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To attract public money. And it's working.
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Originally posted by Big BearTo attract public money. And it's working.
Money is on TampaComment -
yep 45% of it. other 55% is on the Jays.Originally posted by Ballerholic
not that it matter that much. its not a national tv game or anything and the money was all over the Reds yesterday and they still won.
But this is a bad spot for Toronto. Not many hitters square up pitches against Helickson.Comment -
Except for Bautista, hitting .467 off him (7-15) with 2 HRsOriginally posted by Big BearComment -
i would probably pitch around him and take my chances with Edwin.Originally posted by secueritaeComment -
Originally posted by Big Bear
my source shows the exact opposite. 45% on bjays 55% on tampa....Comment -
I see tampa at 55% at vegasinsider and even tampa as favorites on scores and odds, even though they are 97% thereComment -
It's a trap smokey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Comment -
907 TOR +105 -200 8.5 +121 +195 8.5 +100 -180 8 +120 -175 8.5 46% 3% 87% 908 TAM -115 +175 -131 -220 -120 +160 -130 +155 54% 97% 13% Comment -
this just changed recently ... money pouring in on tampa as we speak.Comment -
lolol 11-0 and public taking slumping Tampa...once again i will be on jays Ml and runline until they show me that they are capable of losing a gameComment -
Tampa -1.5 +163 & parlay it with the PHI/SD u 6.5 -110...
All you need tonightComment -
jays opened as dogs a couple days ago at home to the O's and they got the W. I took the +105 and doubled up easily.
you guys read into the line to much. pick the team you think wins and dont look back.
i wouldnt bet against a team as hot as the jays right now. predicting when they lose is not very smart but go ahead.Comment -
Ticklz, I forgot to mention yesterday I was going to the game, well, didn't forget, just didn't have time, woke up too late. 5-0 now for me, 6-1 for you. Let's continue that trendOriginally posted by ticklzComment -
Jays have never hit Hellickson well outside of Batista, he has eight starts against them since 2011 and had never allowed more than three earned runs.Comment -
Originally posted by ridims
I think Tampa wins, so I picked them.Comment -
12 in a row would be insanely sick.Comment -
Hellick has done good against the Jays in his career but this 2013 Hellick is far from the Hellick in years past.Comment -
TB easy. Hellboy owns the jaysComment -
good luck..Originally posted by Grizzlies918
one of us will definately winComment -
Originally posted by Gus Fring
the rays lost both hellickson starts against the rays this year...Comment -
ill be on the jays tonight. just think Tampa is one of the teams the jays have to catch up to, Jay are going to be playing lots of divisional rivals games they really have to win to stand a chance. seen Rogers pitch twice has great stuff.... good bowl pen and lastly ride the winning streak .......... lets go bjs +120 good luck tonight.Comment -
Those % mean nothing.Originally posted by Big BearComment -
interesting Stat. didnt know the Rays played the Rays this yr yet good to knowOriginally posted by jocoComment -
u know what i meant smartassComment -
He was just as good vs. Jays this year, allowed two runs and only four hits in eight innings before bullpen blew the lead.Originally posted by jamt31Comment -
Both lose....sorry.Originally posted by Louisvillekid1Comment -
Deuced are you related to the poster Deuce?Comment -
Let me get this straight, you guys are going against a team with an 11 game winstreak on the back of a pitcher that has a 5.5ERA and a team 5-10 in their last 15 returning home from a road trip?
This is overanalyzing 101. True on paper Hellickson stacks up well, but if the plays on paper always cashed the books would be empty.
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Hell boy has won 3 out of his last 4 starts.Originally posted by OhMyEliLet me get this straight, you guys are going against a team with an 11 game winstreak on the back of a pitcher that has a 5.5ERA and a team 5-10 in their last 15 returning home from a road trip?
This is overanalyzing 101. True on paper Hellickson stacks up well, but if the plays on paper always cashed the books would be empty.
Hellickson has good stuff. He keeps hitters off balance. He is much better than Freddy GarciaComment -
Game ends in a tieComment -
The difference with Hellickson this year is that he is using a two seamer more and is using both the cutter and the change as out pitches.
He is down almost 2 MPH across the board on all five pitches and rarely gets past 100 pitches. I don't think he is very strong and may be a bit sore.
Unfortunately the Jays struggle badly against the change and cutter rarely making solid contact. They may keep it going but may have to get into the bullpen here to do it, as mentioned Helly ain't going to go more than 100, maybe 5 or 6 depending on how efficient he is.Comment -
Edwin isn't exactly horsecrap against Hellickson, he's 6 for 23 (.261) with a ding dong.Originally posted by Big Bear
Then you have to face Adam Lind, who's having a career year, because of Joey Bats and Edwin in front of him. Lind's across the board numbers this year are rock-solid, .337 10-30, eye popping .402 OBA, and just as important hits Hellickson hard, 5 for 15, (.333) two of the five hits are roped doubles, 3 RBI's, 2 walks, which translates into a .412 OBA v. Hellickson.
After that tonight you got Arencebia, who also rakes Hellickson, 5 for 17 (.294) lifetime says so.
JP is one of the better hitting catchers in the AL, and has home run pop.
By the time you get to the soft spot of the Jay line up, the damage might already be done.
This line up should, operative word being should, torch Hellickson tongiht
Melky Cabrera LF
Jose Bautista RF
Edwin Encarnacion DH
Adam Lind 1B
Colby Rasmus CF
J.P. Arencibia C
Maicer Izturis 3B
Emilio Bonifacio 2B
Munenori Kawasaki SS
(Esmil Rogers P)
Edwin Encarnacion 24 23 6 2 0 1 1 1 2 .261 .292 .478 .770 0 0 0 0 0 Colby Rasmus 21 20 4 2 0 1 2 1 5 .200 .238 .450 .688 0 0 0 0 0 J.P. Arencibia 18 17 5 1 0 0 1 1 3 .294 .333 .353 .686 0 0 0 0 0 Jose Bautista 18 15 7 1 1 2 3 3 3 .467 .556 1.067 1.622 0 0 0 0 0 Adam Lind 17 15 5 2 0 0 3 2 4 .333 .412 .467 .878 0 0 0 0 0 Maicer Izturis 12 12 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 .167 .167 .167 .333 0 0 0 0 0 Melky Cabrera 8 8 4 1 0 0 1 0 1 .500 .500 .625 1.125 0 0 0 0 0 Rajai Davis 8 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 .125 .125 .125 .250 0 0 0 0 0 Munenori Kawasaki 5 4 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 .250 .400 .250 .650 0 0 0 0 0 Josh Thole 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 Total 133 124 35 9 1 4 11 9 24 .282 .331 .468 .799 0 0 0 0 0
Tampa Bay has never faced Rogers as a starter.
Rogers is having a decent year so far, 3.14 ERA and a 1.21 WH/IP ratio is solid, especially in the big bat division, but take those numbers with a little grain of salt, this is only Rogers 5th start this season, he's relieved in 27 games this year, so he's not a long distance guy, he should give the Jays six good innings.
So expect to see Brett Cecil, whose numbers in relief this season are outstanding, and maybe Loup and Delabar, who ain't exactly chopped liver.
On paper, and games are played on grass, not paper, I get that, but on paper, the logical play is to ride the Jays again.
The 'Jays are due to lose theory' have sunk a lot of bankrolls the past few days, no reason to fade them again tonight.
Jays or nothing is the playComment -
is this a big play for you nashy ?Comment
