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  • Roy Halladay
    SBR MVP
    • 09-27-10
    • 1074

    #36
    I'm actually one of the few that thinks he's a very good quarterback. And I would not be surprised to see the Bears in the NFC Championship the next 2 years.
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    • Roy Halladay
      SBR MVP
      • 09-27-10
      • 1074

      #37
      Originally posted by Chi_archie
      but we are moaning about keeping a part of that scary offense on and not talking about the defense?

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      • packerd_00
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 05-22-13
        • 17823

        #38
        Originally posted by RyanLeafOfBets
        I read something earlier where it said most of the guaranteed money was going to be paid out over the first 3 years, so they could get out of it after 3 relatively cheap... If that's the case, probably not a bad idea.
        3 Years is a long time in the NFL,how old will Marshall be by then.
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        • Chi_archie
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-22-08
          • 63172

          #39
          let's talk about cutting old man Peppers and his inflated salary
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          • Chi_archie
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-22-08
            • 63172

            #40
            Originally posted by packerd_00
            3 Years is a long time in the NFL,how old will Marshall be by then.
            he only has 1 year left on his contract anyways

            but to answer the question he is 29 and he'll be 30 entering next year.

            Cutler is 11 months older.

            so in 3 football seasons

            Marshall will be 32
            Cutler will be 33

            Quarterbacks have a longer shelf life, so if the Bears can keep Marshall (he wants to stay) I'd be more concerned with the WR's age as they drop off quicker and QB's seem to be able to last longer.

            in the mean time, i'm not sure that the Bears could bring in a QB for the 1 year left on Marshall's contract and youth and do any better.
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388179

              #41
              Cutler is 8–8 type of QB

              He will have some good games and bad games but most will be mediocre games
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              • oiler
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 06-06-09
                • 6585

                #42
                but why would u invest in a quarterback ,who in the last few years,have been injury prone.not saying they shouldn't of signed him but not for 7 years..sounds like another albert pujols contract
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                • Chi_archie
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 07-22-08
                  • 63172

                  #43
                  Bears are 39-28 in games Cutler has started in his career there

                  that is 68% winning percentage or

                  10.94 wins
                  vs
                  5.04 losses

                  in a 16 game season

                  in his career John Elway won 64%

                  he also didn't really win anything till he was well past 35.
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                  • tto827
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 10-01-12
                    • 9078

                    #44
                    Here's a fun fact. Jay Cutler has NEVER had a season with a td/int ratio better than +7.

                    That is absolutely abysmal for a QB making 17 mil a year.


                    For comparisons sake... Tom Brady's worst season ever, his rookie year, he had a TD/int of +11.

                    If cutler comes out next year with this stat line:

                    62% completions
                    4,000 yards
                    34 touchdowns
                    20 interceptions

                    It would be BY FAR his best season ever and still not worth 17 mil a year. I just don't get it.

                    If anyone likes the bears season win total under, you better hit it quick, cause I'm putting every last penny I can scrape up on it.
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                    • Chi_archie
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 07-22-08
                      • 63172

                      #45
                      Originally posted by oiler
                      but why would u invest in a quarterback ,who in the last few years,have been injury prone.not saying they shouldn't of signed him but not for 7 years..sounds like another albert pujols contract
                      yeah the Injury Prone argument is interesting.

                      I think all in all he has been quite durable considering he has a top 3 worst o-line every year.

                      guy had some freak injuries but i'm not sure that i'm willing to say he will always get hurt. Hell every NFL player is injury prone, its just stats.
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                      • Chi_archie
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-22-08
                        • 63172

                        #46
                        Originally posted by oiler
                        bnot saying they shouldn't of signed him but not for 7 years..sounds like another albert pujols contract
                        NFL contracts are not like MLB

                        they can get rid of Cutler any time they want, I think they pretty much locked themselves into 3 years that way the 56 million garuanteed money is set up, then they can cut him without too much cap hit in 2017 if need be.

                        years don't matter in NFL like MLB
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                        • SteveKerrsJunk
                          SBR MVP
                          • 10-25-13
                          • 2706

                          #47
                          Fuuuuuuuuuuuucccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk k you jay!!!!!!!!!!!
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                          • d2bets
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 08-10-05
                            • 39995

                            #48
                            Originally posted by packerd_00
                            3 Years is a long time in the NFL,how old will Marshall be by then.
                            Exactly, that's why they couldn't risk letting Cutler go. Marshall probably has 3-4 years left, tops. And Jeffery should be at his best next 3-4 and Forte maybe 2-3 years. Not that they couldn't replace those guys eventually, but they have to strike while the iron is hot and somehow bring the defense up to snuff. Bears were a .500ish team because the defense was among the 2-3 worst in the league. If it was average, they'd be a legit threat. That's the challenge.
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                            • d2bets
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                              • 08-10-05
                              • 39995

                              #49
                              Originally posted by tto827
                              Here's a fun fact. Jay Cutler has NEVER had a season with a td/int ratio better than +7.

                              That is absolutely abysmal for a QB making 17 mil a year.


                              For comparisons sake... Tom Brady's worst season ever, his rookie year, he had a TD/int of +11.

                              If cutler comes out next year with this stat line:

                              62% completions
                              4,000 yards
                              34 touchdowns
                              20 interceptions

                              It would be BY FAR his best season ever and still not worth 17 mil a year. I just don't get it.

                              If anyone likes the bears season win total under, you better hit it quick, cause I'm putting every last penny I can scrape up on it.
                              Too early to say. They have half the team up in free agency, plus the draft, a lot can change. If they don't fix the defense, then yeah.
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                              • opie1988
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 09-12-10
                                • 23429

                                #50
                                Originally posted by Roy Halladay
                                I'm actually one of the few that thinks he's a very good quarterback. And I would not be surprised to see the Bears in the NFC Championship the next 2 years.
                                I totally agree with you. I think a lot of people don't quite fathom how difficult that position is, and how very few guys in the world can actually do it.

                                That's a boatload of money, but it's hard to argue that he doesn't deserve it. There are certainly Bears fans out there who will complain about this signing and argue that the team should have jettisoned Cutler in favor of Josh McCown, but those people are dumb. Today's NFL is a quarterback's league, and one that sees teams slog through deeply depressing seasons with guys like Mike Glennon, Brandon Weeden, and Blaine Gabbert starting. Quarterbacks who can actually play are not easy to find, and the ones that can deserve to get paid.

                                (Last part isn't mine, but I completely agree with it.)
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                                • jizay
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 08-07-09
                                  • 975

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by Chi_archie
                                  Bears are 39-28 in games Cutler has started in his career there

                                  that is 68% winning percentage or

                                  10.94 wins
                                  vs
                                  5.04 losses

                                  in a 16 game season

                                  in his career John Elway won 64%

                                  he also didn't really win anything till he was well past 35.
                                  39-28 is 58%, not 68%. The difference is not small. Didn't you bother to extrapolate that 10.9-5? That's over twice as many wins as losses.
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                                  • d2bets
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 08-10-05
                                    • 39995

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by jizay
                                    39-28 is 58%, not 68%. The difference is not small. Didn't you bother to extrapolate that 10.9-5? That's over twice as many wins as losses.
                                    True, but he made a good point on Elway. Elway was supposedly a loser, until he wasn't. Hell, Michael Jordan didn't win anything his first 7 years. Things change.
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                                    • Chi_archie
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 07-22-08
                                      • 63172

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by jizay
                                      39-28 is 58%, not 68%. The difference is not small. Didn't you bother to extrapolate that 10.9-5? That's over twice as many wins as losses.



                                      shit i'm at the gym mang, I can't do math!!!
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                                      • Chi_archie
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 07-22-08
                                        • 63172

                                        #54
                                        here is a good site for bear or deep NFL fans

                                        I'm not a bear fan per se, but it is interesting to see what they have on the books



                                        you can see all teams via that site

                                        TOP 51 $60,978,722 $14,990,108 $1,350,000 $1,235,000 $78,553,830
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                                        Julius Peppers $13,900,000 $4,183,333 $0 $100,000 $18,183,333 $8,366,668 $9,816,665
                                        Brandon Marshall $9,100,000 $0 $0 $200,000 $9,300,000 $0 $9,300,000
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                                        Michael Bush $2,800,000 $1,000,000 $0 $50,000 $3,850,000 $2,000,000 $1,850,000
                                        Earl Bennett $2,350,000 $0 $0 $100,000 $2,450,000 $0 $2,450,000
                                        Shea McClellin $1,141,218 $1,112,436 $0 $0 $2,253,654 $4,141,690 ($1,888,036)
                                        Kyle Long $782,316 $1,104,264 $0 $0 $1,886,580 $6,031,898 ($4,145,318)
                                        Adam Podlesh $1,400,000 $400,000 $0 $25,000 $1,825,000 $800,000 $1,025,000
                                        Eric Weems $1,000,000 $500,000 $0 $100,000 $1,600,000 $500,000 $1,100,000
                                        Alshon Jeffery $753,438 $436,879 $0 $50,000 $1,240,317 $873,758 $366,559
                                        Stephen Paea $827,623 $295,164 $0 $50,000 $1,172,787 $295,164 $877,623
                                        Jon Bostic $584,127 $311,509 $0 $0 $895,636 $1,518,654 ($623,018)
                                        Chris Conte $645,000 $133,400 $0 $10,000 $788,400 $133,400 $655,000
                                        Khaseem Greene $495,000 $108,023 $0 $0 $603,023 $324,069 $278,954
                                        Jerry Franklin $570,000 $0 $0 $0 $570,000 $0 $570,000
                                        James Brown $570,000 $0 $0 $0 $570,000 $0 $570,000
                                        Cheta Ozougwu $570,000 $0 $0 $0 $570,000 $0 $570,000
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                                        Marquess Wilson $495,000 $11,787 $0 $0 $506,787 $35,361 $471,426
                                        Michael Ford $495,000 $1,166 $0 $0 $496,166 $2,334 $493,832
                                        Isaiah Frey $495,000 $0 $0 $0 $495,000 $0 $495,000
                                        David Bass $495,000 $0 $0 $0 $495,000 $0 $495,000
                                        Joe Long $420,000 $0 $0 $0 $420,000 $0 $420,000
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                                        • jizay
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 08-07-09
                                          • 975

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by Chi_archie


                                          shit i'm at the gym mang, I can't do math!!!
                                          It's cool - I should probably be at the gym instead of checking arithmetic.
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                                          • packerd_00
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 05-22-13
                                            • 17823

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by Chi_archie
                                            he only has 1 year left on his contract anyways

                                            but to answer the question he is 29 and he'll be 30 entering next year.

                                            Cutler is 11 months older.

                                            so in 3 football seasons

                                            Marshall will be 32
                                            Cutler will be 33

                                            Quarterbacks have a longer shelf life, so if the Bears can keep Marshall (he wants to stay) I'd be more concerned with the WR's age as they drop off quicker and QB's seem to be able to last longer.

                                            in the mean time, i'm not sure that the Bears could bring in a QB for the 1 year left on Marshall's contract and youth and do any better.
                                            I cant see them keeping Marshall he's going to be looking for a big pay day, and know that Alshon is coming into his own there going to have to pay out the ass.

                                            QB's do have a much longer shelf life, if you look at two of the best Qb's in the game Manning and Brady there hitting their late 30's. I cant think of many wr's that are able to stick around that long and still even be productive.
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                                            • packerd_00
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 05-22-13
                                              • 17823

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by d2bets
                                              Exactly, that's why they couldn't risk letting Cutler go. Marshall probably has 3-4 years left, tops. And Jeffery should be at his best next 3-4 and Forte maybe 2-3 years. Not that they couldn't replace those guys eventually, but they have to strike while the iron is hot and somehow bring the defense up to snuff. Bears were a .500ish team because the defense was among the 2-3 worst in the league. If it was average, they'd be a legit threat. That's the challenge.
                                              They better hope Cutler can come through know not later,like the other gentleman was saying Marshall is in the final year of his contract,who knows how much Marshall will be asking for once that time comes.

                                              Be interesting to see what happens. Do you think they might hire Brian Urlacher to help out with the defense.
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                                              • thetrinity
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 01-25-11
                                                • 22431

                                                #58
                                                awful signing. guy hasnt made a pro bowl since 2008 in denver. the defense is horrible anyways.
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                                                • k13
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 07-16-10
                                                  • 18104

                                                  #59
                                                  I guess not as bad as the flacco deal....lol

                                                  Or is it?

                                                  Has no potential to be any better than he is.
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                                                  • EmpireMaker
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 06-18-09
                                                    • 15583

                                                    #60
                                                    Cutler is only going to count 6 mill a yr toward the cap for the first 3 years leaving them a lot of cap space.... Bears are in really good shape in that regard now
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                                                    • BennyBigNuts
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 04-16-12
                                                      • 8700

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by Roy Halladay
                                                      I'm actually one of the few that thinks he's a very good quarterback. And I would not be surprised to see the Bears in the NFC Championship the next 2 years.
                                                      Great arm, does well with a good offense (which the Bears have).
                                                      If he has to do it himself he is not capable due to the lack of the mental part of the game.

                                                      Extreme TILT Qb. Rages way too easily and is very stubborn.
                                                      Will never have the head game to be elite, but most likely possessed the tools.
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                                                      • meader99
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 10-30-10
                                                        • 4223

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by Chi_archie
                                                        Bears are 39-28 in games Cutler has started in his career there

                                                        that is 68% winning percentage or

                                                        10.94 wins
                                                        vs
                                                        5.04 losses

                                                        in a 16 game season

                                                        in his career John Elway won 64%

                                                        he also didn't really win anything till he was well past 35.
                                                        We aren't seriously mentioning Elways name here in the same breath as Cutler are we? Elway took hapless Bronco teams to 3 Super Bowls. What do you suppose Cutler would have done with those same Bronco teams?
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                                                        • lakerboy
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 04-02-09
                                                          • 94379

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by d2bets
                                                          True, but he made a good point on Elway. Elway was supposedly a loser, until he wasn't. Hell, Michael Jordan didn't win anything his first 7 years. Things change.

                                                          elway was in 3 super bowls before the cutler age with garbage teams. good comparison
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                                                          • tony_come
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 03-31-10
                                                            • 21695

                                                            #64
                                                            John Anyway never heard of him
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                                                            • Ernie Mccracken
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-11-11
                                                              • 1986

                                                              #65
                                                              What else are the bears going to do? They have rock star receivers, an offensive minded coach, and an O-line that is not worst in the league anymore.

                                                              Risk it all on a draft pick? Another retread? Cutler is an a-hole who has been injured a lot, but guy has a cannon for an arm and is good enough to get to the big game.
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                                                              • byronbb
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 11-13-08
                                                                • 3067

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Chi_archie


                                                                shit i'm at the gym mang, I can't do math!!!

                                                                lol


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                                                                • jizay
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 08-07-09
                                                                  • 975

                                                                  #67
                                                                  lol did not get the reference
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                                                                  • jtoler
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 12-17-13
                                                                    • 30967

                                                                    #68
                                                                    NFL and its rationale has been screwed up for a long time. Ok you dont think McCown is your qb of future fine, but Id much rather pay McCown say 3 or 4 mil and let him be my game manager and even a little more than that during the game than pay Cutler all that money when you know he's as reckless as they come, but thats always how the dummies in pro sports work.
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                                                                    • therocket
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 01-08-12
                                                                      • 869

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Jay finally has a coach. A coach that is offensive minded and a system that plays to his strengths. He has the weapons and o line. With time in the same system and an improved D the bears will be a perennial contender for the next 5 years.
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                                                                      • packerd_00
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 05-22-13
                                                                        • 17823

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by therocket
                                                                        Jay finally has a coach. A coach that is offensive minded and a system that plays to his strengths. He has the weapons and o line. With time in the same system and an improved D the bears will be a perennial contender for the next 5 years.
                                                                        Only if you can hang onto your other weapons, I have my doubts theyll be able to hangonto both Marshall and Jefferey after next year. Theyll more then likely let Marshall walk.
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