell a lot about a person from the alias they choose when posting on this forum.

For example, Ijustwant2bepaid:

It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that a guy who would choose that name is a socialist democrat who favors taxing the rich as much as possible in hopes that a few free crumbs might fall his way.

It doesn't matter who controls the White House or congress, people like him will always be TOTAL FAILURES who will accumulate nothing over their pathetic lifetimes.