Is CP3 the answer for the Knicks?

easyliving · 06-11-13, 03:06 PM

Paul has said in previous years that he wanted to play in New York. With Kidd retiring and Prigioni probably not returning Knicks definitely need another point guard and they would be foolish not to go after Paul. The only problem is whether Paul would be willing to leave the Clippers.

TwoWays · 06-11-13, 03:09 PM

lol, wishful thinking. You a whole lotta salary space first.

saints1856 · 06-11-13, 03:10 PM

Not a chance in hell. You think they can just waive (or dump, or amnesty - whatever you wanna call it) all those hefty contracts?? Knicks don't have the cap space for a big time free agent.

MoneyLineDawg · 06-11-13, 03:36 PM

Salary Cap Bro

Chuck Beezy · 06-11-13, 03:40 PM

Is he? Yes.

Will he? No.

He has free reign in LA to tell the Clippers what to do, who to get etc.

konck · 06-11-13, 04:02 PM

Im thinking the only one the Knicks cant unload is dudamre Felton and Smith should be ez to move creating space and if not pay the penalty fuk it win.

Chuck Beezy · 06-11-13, 04:04 PM

All the Knicks need to do is get rid of Amare.

gryfyn1 · 06-11-13, 04:10 PM

seriously; do people have zero understanding of how NBA salaries work??

BennyBigNuts · 06-11-13, 04:10 PM

Everyone in here is pretty much wrong.
Can the Knicks get him? DEFINITELY
Should they? DEFINITELY
Is he returning to the CLippers? DEFINITELY NOT.

Knicks would have to make moves but can easily make this happen if they really want to.
Felton had a career year and can be moved.
The only thing is if they deal Felton teams are going to want Shumpert as part of the package most likely. And the Knicks should let him go even though he's a major defensive asset.

You're gonna hear this talk stir up a lot harder in a few weeks.
Everyone knows Paul already wants to play with Melo.
Anyone with any sense should see this coming.

I'd say there's a 30-40% chance the Knicks get him if Melo is pushing for it.
There's only about a 5% chance he's a clipper next year, unless someone like Phil Jackson were to take the coaching job. Look for the Mavs to be the most likely contender for him though.

gryfyn1 · 06-11-13, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by BennyBigNuts

Everyone in here is pretty much wrong.
Can the Knicks get him? DEFINITELY
Should they? DEFINITELY
Is he returning to the CLippers? DEFINITELY NOT.

Knicks would have to make moves but can easily make this happen if they really want to.
Felton had a career year and can be moved.
The only thing is if they deal Felton teams are going to want Shumpert as part of the package most likely. And the Knicks should let him go even though he's a major defensive asset.

You're gonna hear this talk stir up a lot harder in a few weeks.
Everyone knows Paul already wants to play with Melo.
Anyone with any sense should see this coming.

I'd say there's a 30-40% chance the Knicks get him if Melo is pushing for it.
There's only about a 5% chance he's a clipper next year, unless someone like Phil Jackson were to take the coaching job. Look for the Mavs to be the most likely contender for him though.

Felton's salary is irrelevant to thier ability to get CP3, even they dumped Felton for nothing they wouldn't be anywhere remotely close to being able to sign him

BennyBigNuts · 06-11-13, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by gryfyn1

Felton's salary is irrelevant to thier ability to get CP3, even they dumped Felton for nothing they wouldn't be anywhere remotely close to being able to sign him

Not true.
It can easily happen sir with some moves. As long as Felton is involved in the deal or by some longshot some team would take that piece of shit Amare.

MoneyLineDawg · 06-11-13, 04:58 PM

They would need to completely blow up the team and get rid of any good or decent assets they have in the process besides Melo.....It's not realistic at all

TwoWays · 06-11-13, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by BennyBigNuts

Not true.
It can easily happen sir with some moves. As long as Felton is involved in the deal or by some longshot some team would take that piece of shit Amare.

lol, ya, let's see those, oh, what moves can they make, and with which teams.

Chuck Beezy · 06-11-13, 05:03 PM

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Ship Amare to Charlotte for cap space.

Bluehorseshoe · 06-11-13, 05:13 PM

Novak 3.7M/3.4M,
Camby 4.4M/4.1M
Amare 45M.

Awesome signings.

TwoWays · 06-11-13, 05:21 PM

You can trade Melo for Paul, I guess. Or Chandler + sides for Paul.

Chuck Beezy · 06-11-13, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe

Novak 3.7M/3.4M,
Camby 4.4M/4.1M
Amare 45M.

Awesome signings.

Lol

Only decent contracts are JR and Shump.

BennyBigNuts · 06-11-13, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Chuck Beezy

Lol

Only decent contracts are JR and Shump.

JR is a free agent but he's a lock to stay with the Knicks and he's gonna be a cheap price also.
Shump is the guy teams will want in deals so you have to take the good with the bad. Shump/Amare or Shump/Felton Shump/Felton/Novak.
Felton isn't bad really lots of teams will want him after the year he had last season.

Bluehorseshoe · 06-11-13, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by BennyBigNuts

JR is a free agent but he's a lock to stay with the Knicks and he's gonna be a cheap price also.
Shump is the guy teams will want in deals so you have to take the good with the bad. Shump/Amare or Shump/Felton Shump/Felton/Novak.
Felton isn't bad really lots of teams will want him after the year he had last season.

But you have to watch out for JR. Rumor is he has a problem with the nose candy.

face · 06-11-13, 05:56 PM

too man ghetto guys that are dumb as fuk

blow up the team

konck · 06-11-13, 11:02 PM

Here's an article that explains how the Knicks get CP3It is possible for the Knicks to acquire Chris Paul in a sign-and-trade agreement as long as, after the trade, their payroll is less than the apron amount. Since this restriction applies AFTER the trade is completed, we’re really asking whether it is possible to complete a sign-and-trade where the Knicks finish with a payroll below $76 million.
The math is straightforward. To get from their projected $76.7 million to $76 million while adding Paul, the Knicks would have to send out at least $700,000 more than they take back. Paul is eligible to earn a first-year salary of $18.7 million, and is likely to want to maximize his earning potential wherever he goes.
In other words, if Paul is to be paid his maximum first-year salary, the Knicks would have to send out $19.4 million in the trade, and doing so would be difficult (more on that in a bit).
If, however, Paul was willing to accept a lower salary—say $15 million—then the Knicks would only have to send out $15.7 million in salaries.
Since Paul is a free-agent, he could, in theory, accept less money than he is eligible for, and doing so could help to facilitate the deal.

Scenario A: If Paul wanted his max. salary, the Clippers would have to take back $19.4 million worth of salaries from the Knicks. The toughest part for the Knicks would be finding $19.4 million worth of salary that the Clippers would want to take back in return.
If the Clippers were willing to take Amar’e Stoudemire and his $21.7M salary for Paul, the trade would work, easily. But that is not likely.
That is why Chandler would have to go in any Paul deal. Again, it’s math.
Chandler will earn $14.1M next season. Mathematically, it would be impossible for the Knicks to send the Clippers $19.4 million without including Chandler. Even with him in the deal, the Clippers would have to accept at least two of the following players to get to $19.4 million and make the salaries match: Felton, Camby, Novak, Kidd and Iman Shumpert.
Of those players, Felton and Shumpert are probably the best values, and it is likely that, if forced to choose from that pool, the Clippers would want them.
Is Paul worth Chandler, Felton and Shumpert? Especially if J.R. Smith bolted via free agency?
Again, not my decision to make, but since we are talking about possibilities, you should know that it is possible that Paul would cost that much.
If Paul agreed to accept $15 million instead of his max. of $18.7 million, the Knicks would only need to send the Clippers $15.7 million in the trade.
That is a more manageable number. But again, even in such an instance, Chandler would have to go. The bright side (for the Knicks) is that the deal could happen with only one additional player from the Felton, Camby, Novak, Kidd and Shumpert pool.
Scenario B: Before executing their trade with the Clippers, the Knicks could trim their payroll by executing a separate trade with a team under the salary cap. A team under the salary cap could receive a player from the Knicks without the Knicks having to accept a player in return.
In theory, such a move could reduce the Knicks payroll (without Smith) from $76.7 million to somewhere closer to $72-$74 million—depending on whom they trade.
Though the difference does not seem great, every little bit counts here, especially since Paul will probably want to maximize his earning potential.
If done, the amount the Clippers would need to take back in the trade would be reduced.
Scenario C: Pretty much the same as Scenario A, except that the Knicks could turn this into a multi-team trade that ends up with them getting Paul. Though it would be easy to find a team that is interested in Chandler, the Knicks would still have to send out at least $700,000 more in salaries than they were acquiring because, again, they would have to be under the apron after the trade was completed.
At the End of the Day…
- There is a huge difference between “possible” and “impossible” and between ”probable” and “improbable.” At the end of the day, few things are actually impossible; we just tend to designate things that are highly improbable as being impossible. Our purpose here was mainly to address whether or not it is possible for the Knicks to acquire Paul in a sign-and-trade arrangement.
The answer to that question is yes — it is possible.
- There are a lot of unknowns here. We do not know what the luxury tax threshold will be. We do not know if Smith will opt out of his contract. We do not know if Paul would be willing to accept less than his maximum salary. Heck, we do not even know if the Clippers would be willing to entertain the idea of trading Paul.
- By rule, any sign-and-trade deal must be at least three years in length. For those wondering if Paul could take a very low salary on a one-year deal to help facilitate the trade and then re-sign a max. deal with the Knicks next summer after playing one season for them, the answer is no.
- By rule, the most Paul could receive in a sign-and-trade deal is a four year deal worth about $80 million—the same he would be eligible for if he signed outright with a team with cap room. Under the 2011 CBA, you can no longer be signed-and-traded and still get a five-year deal.
- Paul’s max. deal with the Clippers is five years, $107.5 million. So, even if the Knicks and Clippers were able to come to terms on an agreement, Paul would have to leave at least $27.5 million on the table this summer. That is very risky. He would have to really, really want to be a Knick.