SBR TRIVA MINUTE:How many books rated A- or higher have gone broke?

[SBR_John]

ZERO

Guys with crap books like BOS anything can happen. If you hear some bad news about the industry or a sportsbook failing you can take comfort in knowing your money is safe in an A book.

This happens every single year and its only week two and we are getting this:

A square player throws in $500 and goes on a roll of a lifetime. He can't miss, as in 29-1 type can't miss. Suddenly his account is up to $26,490 from $500!!! With his rollover complete he now goes to cash out.

When the sportsbook refuses to pay him he ends up here and finds out his book is rated D. Sometimes we can help and sometimes, well, you can't get water from a rock.

Guys play it safe. So when you go on your roll of a lifetime you wont need to pray that Mr. Dozer can work a miracle to get you paid.

[chano]

i think you should either reate a book safe , or Not safe. Or do you guys charge for a "B" or B+ Rating? I think you do, or you would not even worry about any other books, you would just give out your list of good books and that is all. I guess you would not make that much revenue. Just my thoughts. Tell me, am I lying.

[jjgold]

The answer is none

[MrX]

i think you should either reate a book safe , or Not safe. Or do you guys charge for a "B" or B+ Rating? I think you do, or you would not even worry about any other books, you would just give out your list of good books and that is all.

There are degrees of safety. A decent bonus or juicy lines may justify the risk associated with C+ book. A great bonus might justify the risk of a D+ book. For just placing bets, obviously you would want the security of an A or A+ book.

[chano]

The answer is none

What you mean "none" ?

[jjgold]

I do not think any books rated A- or higher have gone broke.

[tacomax]

Tell me, am I lying.

Can I tell you you're talking crap instead? Would you prefer a system where there were 10 books called "safe" and 900 called "not safe" with no distinguishing between the likes of ABC and ESB? If you think that's a good idea then get yourself a website and do it yourself - you've spotted a gap in the market there.

[chano]

Can I tell you you're talking crap instead? Would you prefer a system where there were 10 books called "safe" and 900 called "not safe" with no distinguishing between the likes of ABC and ESB? If you think that's a good idea then get yourself a website and do it yourself - you've spotted a gap in the market there.

I guess being 100 % safe is wrong. I believe any new book should never even get a rating until they have proven themselves. Obviously the A or A+ books have, that is why they are rated the way they are.

[SBR_John]

Chano the book on the 6th floor of your building is safe.

We just want to warn folks now to stay with quality books. You never know when its your turn to go on a run.

[chano]

Chano the book on the 6th floor of your building is safe.

We just want to warn folks now to stay with quality books. You never know when its your turn to go on a run.

Yes, safer than BOS, for sure, that money is gonzo. From now on its A+ only.

[Yoshi]

Yes, safer than BOS, for sure, that money is gonzo. From now on its A+ only.

That would be wrong too, coz for example Cascade, Mansion and Canbet are a lot better than 3.65, VIP and WWTS...

[tacomax]

That would be wrong too, coz for example Cascade, Mansion and Canbet are a lot better than 3.65, VIP and WWTS...

In your opinion, of course.

[pags11]

zero is a comforting number john...good to know...

[SBR_John]

Which A is right for you or even which is better is good stuff and certainly encouraged here.

Hopefully the newbie who has just started his day as a dog, roll of a lifetime finds you guys and this site beforehand.

[Yoshi]

In your opinion, of course.

In the opinion of all people that are not complete losers

[BuddyBear]

We just want to warn folks now to stay with quality books. You never know when its your turn to go on a run.

Well it seems like you are providing an important public service announcement by doing what you are doing but it's time to call a spade a spade. Sorry John but I have to tell "truth to people" b/c "truth to power" already knows what I am going to say.

SBR is not so much concerned about warning you as much as they are about advertising specific books out there. The books on the top of the screen pay to have their banner up there and they are going to get their money out of all this. They pay for a plug in addition to the banner and grade and SBR moderator plug them incessantly in these threads. Sure they are safe but there are several books out there that are safe that don't get mentioned...they don't get mentioned b/c they don't advertise hence only a select few books can get plugged. So the way it works the books pay for the advertsing, SBR advertises them and everyone is happy. Threads like this are basically sponsored by the book...it's likely John got an email or call from one of the books to start a thread like this "reminding" everyone about such records.....this is not strictly random like it may appear

The whole grading system....much like say the MPAA who provides the rating system for films...is utterly absurd and the grading system is poorly conceptualized on here. There is one true A+ book out there yet several others are A+...

When you take money from books for your revenue...you can expect to have "book friendly" threads like this one. The mods job is not so much to engage discourse on a variety of topics but more less to talk about specific books and remind posters every few months (mostly for the new posters) but for reinforcement from the old posters.

I remember once not too long ago when there was criticism of a book that advertised on here a certain mod on here....who was recently fired.....quickly halted any criticism of the book by changing the title.

Just the way it is...the best thing is to learn to be a good consumer of information out there and to integrate information from a variety of sources.

[Justin7]

Buddy-

I think you are oversimplifying Sportsbookreview. SBR does a TREMENDOUS amount of player assistance, and not just the complaints that are addressed in the news feed. In my short tenure here, I have probably assisted in over 100 disputes. There are many others at SBR whose main purpose is to help players in disputes.

It's not simply about advertising. SBR has no interest in having a BetOnSports banner, or one for any other mediocre book. SBR disseminated unbiased information, and that is a huge benefit to the players.

[BuddyBear]

It's not that simple Justin nor do I dispute what you are saying. I always give SBR the benefit of the doubt and realize that SBR does quite a bit of good and provides many valuable services that aren't available elsewhere.

Since I am the voice of conscience on this forum much of what I say is enormously unpopular with many on here but that's okay b/c i know what I am saying is ultimately true. I've studied this stuff for quite some time and am as well versed in as just about anyone.

Let me say it plain and simple SBR is a profit-seeking enterprise. SBR is in this to make money not to help players...as far as I know any money recovered SBR does not get a share of...they do that b/c that is a service they provided. The SBR people did not move their families out to a 3rd world country so that they could go to the beach they went there to make money and that's the bottom line. If there is no money then they won't help players that's what distinguish them from a non-profit enterprise.

Well then the next question is where does SBR get it's money from? That's pretty easy it comes from advertising revenue. Sometimes things on SBR are explicit advertisements other times they are not. Sometimes you see the banner on the top and you can say that's an explicit advertisement...other times you see threads like this one started by SBRJohn as a "reminder" to posters about which books you should be putting your money not coincidentally the same books that advertise with them.

In fact there is nothing on SBR that is not an advertisement. The thread sections are for sale, the contests are sponsored by advertisors, the banners, the mods are for sale, threads like this one, links to the sportsbooks who advertise, the touts...there is absolutely nothing that is not for sale on here.

So how does it work...very easy. SBR deems who the good books are and who the bad ones are. They set up what is disguised as a "players forum" which is really more of a "sportsbook advertisor forum." Here posters are exposed to the "good books" and to the contests and to the thread sponsors and to the touts....really it's quite amazing that I am the only one who has even noticed these things. It works perfect...posters are led to believe they are in atmosphere where they are free from advertising influence but really there is nothing left on here that is not an advertisement.

As for this nonsense that well the they take money from the same people who they are suppose to grade but somehow they are not influenced by it. Just like you hear (every) politicians who says the same exact thing...well corporation X gives me money but that's b/c they like me. No...it's b/c they expect something in return. There is absolutely nobody on this earth who takes money from someone and says they are not influenced by it...they may differ in the degree in which they are influenced but they are influenced I can assure you. The same exact things apply here.....if you don't do what the book says then you won't get paid. B/c when the master says something the servant has to listen or else....that's the way it worked on the plantation. The good slaves were the ones who listened to the master and they got treats. Sometimes they would get to come in the house or maybe get an afternoon off or an extra cup of water or something...but the bads one well they got nothing. So listening to the master is a good idea.


Even mods are for sale. One mod who recently got fired on here was quick to stop criticism of an advertised book. He and I talked a lot before he was a mod and he was very opinioned...as good as it gets in the industry. Well this guy once he became a mod never once spoke his mind again and instead he sounded like a robot for SBR which is what he was programmed to do on here.

You look at SBR.....it's become a sanctuary for touts. I mean seriously has it got that bad that the front page contains notorious touts who are regular losers.

Sorry to say all this but when you are as smart as I am and can think for yourself you know fact from fiction....for the rest of you well ignorance is bliss.

[jjgold]

Buddy this post belongs at EOG or MW because that is the business model they have there.

[BuddyBear]

Buddy this post belongs at EOG or MW because that is the business model they have there.

coach it does not matter...any organization that grades books and takes money from the same people who they are grading deserves the above post. It does not matter if you take them from the good books or the bad books money is money.

[wrongturn]

BuddyBear, I understand what you are saying. There is a reason that SBR is a .com site, not .org site. But if you imply that SBR would accept advertising from a questionable book and/or to get top rating, like some other forums, it is something I have not noticed. If you imply there are other top sportsbooks don't get top rating because they don't advertise here, I believe you 100%. But that doesn't change the fact that SBR's recommended sportsbook have not failed and its helpfullness to players is among the best.

[BadAzz]

I agree with Wrongturn completely. BB is right about the fact that an organization accepting money from bookies can never be objective in rating them. However, SBR has never promoted a risky book. SBR ratings are accurate enough in the most important category, namely the safety of the funds. At least a risky book cannot buy it's way up to be seen as a safe out.

That said, it is also obvious that VIP or Bet365 are not in the same category as Pinny. Actually noone is, and I believe that books can buy a better grade inside the category they belong with advertising dollars.

In short, I agree with BB but I am fine with the situation. SBR has to make money somehow and they are doing by far the best job of the watchdogs. I have personally gotten help from Dozer and I always check SBR ratings before trying a new book to determine the safety.

[Yoshi]

Yep i agree, SBR is doing an awesome job and my betting life would have been a lot harder without those guys.
I guess i just like to pick on some of those square books because they didnt treat me like I expected it

[mvbski]

WWTS ?

Amazing how this book has gone down the crapper so quickly.

[szk1983]

What about VIP? They are an A+ book, and are'nt they having issues?

[JDK192]

Buddy Bear is 100% correct. However, I think its a win-win situation. SBR makes a lot of money off the advertisers, obviously. But it doesn't all go in their pockets. They have a FREE lines service which they wouldn't be able to do without advertising revenue. They deal with player disputes for FREE. If they didn't make all the money from advertising, would Bill Dozier be fighting battles for free. I've always thought some of the A books are a joke (365, WWTS (past year), VIP) but as long as your money is safe you'll find that out after you play there anyway. I think it's a great situation for everyone.

[LineHunter]

who else is trusted?

I think SBR is doing a great job.
Glad they are making money at it.

Is there anyone else doing a credible job rating books?
Bettors World seems totally ad-driven.

[pags11]

SBR's now in a class by themselves...the most credible source in the industry...

[betplom]

Cascade

[durito]

betpanam


might have only been a B

[Stumpage]

Browsing the SBR Homepage under a "Cascade" search, it truly is amazing what happened to that outfit (Maybe not so amazing if you've been screwed by these thieves, but I'm just talking the history of the organization).

Were basically a crappy joint, then had a 2 year span where they skyrocketed to the top of the SBR ratings....Then plummetting down to the bottom of the barrell again. Online gamings own rags to riches to rags story.....

[Justin7]

In Cascade's peak, all books were doing book-book transfers with them. I think they were "A-" at one point.

In December of 2006, Cascade went from A- to B+. On April 27th, they had gone all the way down to D-, although the warning signs were there during the Super Bowl.

Whether your money is in an FDIC insured bank (IndyMac), an established stock (Enron) or a "top sportsbook" (as Cascade appeared at that time), you need to keep tabs on it.