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  • The Kraken
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 12-25-11
    • 28918

    #1
    Guys QUIT using +\- EV in your posts
    You have no clue what + and - even really is

    It is not a term you use when you feel good about a bet

    Its a mathematical concept, more specifically a statistics concept

    Ive taken stats, you guys clearly are using it wrong
  • Big Bear
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 11-01-11
    • 43253

    #2
    i thought +even meant you liked something.

    like zeta psi said hot sandwhiches are +even
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    • pavyracer
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 04-12-07
      • 82839

      #3
      I started with a $1000 bankroll 3 weeks ago and now I have a $3500 bankroll. 99% of my bets were -EV.

      Does it matter when I request a check for $2500 today?
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      • chilidog
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-05-09
        • 10305

        #4
        ain't nobody that regularly posts on sbr even remotely aware of how to determine if a bet has a positive or negative expected value
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        • Chi_archie
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-22-08
          • 63172

          #5
          Durito taught me how to calculate my edge and expected value
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          • Sam Odom
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 10-30-05
            • 58063

            #6
            Originally posted by chilidog

            ain't nobody that regularly posts on sbr even remotely aware of how to determine if a bet has a positive or negative expected value

            +1


            Most just parrot shitt they think sounds Sharp (no names)
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            • downsouth
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 01-13-11
              • 11580

              #7
              Originally posted by Chi_archie
              Durito taught me how to calculate my edge and expected value
              Don't see him around anywhere quite as much but that guy was very intelligent concerning sports wagering.
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              • Sam Odom
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 10-30-05
                • 58063

                #8
                Durito = rito
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                • The Kraken
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 12-25-11
                  • 28918

                  #9
                  Archie you're a chosen one. Doritos is sharp.
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                  • tatddy
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 03-02-10
                    • 10779

                    #10
                    Kraker I am guilty of this. Was 1/2 blood and 1/2 alcohol the whole year I took advaned stats in college.

                    I will pledge to not use the word ev ever again here.

                    Kraker thanks for the bitchslap.
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                    • jjgold
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 07-20-05
                      • 388179

                      #11
                      Kracker great post

                      You have a clue
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                      • Deuce
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 01-12-08
                        • 29843

                        #12
                        Every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a bachelors degree has taken stats. That being said kraker is correct.
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                        • Big Bear
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 11-01-11
                          • 43253

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Deuce
                          Every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a bachelors degree has taken stats. That being said kraker is correct.
                          nope not me. i didnt have to take a single math class
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                          • odog11
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-14-11
                            • 3874

                            #14
                            No stats geek here and I just think in terms of implied probability. Look at the implied probability of a line and if I think there is a good reason to believe the actual probability is higher I consider the bet. Then look at/think about why this might be the case: ie. trap, public side or non public side, some key factor being overvalued or undervalued. If it looks like there is an edge I will make a big bet.

                            When I feel like playing a gut feeling, I really like this bet type of play I play for "entertainment purposes only" amount.
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                            • 747planes
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 08-25-13
                              • 658

                              #15
                              Originally posted by The Kraken
                              You have no clue what + and - even really is

                              It is not a term you use when you feel good about a bet

                              Its a mathematical concept, more specifically a statistics concept

                              Ive taken stats, you guys clearly are using it wrong
                              Those clueless people are the same people who think that they don't pay juice when they play +100 or better odds

                              But gotta love it when an idiot thinks he is being a smart ass when he uses +/- even incorrectly.
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                              • dmtrader
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-26-09
                                • 1320

                                #16
                                Originally posted by The Kraken
                                You have no clue what + and - even really is

                                It is not a term you use when you feel good about a bet

                                Its a mathematical concept, more specifically a statistics concept

                                Ive taken stats, you guys clearly are using it wrong
                                Si

                                since you are the statistical police, let me ask you;

                                Is it OK if I use the term 'bell curve' in my posts? how about 'revert to the mean?'
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                                • TheMoneyShot
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 02-14-07
                                  • 28672

                                  #17
                                  As Brock Landers once said... "It Isn't Juice If You Win" So This would be a +EV statement.
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                                  • Louisvillekid1
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 10-17-07
                                    • 52143

                                    #18
                                    What exactly did we accomplish here?

                                    This thread is -EV



                                    Fishhead in 3.2.1...
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                                    • Sam Odom
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 10-30-05
                                      • 58063

                                      #19
                                      Never bet Fav over -130 . +EV
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                                      • Darkside Magick
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 05-28-10
                                        • 12638

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                        Never bet Fav over -130 . +EV
                                        Take it even further Sammy...don't bet nothing over -110
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                                        • Louisvillekid1
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 10-17-07
                                          • 52143

                                          #21
                                          Sammy lets go further, always plus $ wagers
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                                          • Darkside Magick
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 05-28-10
                                            • 12638

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                            Sammy lets go further, always plus $ wagers
                                            This.

                                            50% @Avg wager of 130 is more profitable than 60% @-110
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                                            • Sam Odom
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 10-30-05
                                              • 58063

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Louisvillekid1

                                              Sammy lets go further, always plus $ wagers




                                              No Juice = +EV
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                Rookies on this thread

                                                If market price is at most books

                                                Yanks -175
                                                Toronto +165


                                                Some rare book has

                                                Yanks -158
                                                foronto +148

                                                Do you bet yanks at -158?
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                                                • Darkside Magick
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 05-28-10
                                                  • 12638

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                  Rookies on this thread

                                                  If market price is at most books

                                                  Yanks -175
                                                  Toronto +165


                                                  Some rare book has

                                                  Yanks -158
                                                  foronto +148


                                                  Do you bet yanks at -158?
                                                  You bet bluejays @ 165
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                                                  • Big Bear
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 11-01-11
                                                    • 43253

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                                    Rookies on this thread

                                                    If market price is at most books

                                                    Yanks -175
                                                    Toronto +165


                                                    Some rare book has

                                                    Yanks -158
                                                    foronto +148

                                                    Do you bet yanks at -158?
                                                    if that rare book is pinnacle you take Toronto
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                                                    • ChalkyDog
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 10-02-11
                                                      • 9598

                                                      #27
                                                      I like using these terms in arbitrary ways that have nothing to do with math.

                                                      Misuse, probably. Misunderstood, absolutely. Misguided, never.
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388179

                                                        #28
                                                        Big Bear your sharp
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                                                        • mbs4
                                                          SBR Sharp
                                                          • 05-14-10
                                                          • 388

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                          You have no clue what + and - even really is

                                                          It is not a term you use when you feel good about a bet

                                                          Its a mathematical concept, more specifically a statistics concept

                                                          Ive taken stats, you guys clearly are using it wrong
                                                          Ev != even
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                                                          • jjgold
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 07-20-05
                                                            • 388179

                                                            #30
                                                            It means take anything. + money
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                                                            • Sam Odom
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 10-30-05
                                                              • 58063

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jjgold

                                                              Rookies on this thread

                                                              If market price is at most books

                                                              Yanks -175
                                                              Toronto +165


                                                              Some rare book has

                                                              Yanks -158
                                                              foronto +148

                                                              Do you bet yanks at -158?

                                                              Sammy would have NYY -125
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                                                              • BigDeem5
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 02-26-11
                                                                • 17191

                                                                #32
                                                                It is -EV to place parlays, teasers, and get worst price.

                                                                I could go into statistics but would take too long.

                                                                It is -EV to bet at 10% juice unless you can hit 53%. Simple
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                                                                • Sam Odom
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-30-05
                                                                  • 58063

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Deemer , plenty of Sharps bet 3-team parlays
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                                                                  • billysink
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 03-29-09
                                                                    • 5172

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Ain't a fukkin thing discussed here matters one stikky shit if you can't handicap a game right unless you have a very, very, very large bankroll.

                                                                    See a lot of guys batting the fukk out of their calculator for 4 bucks and change.

                                                                    Most fukks in here just talkin about it because they feel like they matter.


                                                                    They don't
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                                                                    • jjgold
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 07-20-05
                                                                      • 388179

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Guys if you take Detroit +2.5 +105 that is +EV
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