There is no such thing "Responsible Gambling"! It's a myth!

[dontknowhowtobet]

You're peddling your anti-gambling stuff like a religion. We don't want to hear it pal. You gambled you lost, no need to come here like a converted christian changing people's ways.

Once again you talk with "we" ... Here are some facts and not fictions:

1) I am not Christian.
2) In this thread there are some other members who agree with me, for instance one who says this topic should be sticky.
3) Nevertheless I don't speak on behalf of this member and myself as "we", I treat each person's opinion fairly as his own.
4) I'm puzzled why you find my thread so annoying ... don't you know the meaning of leaving the thread if you don't like it? This forum doesn't concentrate on this thread and if you weren't bumping it it wasn't in the top of the Players Talk page at all.
5) FACT - some of the opinions made by other people here disagree with you:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-gambling-bad-for-society-and-should-it-be-made-unlawful

6) FACT - when you say "we" you do not represent the entire community.

Now those are facts, and they don't support any of your claims, beat it.

[tommygun]

Once again you talk with "we" ... Here are some facts and not fictions:

1) I am not Christian.
2) In this thread there are some other members who agree with me, for instance one who says this topic should be sticky.
3) Nevertheless I don't speak on behalf of this member and myself as "we", I treat each person's opinion fairly as his own.
4) I'm puzzled why you find my thread so annoying ... don't you know the meaning of leaving the thread if you don't like it? This forum doesn't concentrate on this thread and if you weren't bumping it it wasn't in the top of the Players Talk page at all.
5) FACT - some of the opinions made by other people here disagree with you:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-gambling-bad-for-society-and-should-it-be-made-unlawful

6) FACT - when you say "we" you do not represent the entire community.

Now those are facts, and they don't support any of your claims, beat it.

Beat it pal. I never said you were a Christian, I said you were like one of those people ramming religion down people's throats etc.
Go lose another $50,000.

[tommygun]

Once again you talk with "we" ... Here are some facts and not fictions:

1) I am not Christian.
2) In this thread there are some other members who agree with me, for instance one who says this topic should be sticky.
3) Nevertheless I don't speak on behalf of this member and myself as "we", I treat each person's opinion fairly as his own.
4) I'm puzzled why you find my thread so annoying ... don't you know the meaning of leaving the thread if you don't like it? This forum doesn't concentrate on this thread and if you weren't bumping it it wasn't in the top of the Players Talk page at all.
5) FACT - some of the opinions made by other people here disagree with you:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-gambling-bad-for-society-and-should-it-be-made-unlawful

6) FACT - when you say "we" you do not represent the entire community.

Now those are facts, and they don't support any of your claims, beat it.

you do realise everyone here is taking the piss out of you right?

[dontknowhowtobet]

you do realise everyone here is taking the piss out of you right?

No, I don't.
You have an issue dude.
You like to talk on behalf of others and not on behalf of yourself.

I'm sure lots of good people you're not aware of found the thread useful. That's a fact.
You don't represent the entire community, whether you like it or not.

See this?



You're either in A, B, C, D or F ... you don't represent the E(Entire) community.

[dontknowhowtobet]

I am still sick of this loss this guy had:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/2788722-14-600-denver.html

Threw away almost $15,000 AUD on the Superbowl last night ... that's sickening.

[tommygun]

I am still sick of this loss this guy had:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/2788722-14-600-denver.html

Threw away almost $15,000 AUD on the Superbowl last night ... that's sickening.

stfu

[boeing power]

Tommy fuking burying this donthaveaclue guy.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Tommy fuking burying this donthaveaclue guy.

I feel so buried I can't help it ...

[tommygun]

I feel so buried I can't help it ...

$50,000 must make you feel very buried I would imagine

[dontknowhowtobet]

$50,000 must make you feel very buried I would imagine

I was being cynical.

[jjgold]

I am buried

This kid was right

cannot stop without treatment

[Squidder]

Why bash a guy for this? Dontknowhowtobet hope everything works out for you. Thanks for your time trying to help others.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Why bash a guy for this? Dontknowhowtobet hope everything works out for you. Thanks for your time trying to help others.

Thank you Squidder.

[dontknowhowtobet]

I used to be a Moneybookers (Skrill) customer, in fact I still have an account with them, but I just don't use it that often.

A few months ago my account was on "Gold VIP" status and that account provided me with free and fast deposits & withdrawals, and every once in a while I redeemed 12,500 points to 25 Euros into my Moneybookers account.

Looking backwards, this "25 Euros" reward is honestly not worth it. With the amount I used to be every fraction of change in the odds was much more than 25 Euros. Even if you bet 1000 pounds to win only 10 (odds of 1.01) you have to do this back & forth, depositing & withdrawing, at least 13 times ... and the risk is much greater than the reward, not to mention the thoughts and your mind being busy with such things ... trust me, you would end up losing these 1000 pounds quicker than you imagined.

But anyway, the reason I mention this is because just about 2 weeks ago my status was changed from "Gold VIP" to "Silver VIP" and now it is "Bronze VIP". Basically, I am no longer a valued customer for Moneybookers so now withdrawals cost me more than 2 pounds, and deopsits not through my bank (but through card for instance) cost more than 2 pounds with the fee, basically they quickly downgrade my account as I'm no longer using them for betting, so that's what it is ... you can never retain or keep your "Elite" status if you don't gamble ... just the speed they throw you out is not something I would have expected them to do. It takes more time to go up than to go down in those levels, but regardless of that, these kind of bonuses and "VIP" and all the rest of these details are nothing but illusion, search Google for the word 'Gamification', they might use it to lure more people to use their services but you could really make nothing out of it ... if you gamble "for fun" you might "enjoy" redeeming points for rewards with Skrill but as I said earlier, there is no such thing "gambling for fun" and the amount of money you lose in the long run can help you to buy thousands of prizes you get for these rewards you get from Moneybookers, so that is what I think about them ...

In fact, I am still using them to send money to people but I don't get points for that ... they claim to be a great website to send money to family & friends, but they don't reward you for doing that, they only do so if you use them for gambling ... so I would advise you to not expect anything from them, I won't use them for gambling again, and I am not gambling with or without them ever again from the 15th of January 2014.

[jjgold]

I say dobntknow will be back in some capacity even if small which is better

Good posting guy even though I hammer you,,i read your stuff

[dontknowhowtobet]

I say dobntknow will be back in some capacity even if small which is better

Good posting guy even though I hammer you,,i read your stuff

Thanks for reading...
I hope it would help you in the long run.

[Dirty Sanchez]

[dontknowhowtobet]

I wonder where that would categorize the gambling industry?

[5mike5]

its only a myth for those poor souls that never figure out how its done

[dontknowhowtobet]

its only a myth for those poor souls that never figure out how its done

Figure out how it's done ... you automatically lose 10% when you bet on the NBA (and even more than 10%) ... bookmakers take "vig" or "juice" or however you call it ...

You bet on Roulette - you automatically destined to lose because the house has the hedge over you.

Doing it long term would kill your bankroll.

I'm not sure how you bet and when, but most people trying to make money out of gambling fail and fail really hard, they can sunk with it so deep they have no way out.
Perhaps you bet only on Nascar, I haven't met lots of people who do that, but the vast majority of people are losers or destined to lose because they cannot beat a system that works against them 100% of the times.

[gauchojake]

Donty, get back in the game pal. Smoke can get you a free play at betlatina.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Donty, get back in the game pal. Smoke can get you a free play at betlatina.

No thanks.

[stevenash]

Hopefully that would be my last post in this forum, in regards to placing bets ... I would like to call all of you who want to stop gambling ... many of you including myself were under the impression that gambling is something fun, recreational and entertaining.

Many of you including myself, were under the impression that Gambling should be made responsibly, but that is a myth! There is no such thing a responsible gambling - it doesn't exist!

Smart people either never bet, or at worst put a 1 pound / dollar bet, and leave ... the other group of people are those who are addicted to it ... as long as you keep on gambling you are serving the exact purpose of the gambling establishment owner who will get more of your money, and it's not a question of whether it would happen or not, it's a fact.

Even if you win big time (search my post for big win of $10,000 betting on Obama to win the elections, just google my username and Obama, you would find it) ... trust me, you would lose it in the end, and I lost much more than that afterwards.

I know many of you are so much into gambling and you won't take it seriously I guess, some of you even like to make a laugh out of posts like this, and I can only pity you if that's what you intend to do in this thread, however I know my words won't fall on dead ears, and even if I manage to help a few others here, who might be non-registered users who happen to read this post, or other users who do pay attention to it ... at least I did my best here.

I encourage you to read the book of Gambling Facts and Fictions if you want to stop gambling, it does talk about the exact issues you're here, it's an excellent book for those who "love" sports betting and cannot find enough information about it on other "gamcare" websites which talk more about fruit machines and other gambling stuff you are probably not interested with and seeing those who try those as "stupid gamblers" ... trust me, we're all stupid gamblers, whether we bet on football, basketball, tennis, hockey or horse racing ...

I hope that my words and this post would serve as a good starting point for those who need it...

Wishing you goodluck winning on a daily basis, simply by not betting at all.

Well written post.

My short answer, yes, there is such a thing as responsible gambling.
If the gambling does not take food away from the table, if the gambling does not interfere with the bill payments, if the gamlimg does not create a distraction in the work place or the home, if you can answer yes to all of the above, then you are gambling responsible.

The operative word in this thread is responsible.
If you are able to account for your conduct and actions, you are responsible.
Like I said in the previous paragraph, if you can answer no to all the questions, does the gambling interfere with bill payments, work, home, etc. then you can account for your actions, therefore making you responsible.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Well written post.

My short answer, yes, there is such a thing as responsible gambling.
If the gambling does not take food away from the table, if the gambling does not interfere with the bill payments, if the gamlimg does not create a distraction in the work place or the home, if you can answer yes to all of the above, then you are gambling responsible.

The operative word in this thread is responsible.
If you are able to account for your conduct and actions, you are responsible.
Like I said in the previous paragraph, if you can answer no to all the questions, does the gambling interfere with bill payments, work, home, etc. then you can account for your actions, therefore making you responsible.

Ask a person who hasn't eaten all day long to sit down and eat only 1 pizza out of the 15 pizzas available from his table.
Can he do that?
Can he be responsible?

Most people would fail.
But
Can one person overcome the temptation?
Maybe
But the vast majority won't.

Yes, there might be only one Billy Walters, even though I did mention there is a lack of credibility about the way he started his "business".
But the vast majority of people would fail.

Ask someone to trade Forex, he might think "it's easy" and so forth ... but in the end of the day ... most people would fail and won't be able to sustain themselves.

So that is why there is no responsibility here because the odds of being responsible are so much against you that you'd better stay away and not get into it.

I am not disputing that from the sound of it you and many other forum members here like to bet $20 bucks accumulators or stuff like that but in the long run you and "heavy punters" are both losing a substantial amount of money, and time (!) which can all be used for much better purposes.

[5mike5]

Figure out how it's done ... you automatically lose 10% when you bet on the NBA (and even more than 10%) ... bookmakers take "vig" or "juice" or however you call it ...

You bet on Roulette - you automatically destined to lose because the house has the hedge over you.

Doing it long term would kill your bankroll.

I'm not sure how you bet and when, but most people trying to make money out of gambling fail and fail really hard, they can sunk with it so deep they have no way out.
Perhaps you bet only on Nascar, I haven't met lots of people who do that, but the vast majority of people are losers or destined to lose because they cannot beat a system that works against them 100% of the times.

lucky for me, i only bet on the 1 sport that im great at...and yes its NASCAR...during off season i may bet a longshot parlay or props thats low risk big reward (+3500 and +1600 out of 3 props i bet on SB) winner prop on SB for fun, but never lose much of anything..this off-season i made 4 bets TOTAL in over 3 months...funny as nascar season starts again tonight thankfully!!!

and because i have that dicipline, im a big overall winner every year since i started getting smart about the game...started making more than i did for my medical degree working i surgery...i spend 35+ hrs a week researching and prepping for the events (1-2 a week only) every week my port is in season, but its well worth it and i enjoy it alot

[stevenash]

Can he be responsible?

Most people would fail.

But there are responsible gamblers, so there is a such thing as responsible gambling.
I get where you are coming from, you just are wording it wrong

[dontknowhowtobet]

...i spend 35+ hrs a week researching and prepping for the events (1-2 a week only) every week my port is in season, but its well worth it and i enjoy it alot

That is like a "job" what you describe, which still involves a risk, but you are not a gambler, since you bet only on this event which you do research, and I assume Nascar unlike NBA has more availability for research, although I'm not an expert ...

What I can tell you is if I dedicate 35+ hours a week to something, it would definitely not be for this, I am not sure if you're making a "living" out of it or not, and the number of bets you have taken is quite small, which is good (the less the better), but I can tell you people long term not only lose so much time due to gambling but also lots of money.

Dedicating 35+ hours a week to that - I wouldn't do that, but that's me.

[dontknowhowtobet]

But there are responsible gamblers, so there is a such thing as responsible gambling.
I get where you are coming from, you just are wording it wrong

You are referring to minority, and not to majority.
Most "gamblers" here cannot stop even if they want to. (e.g. jjgold)

[Albert Pujols]

Pretty stupid thread. If you suck at discipline, just leave. No sense in staying and arguing. Most people are degenerates, and a few bettors and all bookies win. This is no secret. But just because you can't win doesn't mean nobody can.

[stevenash]

Pretty stupid thread. If you suck at discipline, just leave. No sense in staying and arguing. Most people are degenerates, and a few bettors and all bookies win. This is no secret. But just because you can't win doesn't mean nobody can.

We all caln win, you can beat a race, but you can not beat the racess.
And correct, show be a poor bookie.

[jjgold]

Yes some do this as a real job and hold their own, I do not think they are degenerates

I think they have certain strategies and just bet when they think odds in their favor

[The Chaser]

never fukkin heard of ya pal

bookies got you by the balls...now you're scared to bet

[Optional]

You are referring to minority, and not to majority.
Most "gamblers" here cannot stop even if they want to. (e.g. jjgold)

That's ridiculous and just ignores the facts I posted for you before. Less than 5% of people have a gambling problem. And if it wasn't gambling they were doing, those same people would be turning to drink or drugs or some other outlet that relieves them.

It looks worse here as those few percent of Americans who are addicted to gambling will be first to make the effort to deal with the hassle/stigma of offshore gambling.

But even then I'd doubt anywhere even close to a majority that read SBR are ruining their lives or consider they have a gambling problem.

My guess would be under 20%... in a group of people you are more likely to find them in than just about anywhere else.

That's just a guess of course. But i think it's at least an educated guess. You are just saying straight out lies now.

[tommygun]

i've heard JJ gold flicked donty some money, now he's back betting NBA lines....knew you would be back

[dontknowhowtobet]

i've heard JJ gold flicked donty some money, now he's back betting NBA lines....knew you would be back

Are you referring to me?
I had a relapse last time in June, but currently I'm over 45 days free of gambling and it feels really great.