I'll Have what Andy Pettitte's Having (Red Sox / Yankees Under 9)

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  • LT Profits
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    • 10-27-06
    • 90963

    #1
    I'll Have what Andy Pettitte's Having (Red Sox / Yankees Under 9)
    41-years old, looked to be just about done early in the year, and now out of nowhere has allowed two earned runs or less in seven of his last eight starts. That includes one start vs. Boston where he did not allow an earned run in 6.2 innings. He now has a 2.14 ERA and 1.10 WHIP in three starts vs. the Red Sox this year.

    Felix Doubront had a rough outing vs. the White Sox last time out, but I'll forgive him that considering he has been amazingly consistent this year, allowing three earned runs or less in 18 out of 19 starts before that last outing. More Here.
  • Big Bear
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 11-01-11
    • 43253

    #2
    how much is sbr paying u to be a mod guey?
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    • LT Profits
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 10-27-06
      • 90963

      #3
      $3.00/hr
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      • Mike Huntertz
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 08-19-09
        • 11242

        #4
        Pettites lifetime numbers against BoSoxs are terrible.
        Looking for a return to the norm and took the over as Yanks bats are hot also.
        One of us will be smiling.
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        • LT Profits
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 10-27-06
          • 90963

          #5
          Originally posted by Mike Huntertz
          Pettites lifetime numbers against BoSoxs are terrible.
          Looking for a return to the norm and took the over as Yanks bats are hot also.
          One of us will be smiling.
          Lifetime numbers vs. teams doesn't mean anything though, I only put some weight on current season. Some have argued that even that is meaningless though due to small sampling, so overall performance still trumps all.
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          • darrell74
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 04-16-07
            • 14635

            #6
            I went to leave a comment on the page,
            it said I had to log in using facebook/yahoo account.
            SBR account wouldn't work
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            • Down_Goes Bookie
              SBR Sharp
              • 06-18-13
              • 422

              #7
              Ellsbury out of the lineup tonight with a foot issue. There's a plus for the under.
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              • billysink
                Restricted User
                • 03-29-09
                • 5172

                #8
                Originally posted by LT Profits
                Lifetime numbers vs. teams doesn't mean anything though, I only put some weight on current season. Some have argued that even that is meaningless though due to small sampling, so overall performance still trumps all.
                Lifetime numbers are a good handicapping tool. As a filter only. On their own merit they mean little. If you can validate them using current hitter versus pitch selection they are very strong either for or against.

                A batter can accumulate stats playing for different teams, batting in different lineup spots, with protection in the order or without. Conversely a pitcher's offerings can differ from year to year based on health, manager, catcher, game situation, time of year, venue etc.

                It has always been the most misunderstood approach to handicapping baseball.
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                • billysink
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                  • 03-29-09
                  • 5172

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Down_Goes Bookie
                  Ellsbury out of the lineup tonight with a foot issue. There's a plus for the under.
                  I don't agree with that. It eliminates a lefty lefty matchup in the leadoff spot and improves speed without compromising one base percentage. Ellsbury is a good player but is banged up right know.

                  No compromise here other than depth.
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                  • Down_Goes Bookie
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 06-18-13
                    • 422

                    #10
                    Originally posted by billysink
                    I don't agree with that. It eliminates a lefty lefty matchup in the leadoff spot and improves speed without compromising one base percentage. Ellsbury is a good player but is banged up right know.

                    No compromise here other than depth.
                    Ellsbury has a .333 avg vs. Pettitte over his career and a .375 OBP. Removing that bat and speed doesn't compromise the Sox lineup? OK if you say so...
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                    • billysink
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                      • 03-29-09
                      • 5172

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Down_Goes Bookie
                      Ellsbury has a .333 avg vs. Pettitte over his career and a .375 OBP. Removing that bat and speed doesn't compromise the Sox lineup? OK if you say so...
                      I get what your premise is. Do you think that the line on today's game reflects the past stats of Jacoby Ellsbury against Andy Petite or the insertion of Victorino in the leadoff spot in his stead.

                      Wager on what is going to happen. Not was has.
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                      • billysink
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                        • 03-29-09
                        • 5172

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Down_Goes Bookie
                        Ellsbury has a .333 avg vs. Pettitte over his career and a .375 OBP. Removing that bat and speed doesn't compromise the Sox lineup? OK if you say so...
                        I understand your premise however misleading it may be. Do you think today's line is reflective of Jacoby Ellsbury's past statistics or the insertion of Victorino in his stead.

                        Bet on what is going to happen not what already has.

                        The correct angle on this is that Andy Petite's righty lefty spits are dumbfoundingly polarized. BA a whopping 114 points higher against righties and OPS about 250 higher.

                        In sitting Ellsbury we get another righty (Gomes/Nava) in the lineup.
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                        • Down_Goes Bookie
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                          • 06-18-13
                          • 422

                          #13
                          Originally posted by billysink
                          I understand your premise however misleading it may be. Do you think today's line is reflective of Jacoby Ellsbury's past statistics or the insertion of Victorino in his stead.

                          Bet on what is going to happen not what already has.

                          The correct angle on this is that Andy Petite's righty lefty spits are dumbfoundingly polarized. BA a whopping 114 points higher against righties and OPS about 250 higher.

                          In sitting Ellsbury we get another righty (Gomes/Nava) in the lineup.
                          For me the correct angle is that Ellsbury is a game-breaking stud who hits lefties nearly as well as righties, .287 vs. .302 lifetime. He happens to make a particularly good read of Pettitte. As for Nava / Gomes, neither of them matches Ellsbury, and both of them are hitting worse vs. LHP this year than RHP. No matter, I'm staying off this one anyhow.
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                          • billysink
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                            • 03-29-09
                            • 5172

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Down_Goes Bookie
                            For me the correct angle is that Ellsbury is a game-breaking stud who hits lefties nearly as well as righties, .287 vs. .302 lifetime. He happens to make a particularly good read of Pettitte. As for Nava / Gomes, neither of them matches Ellsbury, and both of them are hitting worse vs. LHP this year than RHP. No matter, I'm staying off this one anyhow.
                            Me too, not a nickle in this dime.

                            Good luck on your next
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                            • leetreaper
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 10-23-10
                              • 34841

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LT Profits
                              Lifetime numbers vs. teams doesn't mean anything though, I only put some weight on current season. Some have argued that even that is meaningless though due to small sampling, so overall performance still trumps all.
                              Of course they do, are you serious?
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                              • LT Profits
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 10-27-06
                                • 90963

                                #16
                                Originally posted by leetreaper
                                Of course they do, are you serious?
                                You have to realize in Pettitte's case, lifetime numbers go back to the days of Ted Williams. Obviously exaggerating for effect but you get my point. Not too much weight should be put on pitcher vs. TEAM for past years because the teams are always different. Pitcher vs. BATTERS holds more weight, but even there you don't want to go back too far. And then there are cases like a few days ago with Max Scherzer vs. Red Sox where a pitcher has improved so much this year that past numbers before this year are close to meaningless.
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                                • Down_Goes Bookie
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                                  • 06-18-13
                                  • 422

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by billysink
                                  Me too, not a nickle in this dime.

                                  Good luck on your next
                                  Same to you let's everybody hit a couple beauties tonight.
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                                  • Mike Huntertz
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 08-19-09
                                    • 11242

                                    #18
                                    What an insane wild game.....................
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                                    • pavyracer
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                                      • 04-12-07
                                      • 82667

                                      #19
                                      Both teams could cover the total..lol

                                      Nice capping LT!
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                                      • TheMLBKing
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 04-20-13
                                        • 1129

                                        #20
                                        why people aren't just blindly fading OP is beyond me.
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                                        • wagerjunkie
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 08-24-13
                                          • 4105

                                          #21
                                          it's amazing how they dismantled that super star team last year and tried to imulate that team of what did they call themselves, the "idiots" team that one the first world series to break the curse.

                                          what a turn around this team has made. the really are emulating that first world series team. just the characters/goofballs on the team and the over all character and fight...never say die attitude
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                                          • jjgold
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-20-05
                                            • 388208

                                            #22
                                            Most guys got buried tonight

                                            Rolls are low heading into Saturday
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                                            • wagerjunkie
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 08-24-13
                                              • 4105

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                              Most guys got buried tonight

                                              Rolls are low heading into Saturday
                                              betting baseball is -EV right now

                                              people need to stick to Tennis/UFC/College Foots

                                              MLB/NFL will bury bank rolls
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                                              • LT Profits
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 10-27-06
                                                • 90963

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                Both teams could cover the total..lol

                                                Nice capping LT!
                                                Hey if you are going to lose, do it with flare! Better than losing nail-biters that keep you up at night.
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                                                • LT Profits
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 10-27-06
                                                  • 90963

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by TheMLBKing
                                                  why people aren't just blindly fading OP is beyond me.
                                                  This makes me 3-3 in posted MLB threads for a slight PROFIT, thanks to Brewers over Pirates. And I don't think I've steered anyone wrong in foots yet on completed games (leans to Broncos Over and Boston College).
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388208

                                                    #26
                                                    I think Petite is finished

                                                    Yankees need an entire new roster

                                                    Way too old for mlb
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                                                    • Smoke
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 10-09-09
                                                      • 48111

                                                      #27
                                                      You still having what andy is having?
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                                                      • Mike Huntertz
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 08-19-09
                                                        • 11242

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                        Hey if you are going to lose, do it with flare! Better than losing nail-biters that keep you up at night.
                                                        You have to make a pick to lose.
                                                        A lot of troll losers here who never pick!
                                                        Keep 'em comin' LT
                                                        GL
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                                                        • LT Profits
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 10-27-06
                                                          • 90963

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Smoke
                                                          You still having what andy is having?
                                                          Juice wore off.
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                                                          • Smoke
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 10-09-09
                                                            • 48111

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                            Juice wore off.
                                                            unrael
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                                                            • Footballtime
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 01-20-10
                                                              • 3229

                                                              #31
                                                              Doesnt matter who is pitching when the Redsox and Yanks play, these games go OVER. Its an automtic over play for the last 8 years everytime they play each other......
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