Stupid, Stupid Move by Mattingly

riffraff24 · 10-07-13, 04:31 PM

A stupid move would have been to take the braves and the under in Game 3

JMon · 10-07-13, 04:35 PM

If I remember right both CC and Verlander were on 2 days rest back on Oct. 3 2011 (game 3).

Det (-117) (total, 7) won 5-4. CC went 5.1, 7H, 3 SO, 6BB and and 4 earned. Verlander went 8.0, 6H, 4 earned, 3BB, 11 SO

Ghenghis Kahn · 10-07-13, 04:38 PM

mattingly's idol is al davis and he doesn't give fukk what people on sbr or anyone else says...

"just win baby!!!"

wagerjunkie · 10-07-13, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by JMon

If I remember right both CC and Verlander were on 2 days rest back on Oct. 3 2011 (game 3).

Det (-117) (total, 7) won 5-4. CC went 5.1, 7H, 3 SO, 6BB and and 4 earned. Verlander went 8.0, 6H, 4 earned, 3BB, 11 SO

yeah like i said..Yanks did this on their last WS run.

nothing new.

doesn't mean its smart tho.

yisman · 10-07-13, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by TonyTall

mattingly will get the last laugh. he pitches kershaw today, and if dodgers lose he comes back with kershaw game 5

I think you mean Greinke.

Originally posted by JMon

If I remember right both CC and Verlander were on 2 days rest back on Oct. 3 2011 (game 3).

Det (-117) (total, 7) won 5-4. CC went 5.1, 7H, 3 SO, 6BB and and 4 earned. Verlander went 8.0, 6H, 4 earned, 3BB, 11 SO

Three days rest, not 2.

That was a unique situation, because it rained in Game 1, forcing Verlander and CC to come out early. Verlander pitched 1 inning in Game 1. CC pitched 2 innings.

Here, Kershaw is pitching on the same rest as Verlander and CC did, but having thrown 124 pitches his last time out, and without having started on three days rest before (unlike CC and JV).

edit: It was 2 days rest

Ghenghis Kahn · 10-07-13, 04:44 PM

didn't the diamondbacks also use randy and curt with 3 days rest?

not that big of a deal...

wagerjunkie · 10-07-13, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn

didn't the diamondbacks also use randy and curt with 3 days rest?

not that big of a deal...

yep

JMon · 10-07-13, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by yisman

I think you mean Greinke.

Three days rest, not 2.

you sure..I thought they pitch on the 30th of Sept.

yisman · 10-07-13, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by JMon

you sure..I thought they pitch on the 30th of Sept.

Oh you're right, it was two days rest.

But it was only done because they barely pitched in Game 1 due to rain.

No coincidences · 10-07-13, 04:50 PM

Hamburger's going to hamburger.

Brooklyn Dick · 10-07-13, 04:59 PM

Maybe I am showing my age, but I remember when all good pitchers went the whole season pitching every fourth day barring injury. And there was no such thing as a pitch count. You threw until they hit you.

Gibson, Koufax, Spahn, etc. These guys were throwing shutouts galore.

Brooklyn Dick · 10-07-13, 05:02 PM

And if it is a stupid move you should tap out on the Braves tonight and see how you end up. Or better yet take +430 on Atlanta for the series. I don't hear anyone doing that yet.

NicAtNight · 10-07-13, 05:03 PM

Could cost him his job. He's definitely gambling here when he doesn't need to

Louisvillekid1 · 10-07-13, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Cannot comment until after the game is over right now it's neither a good move not a bad move

Don Mattingly has never been a good manager and was an overrated baseball player and is Dumb as rocks

Slimpickens · 10-07-13, 05:05 PM

Mattingly just turned this game into game 5.

Louisvillekid1 · 10-07-13, 05:07 PM

I'm sure the impact will be worse on the next series as they are still going to win this series.

But hard for me to argue with a guy who's been around this group every day for the last 8 months or so.

I'll tell you after the World Series what I woulda done, like JJ

broadway6 · 10-07-13, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Cannot comment until after the game is over right now it's neither a good move not a bad move

Don Mattingly has never been a good manager and was an overrated baseball player and is Dumb as rocks

Jj sharpest person at Sbr. Make ur wager after the game too.

LT Profits · 10-07-13, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dick

Maybe I am showing my age, but I remember when all good pitchers went the whole season pitching every fourth day barring injury. And there was no such thing as a pitch count. You threw until they hit you.

Gibson, Koufax, Spahn, etc. These guys were throwing shutouts galore.

I am old enough to remember that too, but it is a whole new world today. Back in the day, pitchers pitched on shorter rest so often that there bodies effectively got used to it so it didn't bother them that much. Nowadays, short rest is the exception rather than the rule and also don't forget that pitchers are often creatures of habit that don't do as well when their normal routine between starts is broken.

LT Profits · 10-07-13, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dick

And if it is a stupid move you should tap out on the Braves tonight and see how you end up. Or better yet take +430 on Atlanta for the series. I don't hear anyone doing that yet.

That;s not the point either, even if the Dodgers WIN tonight, they are wasting Kershaw unnecessarily.

yisman · 10-07-13, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dick

And if it is a stupid move you should tap out on the Braves tonight and see how you end up. Or better yet take +430 on Atlanta for the series. I don't hear anyone doing that yet.

I think it's worth a flier, but some books took down the series price after the pitching change.

Was it ATL +430 before the change?

5 Dimes took it down but Heritage has

Mon 10/7	853	Series Dodgers		<input id="editx" name="M1_7" size="4" maxlength="5" type="text">-545
6:35PM (PST)	854	Series Braves		<input id="editx" name="M2_7" size="4" maxlength="5" type="text">+420

El Nino · 10-07-13, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by King Mayan

We're fukked

Mattingly just went

to Nolasco. Now you have a head case in Greinke and Nolasco knows his skipper has zero faith in him. Mattingly turned this into a must win game when he didn't need to.

wagerjunkie · 10-07-13, 05:17 PM

at people saying it could cost him his job if they lose

No coincidences · 10-07-13, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by wagerjunkie

at people saying it could cost him his job if they lose

Won't cost him his job, but it's a definitive moment.

tatddy · 10-07-13, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by El Nino

Mattingly just went

to Nolasco. Now you have a head case in Greinke and Nolasco knows his skipper has zero faith in him. Mattingly turned this into a must win game when he didn't need to.

I would venture to say that Nolasco didn't think anyone had much faith in him after giving up 22 runs in 25 September innings including 17 runs in his last 12 IP.

BigDeem5 · 10-07-13, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by tatddy

I would venture to say that Nolasco didn't think anyone had much faith in him after giving up 22 runs in 25 September innings including 17 runs in his last 12 IP.

Sharp

No coincidences · 10-07-13, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by tatddy

I would venture to say that Nolasco didn't think anyone had much faith in him after giving up 22 runs in 25 September innings including 17 runs in his last 12 IP.

So why even carry him on your postseason roster?

If you're not going to use him up 2-1 at home vs. Freddy Garcia, you're never going to use him.

El Nino · 10-07-13, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

So why even carry him on your postseason roster?

If you're not going to use him up 2-1 at home vs. Freddy Garcia, you're never going to use him.

Yup, this tatddyer. Couldn't have said it better.

tatddy · 10-07-13, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

So why even carry him on your postseason roster?

If you're not going to use him up 2-1 at home vs. Freddy Garcia, you're never going to use him.

I didn't say that he shouldn't be starting today. I was responding to Nino's assertion that Nolasco would feel somehow thwarted here. I don't think he'll read much into it other than his coach is coming off unnecessarily desperate.

I'd be starting Nolasco here for sure.

NicAtNight · 10-07-13, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by wagerjunkie

at people saying it could cost him his job if they lose

If they lose the series, he's out in LA. I live in LA. They have been talking about it for the last few weeks all over the airwaves

ericc · 10-07-13, 06:03 PM

No doubt the Braves are thrilled. Think about it, who would you rather face a fresh Nolasco or a spent Kershaw? Just saying.

crustyme · 10-07-13, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by NicAtNight

If they lose the series, he's out in LA. I live in LA. They have been talking about it for the last few weeks all over the airwaves

postjunkie is a clueless nitwit.

the fact that they havent given him a contract extension even during that historic run is proof that his job is on the line.

crustyme · 10-07-13, 06:10 PM

mattingly said in a press conf that kershaw lobbied for game 4 start after game 1 and last night. and it was a decision by "committee."

sounds more like he's letting the inmates run the asylum. because if it backfires, he'll get 100% of the blame.

Sam Odom · 10-07-13, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by King Mayan

We're fukked

No coincidences · 10-07-13, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by tatddy

I didn't say that he shouldn't be starting today. I was responding to Nino's assertion that Nolasco would feel somehow thwarted here. I don't think he'll read much into it other than his coach is coming off unnecessarily desperate.

I'd be starting Nolasco here for sure.

Mattingly's a fvcking idiot, and I'm really hoping this blows up in his face.

El Nino · 10-07-13, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by tatddy

I didn't say that he shouldn't be starting today. I was responding to Nino's assertion that Nolasco would feel somehow thwarted here. I don't think he'll read much into it other than his coach is coming off unnecessarily desperate.

I'd be starting Nolasco here for sure.

But the desperation shows your lack of confidence in Nolasco or anybody else in your starting rotation. Now you potentially hand Nolasco the ball in St. Louis and he isn't supposed to feel shitty? You don't think Nolasco wants a shot to show he's not as bad as he closed out the season? He's a professional, but it's the absolute wrong message to send him.