Matt Harvey or Mike Trout? Who would you take?

Vinnie Paz · 08-01-13, 01:21 PM

Watermelons and coconuts guy

The fukk is this ?!

will2survive · 08-01-13, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Vinnie Paz

Watermelons and coconuts guy

The fukk is this ?!

Vinnie Paz: Did Haugen hit you in the noggin too many times? WTF you think that this is? Sports talk..

freeVICK · 08-01-13, 01:25 PM

seriously what a dumb question. they are both good. we get it

daneblazer · 08-01-13, 01:27 PM

Trout and it's not really that close

pavyracer · 08-01-13, 01:30 PM

There are 2 starting pitchers, 1 reliever and 2 position players on the Braves team that I can take to start a future team before I take Harvey or Trout.

gryfyn1 · 08-01-13, 01:44 PM

Take the Hitter; pitchers run such a super high risk of injury. Just look at Johan Santana, from 2004-2008 Santana hadn't missed a start, and had been the Best pitcher in baseball over a 5 year span, and was only 29. Not even two full years he career was all but done.

innovation · 08-01-13, 01:49 PM

I would take yadi molina on the DL before both.

jjgold · 08-01-13, 02:28 PM

Pitching wins
Not hitting

No brainer

Harvey

stevenash · 08-01-13, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Trout and it's not really that close

Trout is the right answer, Trout by miles.

Can Harvey play 140 games? Can Harvey hit 30 ding dongs, steal 40 bases, score 120 runs, drive in 90, mostly from the top of the order?
Can Harvey go over walls to rob homers?

Want to know how repected Trout is?
He was intentionally walked the other night in that Texas game.
What's the big deal with an IBB? There were men on first and second in a two run game. Texas IBB'ed Trout to load the bases in a 2 runs game to get to Trumbo. Why? Because Trout was four for four at that point with a walk and like 3 runs scored..............
The last time I saw somebody walked intentionally to load the bases was some scrub named Bonds.

Trout is in Miggy's class
Harvey is in Patrick Corbin's class

stevenash · 08-01-13, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by innovation

I would take yadi molina on the DL before both.

What can Molina do that Trout can't?
Now answer this, what can Trout do, that Molina can't?

innovation · 08-01-13, 02:49 PM

If you were starting a team of the future, who would it be?

I prefer to build a team around a catcher with experience and knowledge. My 2 cents.

stevenash · 08-01-13, 03:05 PM

^
And your 2 cents is respected.
Molina is on the DL now, because catchers are not built to play 130 games a season unless 40 of them are at DH (like Mauer) or first (like Mauer and sometimes Posey)

If Molina insists on catching, behind the plate catching, six games a week, he will always find himself on the DL.

Molina is in the class of Mauer and Posey as the best hitting catchers in the game, and is in a class with nobody else in regards to defensive catchers, which makes him the best overall catcher in the game.

TheLock · 08-01-13, 03:12 PM

Well timed thread.

He gave up 3 ER's in 5.2 innings against the anemic Marlins today.

Trout by eleventy billion miles.

stevenash · 08-01-13, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by TheLock

Well timed thread.

He gave up 3 ER's in 5.2 innings against the anemic Marlins today.

Trout by eleventy billion miles.

Scary, isn't it.
2013 is better than 2012 so far, and 2012 was a year for the ages.
Throw out 2011, he was 19 years old, part time call up.

2011	19	LAA	AL	40	135	123	20	27	6	0	5	16	4	0	9	30	.220	.281	.390	.672	89	48	2	2	1	0	897/D
2012	20	LAA	AL	139	639	559	*129*	182	27	8	30	83	49	5	67	139	.326	.399	.564	.963	169	315	7	6	7	4	*87/9	AS,MVP-2,RoY-1,SS
2013	21	LAA	AL	105	485	417	73	*137*	31	8	17	66	23	4	56	82	.329	.410	.564	.974	175	235	6	6	6	4	*87	AS
3 Yrs				284	1259	1099	222	346	64	16	52	165	76	9	132	251	.315	.391	.544	.935	163	598	15	14	14	8

gryfyn1 · 08-01-13, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Harvey is in Patrick Corbin's class

Thats a bit of an over statement. Harvey is amazingly good and while its hard to say how much of his decrease walk rate will stick even if it regresses hes an ace type pitcher. Corbin is just a right handed Wade Miley.

stevenash · 08-01-13, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by gryfyn1

Thats a bit of an over statement. Harvey is amazingly good and while its hard to say how much of his decrease walk rate will stick even if it regresses hes an ace type pitcher. Corbin is just a right handed Wade Miley.

Your opinion, and it's respected.

Harvey is better than Corbin, but not by much, Miley has back slided, he's not Corbin, but Miley is a live arm with a very bright future though

KingJD31 · 08-01-13, 03:35 PM

Harvey is a rifht handed randy Johnson, high 90s sharp 92mph slider and Harvey has a better changeup and his curve is filthy. So actually he's better

daneblazer · 08-01-13, 03:43 PM

New Yorkers going bananas over Harvey because they finally have a good home grown pitcher. Rightfully so, but put him on another team and he has 1/5th the hype.

I'd take Kershaw over him.

The thing about pitchers is that they lose velocity with age and basically have to "relearn" how to pitch since they can't blow the ball past hitters like they could when they were 21-28 years old. Some manage, some don't. Pitchers also have a much higher risk of injury. Tommy John is better now than what it use to be, but it still shelves a pitcher for a year or so. Any kind of shoulder injury is doom. Much less of a risk with hitters

ChalkyDog · 08-01-13, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by innovation

If you were starting a team of the future, who would it be?

I prefer to build a team around a catcher with experience and knowledge. My 2 cents.

Miguel Sano. Best prospect, IMO.

TheLock · 08-01-13, 03:47 PM

I'll take Jose Fernandez before I take Matt Harvey.

Fernandez turned 21 like a week ago.

stevenash · 08-01-13, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by KingJD31

Harvey is a rifht handed randy Johnson, high 90s sharp 92mph slider and Harvey has a better changeup and his curve is filthy. So actually he's better

You are a loyal Mets fan, I get that, and it's all good, loyalty is a good trait, but let's not be putting Harvey in the class of Unit for at least another 4 years. Randy Johnson is an all time great, was an all time great for 20 years, World Series hero, the accalades are endless, Harvey as fantastic as his first couple of years has been, can not be mentioned in same sentence as Randy Johnson.

Johnson struck out almost 5000 hitters, Johnson won four consecutive Cy Young awards, five overall.

Know who else won 4 consecutive Cy Youngs? Nobody

MoneyLineDawg · 08-01-13, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

There are 2 starting pitchers, 1 reliever and 2 position players on the Braves team that I can take to start a future team before I take Harvey or Trout.

TheLock · 08-01-13, 03:58 PM

Pavy gonna Pavy

konck · 08-01-13, 04:40 PM

Trout plays every day

offshore tyrant · 08-01-13, 06:29 PM

Trout without a doubt ! Dumb question.

Powderguy · 08-01-13, 06:32 PM

Trout.....seems like a no brainer no

face · 08-01-13, 06:36 PM

would take harvey in a second
jj said it best

Chi_archie · 08-01-13, 06:50 PM

Trout

TheLock · 08-02-13, 08:56 AM

Trouser Trout and its not close to a photo finish

konck · 08-02-13, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by konck

Trout plays every day

I was thinking about this last night I said Trout right away but after thinking It's a tough call I know heading into the Playoffs have Harvey pitch 3 times in a 7 game set would be huge so now I make this a toss up

konck · 08-02-13, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

You are a loyal Mets fan, I get that, and it's all good, loyalty is a good trait, but let's not be putting Harvey in the class of Unit for at least another 4 years. Randy Johnson is an all time great, was an all time great for 20 years, World Series hero, the accalades are endless, Harvey as fantastic as his first couple of years has been, can not be mentioned in same sentence as Randy Johnson.

Johnson struck out almost 5000 hitters, Johnson won four consecutive Cy Young awards, five overall.

Know who else won 4 consecutive Cy Youngs? Nobody

Johnson mostly struggled in Playoffs WS I think more in the WS....Lets not put Johnson in Harveys class yet

now thats a Mets fan

RavensFan2k3 · 08-02-13, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by innovation

If you were starting a team of the future, who would it be?

I prefer to build a team around a catcher with experience and knowledge. My 2 cents.

Interesting...care to share why?

easyliving · 08-02-13, 02:58 PM

even as a Mets fan Trout no doubt. Trout is out there everyday making an impact while Harvey only gets the ball every fifth day. However if it was a 5 or 7 game playoff series where the pitcher can make multiple starts on 4 days rest than it would be the pitcher without a doubt

Chi_archie · 08-02-13, 03:43 PM

the 7 game playoff scenario does add some thought to this.

but again, just looking at trying to win as many games out of the 162 to GET to the playoffs.

In 2012 Trout won a team 10.7 MORE games than an average replacement player

the best pitcher was Justin Verlander who won the Tigers 7.6 games more than an average replacement pitcher.

there were not even 10 total pitchers in NL and AL that had a WAR higher than 5.0

Trout would have more of an impact over 162 games.

Remember his 10.7 was put up over just 139 games, at a young age. When he hits his peak he might be putting up a few 12.0-15.0 WAR years