Just how good Bagwell's 1994 season was.

[greenhippo]

Roughly 115 games into this season:

ML BA Leader: .361
ML HR Leader: 40
ML RBI Leader: 103
ML Hits Leader: 143
ML 2B Leader: 40
ML Runs Leader: 82
ML SLG Leader: .673
ML OBP Leader: .455
ML OPS Leader: 1.120

Bagwell through 110 Games

BA: .368
HR: 39
RBI: 116
Hits: 147
2B: 32
Runs: 106
SLG: .750
OBP: .451
OPS: 1.201

I know he broke his hand right before the strike so he would have conceivably missed the rest of the season but would we not have been looking at one of the all-time great seasons? 200+ hits, 53-55 homers, 155-160 RBIs, 150 runs, 45 doubles. He would have put himself top 5 all time total bases in a single season. His slugging for that season is 11th all time (Pujols highest is a tie for 62nd) OPS is 20th all time (Pujols highest is 74th and Cabrera 62nd)

I don't know if or how many times its happened but how many season has a guy finished .350+ 50 HRs 40 2Bs 150 RBIs and 150 Runs? Ever?

[iifold]

All without even striding...

He was clean...

[greenhippo]

Wasn't even mentioned in Mitchel Report.

[iifold]

Wasn't even mentioned in Mitchel Report.

Serious

[greenhippo]

They didn't even interview him.

[BigJay]

Steroids will do wonders for your numbers...
Just because he wasn't mentioned doesn't mean he wasn't juicing. I think he got out of the game, or quit juicing, just before a lot of that started to go down.

[gryfyn1]

and Frank Thomas was just as good as Bagwell that year.

[Johnnythunder]

juicer

[jjgold]

Juice


100%

How were his numbers after that?

[The Kraken]

What about Brady Anderson? That guy was a one hit wonder. Shows exactly how much PED's can help a niqqA . Steroids are the real deal

[BennyBigNuts]

Bagwell juiced 100%.
Guy was a twig when he came up as a rookie. Beefed up 40 lbs easily.

[SamDiamond]

Bagwell when he came up....



Bagwell later...

[seaborneq]

Doesn't matter. He was a juicer, fit right in with the culture at the time.

[Regul8er]

Some of yall kill me. Amazes me that some think a 19 year old kid can't hit the weightroom hard and put on 40 pounds of muscle!

[Chi_archie]

juiced to the gills

the year after he retired, he looked to be about 160

[The Prick]

def roidhead, but they all fuggin were

surprised the ball didnt shatter when it hit him he was that hard

[InTheDrink]

def roidhead, but they all fuggin were

surprised the ball didnt shatter when it hit him he was that hard

balls never shatter loshak when he says he's hard either

[The Prick]

balls never shatter loshak when he says he's hard either

drinker lochetter dont never shatter balls

mostly just cradles them lovingly or bounces 'em offa his chin

[boeing power]

Interesting article on steroids and hall of fame voting including Bagwell.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/08/suspicion-of-steroid-use-could-keep-bagwell-and-piazza-out-of-hall/?_r=0

[Pabinator]

Bagwell when he came up....



Bagwell later...

Look at the fore arms, dude was on the good stuff. Him and Biggio too

[The Prick]

bet bags an luis gonzales went to the gym together.

camineti prolly introduced both of em to his "nutritionist"

[SamDiamond]

Some of yall kill me. Amazes me that some think a 19 year old kid can't hit the weightroom hard and put on 40 pounds of muscle!

Gaining muscle is one thing.

Have your f'in skull grow 4 sizes is another.

[The Kraken]

Being 30 and gaining that kind of muscle when testosterone levels are declining doesn't add up. Also, many other guys around this time had similar growth spurts and have since been implicated. Of it qucks like a duck, odds are its a duck. Baggers was putting stuff in his ass. It's cool. Just own that shit

[ChalkyDog]

He did all of that, without ever learning how to properly stand in the batters box.

He put up those stats from the "taking a shit in a Minnesota airport bathroom" stance.

Amazing. Steroids or not.

[greenhippo]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/07/biogenesis-allows-us-to-smear-jeff-bagwell-some-more-awesome/

[Lo$t]

If steroids have no ill health effects, they are a legitimate training aid. I support anything that improves yourself. AROD for President.

[ChalkyDog]

If steroids have no ill health effects, they are a legitimate training aid. I support anything that improves yourself. AROD for President.

All it takes is it to have one ill side effect on one person, to make it unfair. That's not the case, as taking HGH or other forms of PED's include a laundry list of side effects, to include losing a hundred million dollar contract, simple because past roid use has shrunken your brain to an unusable size.

[TheMoneyShot]

Buff Bagwell = Roids

[SamDiamond]

If steroids have no ill health effects, they are a legitimate training aid. I support anything that improves yourself. AROD for President.

Lyle Alzado just called from the dead.

He disagrees.

[TheMoneyShot]

I remember 5 years ago... in these threads... 95% posters were in disbelief on steroid use in American Sports. I'm glad you guys finally woke up.

[Bcatswin]

Roid head can't hold miggy's jock strap.

[Lo$t]

Lyle Alzado just called from the dead.

He disagrees.

Nyet. No proven connection to steroids and brain cancer for Lyle. Simply not there. And simply no apparent health issues for recent users other than look banged up but that's generally true most ex ballers. There is even less connection than global warming which is to say less than none.

[rthoughton]

roids make good players great. the entire era can be questioned. regardless of dude or team or numbers.

[SamDiamond]

Nyet. No proven connection to steroids and brain cancer for Lyle. Simply not there. And simply no apparent health issues for recent users other than look banged up but that's generally true most ex ballers. There is even less connection than global warming which is to say less than none.

Except this pesky study.

Need more clinical proof?

http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/10/1576.full.pdf

[Lo$t]

Well then that's AROD's problem. His body. His choice. His consequences. I wouldn't take them. Everybody has a choice. Pro choice. Supreme Court said so.