There is no such thing "Responsible Gambling"! It's a myth!

[dontknowhowtobet]

I'm sensing a lack of maturity with dontknowhowtobet.

If a bettor is putting all his hopes and dreams on a bet, he didn't learn money management like you assert and likely has much more to learn. To stay with your analogy, we're not even talking to drunk drivers here, we're talking about teaching them to not get intoxicated.

For those with a problem, like dontknow, this is likely not possible or clearly ill-advised.

Be aware dontknow that you represent a lot of folks; but know that while definitions vary, most of the people in the world who drink alcohol are not afflicted with alcoholism, just like most of the people in the world who gamble are not afflicted with dontknow's disease.

As I said 1 post above (assuming no one has posted above me while I write this) I've never implied that ALL GAMBLERS have serious problems ... I was clearly explaining people should be aware with what they're dealing with.

Whilst you believe I "represent a lot of folks" you said "most of the people in the world are not afflicted with gambling problems" ... well - most people in the world are not gamblers. The Vampire Diaries (TV Show) in Facebook got over 20,000,000 likes - show me a bookmaker with 1 million likes?! You won't find any. Why? Because most people don't give a crap about gambling.

But those who go into it are in risk.
The bookmaker or casino is telling them to gamble responsibly.
I call it a bluff, I call being a hypocrite!!!

It's like me serving you alcohol for free and encourage you to drive afterwards.
Does it mean you are definitely going to have an accident? No, and I hope not!

But it just means you're dealing with a nasty type of entertainment ... the one who allows you to play in his establishment is not doing it because he's being nice to you! So if I was you and that person had all the intentions in the world to harm me I would just stay away. It's like asking me to bet at 5Dimes... why would I do that?
I've seen some complaints in this forum (and other forums) about Tony from 5Dimes and I saw the type of language he uses with bettors ... so whilst he seems to be honest about his business, the type of language and the way he treated some customers doesn't reflect an educated helpful person ... on the contrary! When issues occur this is the time where people take off the mask and start showing their real face ... same with divorce unfortunately ... but at the moment a couple breaks up completely you can see the real face behind them and see what their intentions are.

So same thing with bookmakers, it could be Tony from 5Dimes or others ... I call them hypocrites, that's the purpose of my thread ... they tell you to "gamble responsibly" but they build addicted machines to make you stay and gamble as long as you can and as much as you can - and then people like the OP come into this forum and ask "why I can't gamble responsibly? why am I losing?" - and they don't realize they lose not because they had bad "technique" - they lost because that's how it all designed ... to make you lose and to take as much money as possible from you!

[teachervido]

As I said 1 post above (assuming no one has posted above me while I write this) I've never implied that ALL GAMBLERS have serious problems ... I was clearly explaining people should be aware with what they're dealing with.

Whilst you believe I "represent a lot of folks" you said "most of the people in the world are not afflicted with gambling problems" ... well - most people in the world are not gamblers. The Vampire Diaries (TV Show) in Facebook got over 20,000,000 likes - show me a bookmaker with 1 million likes?! You won't find any. Why? Because most people don't give a crap about gambling.

But those who go into it are in risk.
The bookmaker or casino is telling them to gamble responsibly.
I call it a bluff, I call being a hypocrite!!!

It's like me serving you alcohol for free and encourage you to drive afterwards.
Does it mean you are definitely going to have an accident? No, and I hope not!

But it just means you're dealing with a nasty type of entertainment ... the one who allows you to play in his establishment is not doing it because he's being nice to you! So if I was you and that person had all the intentions in the world to harm me I would just stay away. It's like asking me to bet at 5Dimes... why would I do that?
I've seen some complaints in this forum (and other forums) about Tony from 5Dimes and I saw the type of language he uses with bettors ... so whilst he seems to be honest about his business, the type of language and the way he treated some customers doesn't reflect an educated helpful person ... on the contrary! When issues occur this is the time where people take off the mask and start showing their real face ... same with divorce unfortunately ... but at the moment a couple breaks up completely you can see the real face behind them and see what their intentions are.

So same thing with bookmakers, it could be Tony from 5Dimes or others ... I call them hypocrites, that's the purpose of my thread ... they tell you to "gamble responsibly" but they build addicted machines to make you stay and gamble as long as you can and as much as you can - and then people like the OP come into this forum and ask "why I can't gamble responsibly? why am I losing?" - and they don't realize they lose not because they had bad "technique" - they lost because that's how it all designed ... to make you lose and to take as much money as possible from you!

[dontknowhowtobet]

You're still not making any sense. If I dont chase and go all in then I am gambling responsibly. Yes, some people are unable to gamble responsibly, but that doesn't make it a myth. Again, you're projecting your own issues onto other people. There are plenty of people who bet responsibly.

A friend of mine buys 2-3 lottery tickets every week, never less, never more - he gambles "responsibly" but he's still hooked up with it!
You might spend $100 per month - so you're gambling responsibly!

I don't know how much you're really spending on gambling but I can tell you if you're risking over $100/week on 1 game then you need to have a good salary to write it off, because it never ends with just $100/week, it's just impossible you never "chased" it at least a couple of times.

I don't say all 100% of gamblers are in high risk ... they're all whatsoever in some sort of risk ... but for some it can be a small risk, and for some it can be high risk. This friend of mine when the jackpot is so high would definitely buy over 3 lottery tickets ... and it's okay ... but it shows you how the establishment preys on its people ...

You also might have a budget of $100/week but I'm sure once or twice at least you chased some of your losses ... you just happened not to get hit so hard from it, and you might be in a winning streak right now ... it still doesn't change the fact gambling is something you can know how it started but it can be unexplained how you ended with certain results.

Again this is not implying all 100% of gamblers are going to lose their life savings ... but it's implying 100% of them are in a risk ... and it's implying the owners of the establishments are not credible when they tell you to "gamble responsibly", they're being hypocrites!

[MickeyMan]

Jesus, give it a rest man.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Wow, if I made someone who joined this forum over 2 years ago with 32 posts to post here in my thread then I definitely feel like this guy in the photo.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Jesus, give it a rest man.

Okay ... I'm just replying to people with my perspective ... everyone is welcome to say what he thinks ... I believe it's a good discussion (been now over 6 pages).

[Jayvegas420]

Wow, if I made someone who joined this forum over 2 years ago with 32 posts to post here in my thread then I definitely feel like this guy in the photo.

Your folks would be so proud of you today!

[Ghenghis Kahn]

for a guy that quit, he spends more time thinking about gambling than anyone at sbr.

just pathetic...

[dontknowhowtobet]

for a guy that quit, he spends more time thinking about gambling than anyone at sbr.

just pathetic...

I would disagree, as I like to share thoughts with others.
There is a guy named JamesPT in Gamcare, he has been gambling free for 20 years but he is still in the forum telling others what he gone through, and quite repeatedly tell his story there. Is he doing the wrong thing? I don't think.

What you're recovering from is not the forum, it's gambling itself.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

you know who you remind me of?

you remind me of born-again christians in hollywood blvd holding up "jesus loves you" signs with megaphones yelling, "you're all going to hell!!!!"

do you praise what they do? cause that is what you're doing at sbr...

[ItsMeMrMattE]

i think you might be addicted to posting on forums dontknowhowtobet. sure it seems fun and harmless at first. you think i'll just start a little thread. check it every once in awhile, when i don't have anything else to do. but before you know it. you're 7 pages deep. haven't gone to work in days. and are constantly chasing responses in hopes of finding validation in your life. just stop now. you will save yourself so much time in the long run and be much happier. you might think, well i can get better. i'll just start doing it in moderation. that's impossible tho. places like this are designed to keep you posting and posting and posting until your life is completed ruined. trust me, i know everything.

[dontknowhowtobet]

you know who you remind me of?

you remind me of born-again christians in hollywood blvd holding up "jesus loves you" signs with megaphones yelling, "you're all going to hell!!!!"

do you praise what they do? cause that is what you're doing at sbr...

That's fine.
Not everyone sees things the way I personally see them, but I'm sure almost everyone had many thoughts of "why I can't get through this" and they should know it's not their techniques that was wrong - it's this entire activity of gambling that made them lose money.

[dontknowhowtobet]

i think you might be addicted to posting on forums dontknowhowtobet. sure it seems fun and harmless at first. you think i'll just start a little thread. check it every once in awhile, when i don't have anything else to do. but before you know it. you're 7 pages deep. haven't gone to work in days. and are constantly chasing responses in hopes of finding validation in your life. just stop now. you will save yourself so much time in the long run and be much happier. you might think, well i can get better. i'll just start doing it in moderation. that's impossible tho. places like this are designed to keep you posting and posting and posting until your life is completed ruined. trust me, i know everything.

lol

The time I dedicated to posting in this forum has been less than 1 hour per day.
I'm doing fine with it ... most of my day is not being spent in this forum, you can check how often I'm active here and see it's far far away from being here on a daily basis.

[KVB]

Whilst you believe I "represent a lot of folks" you said "most of the people in the world are not afflicted with gambling problems" ...

I did not write this, this is not what I said.

This was a good discussion until you misrepresented my words and proceeded to blame the industry and Tony for gambling problems.

Yes it's a nasty form of entertainment, yes the system is designed to make one lose and all players are at risk.

Yes the casino plays into human psychology for profit, but so do grocery and department stores. We must rise above those silly games.

But risk in any financial marketplace can be mitigated by knowledge. Knowledge offsets much of the risk.

Your knowledge is valuable but an incomplete answer. I’m not losing sleep over it; but I do wonder, your insurmountable behavior problems aside, what would happen if you had dedicated your energy to educating yourself and teaching others how to successfully navigate the sports betting marketplace, instead of preaching only a portion of that body of knowledge with the route you’ve chosen.

Don’t get me wrong, the route you chose was certainly right for you. But others should know that for the mature, intelligent, creative, disciplined and teachable population, sport betting represents a financial market place that most certainly can be rewarding.

It’s like telling shoppers not to buy milk because they have to navigate the candy and impulse displays to get to the back of the store. Better just to explain the reality of the store layout, what it can do to them, and then let them get their milk.

[jjgold]

DontKnow If I fund one of your accounts would you start gambling again???

Do you bet with points??

[DrStale]

A friend of mine buys 2-3 lottery tickets every week, never less, never more - he gambles "responsibly" but he's still hooked up with it!
You might spend $100 per month - so you're gambling responsibly!

I don't know how much you're really spending on gambling but I can tell you if you're risking over $100/week on 1 game then you need to have a good salary to write it off, because it never ends with just $100/week, it's just impossible you never "chased" it at least a couple of times.

I don't say all 100% of gamblers are in high risk ... they're all whatsoever in some sort of risk ... but for some it can be a small risk, and for some it can be high risk. This friend of mine when the jackpot is so high would definitely buy over 3 lottery tickets ... and it's okay ... but it shows you how the establishment preys on its people ...

You also might have a budget of $100/week but I'm sure once or twice at least you chased some of your losses ... you just happened not to get hit so hard from it, and you might be in a winning streak right now ... it still doesn't change the fact gambling is something you can know how it started but it can be unexplained how you ended with certain results.

Again this is not implying all 100% of gamblers are going to lose their life savings ... but it's implying 100% of them are in a risk ... and it's implying the owners of the establishments are not credible when they tell you to "gamble responsibly", they're being hypocrites!

Yeah, ive bet more than I intended a few times. Just like people who like to go shopping spend more than they intended a few times. Did I bet more than I could afford to lose? No. Did I put myself in a dangerous financial situation? No. I know what my limits are and I keep myself in check. If your friend who buys lottery tickets isn't putting himself in financial danger and he gets uplifted by the possibility of a lottery win that makes his day better then whats the harm?

I could care less about the owners of the offshore books. I know that I can gamble responsibly. What they're doing is no different than soda, tobacco, or alcohol companies. Anyone can abuse any of these things, that doesn't mean responsible use of them is a myth.

[KVB]

DontKnow If I fund one of your accounts would you start gambling again???

Do you bet with points??

This shift JJ is just plain evil. Don't do it dontknow...run. Ask a moderator if you can self exclude yourself from SBR.

[gauchojake]

DontKnow If I fund one of your accounts would you start gambling again???

Do you bet with points??

Poty

[Vegas39]

DontKnow If I fund one of your accounts would you start gambling again???

Do you bet with points??

JJ must sit outside AA meetings drinking a beer

[dontknowhowtobet]

what would happen if you had dedicated your energy to educating yourself and teaching others how to successfully navigate the sports betting marketplace, instead of preaching only a portion of that body of knowledge with the route you’ve chosen.

Your question is not hypothetical, it's an actual question.
I have tried to dedicate myself to what you mentioned, so it's not a question of IF, it's an actual fact.

You can't dedicate yourself to bet and "learn" how to navigate through gambling.
It's just purely bullshit!

Tell me something,
In the last NBA Finals, so many gamblers were sure Miami would give the Spurs a fight, some were so sure of their bet on Miami, they kept on betting on Miami and LeBron James even when they were down ... What was there to learn exactly? What is there to learn? Do you learn that Miami is beatable? Is that a guarantee? Is that a fact?

Ask yourself those questions, and you would realize there is no such thing as "learn how to gamble". You can try to learn some "money management" ideas but what is it good for if you're trying to analyze a random outcome?!

[dontknowhowtobet]

DontKnow If I fund one of your accounts would you start gambling again???

Do you bet with points??

I will give you an honest answer.
I don't have any account you can fund right now, I'm self-excluded from almost every single bookmaker I know of, however if you find one account that you can fund for me, I would simply withdraw the funds and donate them to a charity organization.

[KVB]

Tell me something,
In the last NBA Finals, so many gamblers were sure Miami would give the Spurs a fight, some were so sure of their bet on Miami, they kept on betting on Miami and LeBron James even when they were down ... What was there to learn exactly? What is there to learn? Do you learn that Miami is beatable? Is that a guarantee? Is that a fact?

Ask yourself those questions, and you would realize there is no such thing as "learn how to gamble". You can try to learn some "money management" ideas but what is it good for if you're trying to analyze a random outcome?!

It's pretty clear you do not have the intellectual capacity to address these issues. Your question offers no hint on WHY the bettor chose his bet, or WHY the bettor continued to bet that way. You don't even see the need for that type of info. If you can't honestly address this, then, I agree, how can one learn from the mistakes?
Seems elementary, and I'm going to stop short of calling you an idiot.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Yeah, ive bet more than I intended a few times. Just like people who like to go shopping spend more than they intended a few times. Did I bet more than I could afford to lose? No. Did I put myself in a dangerous financial situation? No. I know what my limits are and I keep myself in check. If your friend who buys lottery tickets isn't putting himself in financial danger and he gets uplifted by the possibility of a lottery win that makes his day better then whats the harm?

I could care less about the owners of the offshore books. I know that I can gamble responsibly. What they're doing is no different than soda, tobacco, or alcohol companies. Anyone can abuse any of these things, that doesn't mean responsible use of them is a myth.

Just as I accept that you're different than me and that's fine, you need to accept that many others can be like me or can be like you or in between ... and people can change and there is no one way to define everything.

On the same time "shopping addiction" is not a major problem that at least I'm aware of ... some girls are addicted to buying lots of shoes, but how much does it affect their lives? how many people do you know who ruined their lives because of "shopping addiction"?

Gambling has proven itself to be a destructive form of entertainment for millions of people, and that's a fact.
So you can't compare the intentions of a grocery store against the ones of a bookmaker.

But I do agree tobacco companies who create cigarettes are no different, and they do kill people as well... but leave the grocery industry out of it ... selling fruits & vegetables or even clothes is fine ... if anyone wants to buy lots of it I'm sure he won't kill himself because of it ... except for very rare cases of idiots who can't control their finances ... but they probably reflect a tiny percentage of the population whilst with gambling you see many more people affected by it.

[dontknowhowtobet]

This shift JJ is just plain evil. Don't do it dontknow...run. Ask a moderator if you can self exclude yourself from SBR.

I'm okay without exclusion, thank you for the offer.

[dontknowhowtobet]

It's pretty clear you do not have the intellectual capacity to address these issues. Your question offers no hint on WHY the bettor chose his bet, or WHY the bettor continued to bet that way. You don't even see the need for that type of info. If you can't honestly address this, then, I agree, how can one learn from the mistakes?
Seems elementary, and I'm going to stop short of calling you an idiot.

Why the bettor chose this bet? Because of LeBron James, because of Miami's record, because they won the championship last year? You need more reasons?

People chose Denver against Seattle in the Super Bowl for many reasons, including their excellent quarterback and so forth ... would anyone guess it would end up like this?

Could you know in advance Germany would beat Brazil 7-0? Would you have it signed on paper against $100 and if that's the correct score you would get $10,000 ?

Nobody knows how things will end when it comes to random outcomes.
You insist that gambling can make sense - I'm telling you it doesn't.

Whilst I do agree with the other poster, DrStale, that not everyone is affected in a bad way from gambling (which is fine) - you are on the other hand trying to make sense out of gambling ... gambling doesn't make any sense!

Yes, you might guess some games correctly, but that is because it's the nature of the game ... a guy who would always bet BLACK in Roulette would also predict the outcome correctly at least several times ... what you don't realize is the further you do it the smaller your bankroll would become ... not in the short term but in the long term.

You bet and you only get if you win 90% of your stakes ... that's a recipe for destruction, 100%.

[KVB]

I’ll humor the Forum one more time. While I could address every line of that post I think we can sum it all up in the first line.

Why the bettor chose this bet? Because of LeBron James, because of Miami's record, because they won the championship last year? You need more reasons?

Simply put, no winning bettor would place any bet based on the reasons you just listed. There is an exception for the highly esoteric, but they’d be using that information in a way that is well beyond the scope of your imagination.

By the way, I had both the Spurs and the Seahawks.

I get your message. It’s a very simple, commonly known message. It’s just one of the many reasons the sports betting marketplace isn’t as socially acceptable as other markets, like equities.

But sir, see my perspective. If this were the education system, you’d be in preschool right now and I’d be a teacher with an advanced degree. I know you just learned your letters and numbers, and I know it feels good, it’s exciting, but believe it or not letters make words. And words can make sentences. Just wait till you see what sentences can do...by then you’ll only be in 1^st grade.

My point is, dontknow, is that you don’t know what you don’t know and can’t even see there is something you don’t know.

[gauchojake]

He doesn't know how to bet (name says it all). No point in engaging him. He knows how to lose and be a degenerate fukk who gets on his soapbox to tell everybody else how they're doing it wrong. Here's a fact fuckstick, we don't all end up draining our bank accounts and committing fraud chasing that high. Most people can enjoy gambling responsibly. Sorry you're not one of us. Now get lost.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Now get lost.

You're a gauche and a joke.

[lupe]

i have inside info on many sports/games. would you fund your account if i could guarantee 60% winners?

[jjgold]

I will give you an honest answer.
I don't have any account you can fund right now, I'm self-excluded from almost every single bookmaker I know of, however if you find one account that you can fund for me, I would simply withdraw the funds and donate them to a charity organization.

classic

I think your motivating more people to gamble now

[MickeyMan]

Your question is not hypothetical, it's an actual question.
I have tried to dedicate myself to what you mentioned, so it's not a question of IF, it's an actual fact.

You can't dedicate yourself to bet and "learn" how to navigate through gambling.
It's just purely bullshit!

Tell me something,
In the last NBA Finals, so many gamblers were sure Miami would give the Spurs a fight, some were so sure of their bet on Miami, they kept on betting on Miami and LeBron James even when they were down ... What was there to learn exactly? What is there to learn? Do you learn that Miami is beatable? Is that a guarantee? Is that a fact?

Ask yourself those questions, and you would realize there is no such thing as "learn how to gamble". You can try to learn some "money management" ideas but what is it good for if you're trying to analyze a random outcome?!

Wow no wonder you lost all your money.

[AribaAriba]

Nobody wins long term and everyone is bound to lose and that is a fact. You might win one season and the next but you will give it all back, add to that is the time and energy you spend on capping or any type of bullshit before betting. The adrenaline of winning that secretes dopa mine in your brain is what makes it so addicting.

[tb1984]

I’ll humor the Forum one more time. While I could address every line of that post I think we can sum it all up in the first line.



Simply put, no winning bettor would place any bet based on the reasons you just listed. There is an exception for the highly esoteric, but they’d be using that information in a way that is well beyond the scope of your imagination.

By the way, I had both the Spurs and the Seahawks.

I get your message. It’s a very simple, commonly known message. It’s just one of the many reasons the sports betting marketplace isn’t as socially acceptable as other markets, like equities.

But sir, see my perspective. If this were the education system, you’d be in preschool right now and I’d be a teacher with an advanced degree. I know you just learned your letters and numbers, and I know it feels good, it’s exciting, but believe it or not letters make words. And words can make sentences. Just wait till you see what sentences can do...by then you’ll only be in 1^st grade.

My point is, dontknow, is that you don’t know what you don’t know and can’t even see there is something you don’t know.

Tell you what your posts in thread just look down on people.

You are a winner, that's fine just keep doing what you're doing. Winners in this industry always want losers to come in to feed them.

But, don't ever encourage people to gamble, just believe in karma.

I don't care whether you are religious, and I don't care about what you've been saying in this thread, but gambling is a bad thing.

[gauchojake]

Capers gonna cape

[StackinGreen]

But im sure you do waste money on something. Some people like to shop, some like to travel, some spend money on hobbies or collections. We all have different interests. I spend some money on gambling because it's fun and hey maybe win some money from time to time. I bet within my means and I don't have a problem with it.

Now just like nobody is telling you what to do with your money please stop telling people what they should do with theirs.

Just started reading this thread -- holy sweeping generalizations, Batman.

Bravo, boys, bravo.