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how is that bad compared to burnetts contract or sabathias?Comment -
$15M a year for a 36 year old who has averaged 13.5 wins a season with the Dodgers?
Classic case of a team bidding against itself as the next best offer was 3yr/36M from the Mets.Comment -
Too much and too many years.Comment -
honestly dude, the wins dont matter
he pitches 6-7 innings everytime, saves the pen, gets groundballs, infielders love playing behind him. wins have very little to do with lowe. he is very solid. i like him a lot. how much should he have been paid? if burnett, who gets hurt every year, gets that money, then so should derek loweComment -
3/36 was a very fair offer.Comment -
18 of his 37 starts (49%) he went 6 innings or less.Comment -
so more than half went overComment -
i'd pay for a guy that went 6 innings or more everytime...but not only half the timeComment -
which is embarrassing when CC Sabathia went 6 innings or less only 10 out of 36 starts (28%).Comment -
Braves overpaid for Lowe, but who isn't overpaid now. 4 year deal is insane, he will be pretty much worthless by the end of his contract.Comment -
well at least its better then 90% of the contracts the pirates hand outComment -
guys, the Braves HAD to have somebody. They whiffed on Peavy, Burnett, and somone else that I dont remember. Plus, Lowe is a solid pitcher that never gets enough creditComment -
eh, he pitched in the most pitcher friendly ballpark in MLB so his numbers are skewed.
Look what happened to Chan Ho Park after he left the Dodgers with a huge contract. Got bombed.
He returned last season and had a great season again.
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chan ho got hurt all the time
derel lowe isnt chan hoComment -
Lowe is closer to chan ho then lowe will ever be to CC.....Comment -
not reallyComment -
Chan Ho never was hurt when he was with the Dodgers.
But father time gets us all... Lowe will be 40 in the final year of his contract.
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lowe never gets hurt
he throws 200 inings every year and starts like 30-35 games
if burnett gets 20 mil a yr, then lowe is worth what he just got
he isnt remotely comparable to chan ho park, you guys need to watch baseball moreComment -
no the argument is Lowe remotely comparable to CC next year
I'd say lowe next year is more comparable to park....Comment -
Originally posted by ryanXL977
you wanna pay for an innings eater? might as well pay Sabathia AND get a younger better pitcherComment -
Chan Ho had better numbers from '97-'01 than Lowe had in his 4 seasons with the Dodgers. And this was back in the era of juicing. Big difference was Chan Ho was 28 when he got that big contract from the Rangers.
Burnette went 18-10 with 231 strikeouts!!!!! Pitching 221 innings last season. Not to mention he's just 32 years of age. Of course he'll get more money... DUH!Comment -
lowe is a contact groundball pitcher, chan ho was not.
and burnett gets hurt all the time. lowes contract is better than burnetts. id rather have lowe at 15 than burnett at 20 or 21.
chan ho comparisons are not appropirate dude, they arent remotely similar. chan ho wasnt a sinkerballerComment -
Originally posted by daggerkobeeh, he pitched in the most pitcher friendly ballpark in MLB so his numbers are skewed.
Look what happened to Chan Ho Park after he left the Dodgers with a huge contract. Got bombed.
He returned last season and had a great season again.
great point
Lowe was 5-6 4.42 ERA 106 hits in 93.2 innings .292 opposing BA. away from home last year..
small sample size?
17-18 4.24 .273 BA on the road last 3 years...Comment -
Originally posted by ryanXL977
I don't care if you are a spit-ball, knuckle baller, sinker baller Jizz on the baller...
its the results that matter..and the results you expect in 4 years for this contract.....
YOU are the one that brought Sabathia into the argument...
tell me... will Lowe pitch closer to CC's results next year or Parks?Comment -
Doesn't matter what their pitching styles are. They both obviously benefited from pitching in a pitcher friendly ballpark.
Look at Lowe's road numbers and they aren't impressive at all.Comment -
Originally posted by Chi_archie
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I'd love to propose a wager on whether Lowe performed more akin to Park or Sabathia next year.
we can have the think tank crew come up with a way to standardize some stats, and come up with a way of rating whip, era, quality starts, innings per outing, we can even throw gb's/9 since that is sooooo important in Ryan's eyes...
whaddya think?Comment -
Originally posted by daggerkobe$15M a year for a 36 year old who has averaged 13.5 wins a season with the Dodgers?
Classic case of a team bidding against itself as the next best offer was 3yr/36M from the Mets.
you don't know much about bases i take it...this is the fair market value for a guy that DOES NOT GET HURT, never misses starts, and pitches above average...not everyone is johan santana....it is overpayment, but everyone in baseball is overpayed...Comment -
a below average SP makes a decent amount. I'm happy with the Lowe signing as a Braves fan. I wanted Lowe instead of Burnett to start with. I just wish we didnt trade for Javier Vasquez because we could have used those guys in a deal for Peavy
. Turner Field is a decent sized field as well.
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Don't mind the signing...but they won't get their money out of him.Comment -
Originally posted by SportsLockPicks
Yeah I and the 29 GMs that didnt offer him a contract or significantly less must not know much about baseball. Idiot.
If all starters pitched part time in 50% of their starts maybe he wouldnt get hurt either. Most of his part time starts came on the road when he got clobbered. No more pitcher friendly park for Mr bLowe againgst the weakest hitters in baseball in NL West. Now he has to face the Mets and the Phillies.
Stick to trying to scam people with ur shitty tout picks. You are clueless about all sports on or off the field.
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Lowe, like many sinkerballers, has high volatility. You can ride his ups and downs, and even better, sell runs to get better value in his individual games. Even Brandon Webb last year was like that. Having said that, I definitely think that before Lowe retires he will have a half-season or so where he is obviously done, but they stick with him a bit too long like they do with a lot of guys like him they give big contracts to, and he will be a good bet against in that period.Comment -
Yankees overpaid Burnett and Sabathia. Long term contracts for big money rarely work out for pitchers. Burnett has had a history of injury problems so I don't even know why the Yankees gave him that much to begin with anyways. Sabathia is a workhorse but how long can he sustain it? Johan was good for awhile in Minnesota but this he's the not the same pitcher he was a couple years back. I'd rather have Lowe knowing what you'll get from him than risk signing Burnett and getting possibly nothing. If Burnett stays healthy, more power to the Yankees, but I HIGHLY DOUBT that he'll last the whole year without hitting the DL once.Comment -
Not only is he losing a pitcher friendly park, the worst hitting division in baseball, but he's also losing a great bullpen.
Now he goes to a team with the worst bullpen in baseball meaning he has to work 8 innings every game against the best hitting division in the NL!!!
He faced either the Mets or Phils just once all last regular season now has to face them 7-8 times.
I guarantee this guy wont last all 4 seasons without going on the DL due to his age and that he has to work harder for thise wins.Comment
