Bob Stoops should be fired!!

[Illusion]

Bob Stoops is 1-3 in title games. He simply can not win the big one.

[bigboydan]

I disagree ILL. He won a national championship and made it to the big game how many times now? If you want to go on that aspect of things, one could say the same thing about Pete Carrol.

[seaborneq]

OU wins it all next year. He will be fine. The Big12 is in trouble next year. 60 points every game.

[tullamore]

I disagree ILL. He won a national championship and made it to the big game how many times now? If you want to go on that aspect of things, one could say the same thing about Pete Carrol.

To me just making it to a national title game is not that much of an accomplishment. It is so subjective who gets to play for the title, with the bcs formula. You cant give Stoops credit because he lost earlier in the season than some of this other teams.

[EBone]

Ill,

I think the world of you and your selections but you are wrong here. Stoops put together a fantastic defensive gameplan. If you would have told me at 6:45 CT that Oklahoma only scores 14 points, then I get on Florida. That's the one that baffles me. Stoops, to me, had the right gameplan. It is either, the Florida defense made them awful or the Oklahoma offense made too many mistakes. To me, the latter is the answer.



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[Illusion]

Stoops is a great coach, but he struggles in the big one. Defend his 1-3 record in title games.

[EBone]

Ill,

I understand what you are saying. He was favored in the USC game and favored in the LSU game. 2 of those games Stoops has not come out with the "A" game. I agree with that.

But, as a dog, he has been prepared. The FSU game back in 2000 or 2001 was a walk with, of all QB's, Josh Heupel. Tonight, he was prepared. You just cant walk away from two drives within the 10 yard line and get no points. I don't think you can blame Stoops for that. Florida made a helluva play on the 4th and goal and Bradford made a poor decision at the end of the 1st half. To me, that is just the luck of the draw. My take is that Stoops was prepared tonight. His team was prepared tonight. The lack of points twice inside the 10 yard line was the doom. Florida is too good to let that happen. Easy to say after the fact but that is how I feel.


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[The Seer]

OU wins it all next year. He will be fine. The Big12 is in trouble next year. 60 points every game.

Let's don't forget Florida returns every single player on Defense plus I'm sure Tebow will beback. It won't matter if Bradford comes back or not.

[yisman]

Illusion, you're off base on this one.

He's done a good job with the program.

He may have a problem with being outgameplanned by elite coaches, but if the program fired him, they'd go downhill quickly.

[MJFtheGenius]

Oklahoma was supposed to lose

[onlooker]

It is either, the Florida defense made them awful or the Oklahoma offense made too many mistakes. To me, the latter is the answer.

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Florida did stop them twice inside the 5. So I would say the Florida Defense made that Offense of Oklahoma look awful. In return, forced Oklahoma into mistakes.

[EBone]

Looker,

It comes down to play calling. In hind sight, the quick snap on an off-tackle play seems a bit desperate. Is that a Stoops problem? My answer is NO. This is an OC problem. I guess you can blame this on Stoops since he did hire the guy.


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[onlooker]

Looker,

It comes down to play calling. In hind sight, the quick snap on an off-tackle play seems a bit desperate. Is that a Stoops problem? My answer is NO. This is an OC problem. I guess you can blame this on Stoops since he did hire the guy.


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That hurry up did get them down to the goal line pretty quick, but I do think they should of took their time while down there. They didn't want to because they didn't want Florida to get set, but it back fired anyway.

[The Seer]

Looker,

It comes down to play calling. In hind sight, the quick snap on an off-tackle play seems a bit desperate. Is that a Stoops problem? My answer is NO. This is an OC problem. I guess you can blame this on Stoops since he did hire the guy.


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Stoops can override any play and didn't so he must have agreed with it.

[EBone]

I understand getting there but this is the red zone. Ask the St. Louis Rams how hard it is to get the TD in the red zone. Josh Brown was their most valuable player.

My thought is this: you can certainly be manic and unpredictable until you get down to the red zone. Once in the red zone, you gotta change gears. There are too many people in a smaller area to be calling plays off the cuff.

I understand your point. But, to me, red zone offense means more than any part of a football game. If you can't score touchdowns in the red zone, you will lose.



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[EBone]

Stoops can override any play and didn't so he must have agreed with it.

Not necessarily on a quick snap. Any other time I would agree with you but not on this one. It's too quick from my perspective.



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[The Seer]

I understand getting there but this is the red zone. Ask the St. Louis Rams how hard it is to get the TD in the red zone. Josh Brown was their most valuable player.

My thought is this: you can certainly be manic and unpredictable until you get down to the red zone. Once in the red zone, you gotta change gears. There are too many people in a smaller area to be calling plays off the cuff.

I understand your point. But, to me, red zone offense means more than any part of a football game. If you can't score touchdowns in the red zone, you will lose.



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which is a huge problem with the spread the way oklahoma runs it. There is no way to spread the defense out down there. Florida has an option game built into theirs which makes it more effective and hard to defend. There are more peoplet to acct for including the QB. They can still play smash mouth out of it. I have had to draw up defenses time and time again and would much rather have to prepare for Ok inside the 10 than Florida.

[The Seer]

Not necessarily on a quick snap. Any other time I would agree with you but not on this one. It's too quick from my perspective.



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trust me he hears the play at the same time ANYONE does, including whoever signals it in. He knew EXactly what they were running. He has on the exact same headset. The plays come from upstairs.

[ritehook]

Stoops has clear problems in motivating players in non-title games, but still would have no problem getting work elsewhere should OK be foolish enough to can him.

As one poster said, they were dogs, not supposed to win. 2nd best offensive player Murray out for game. Can't fire Stoops for this loss. And they won't.

[EBone]

which is a huge problem with the spread the way oklahoma runs it. There is no way to spread the defense out down there. Florida has an option game built into theirs which makes it more effective and hard to defend. There are more peoplet to acct for including the QB. They can still play smash mouth out of it. I have had to draw up defenses time and time again and would much rather have to prepare for Ok inside the 10 than Florida.

Here's my point: Loadholt is the biggest tackle in college football. They tried to run behind him on the 4th and goal play. Loadholt wasnt the problem. The nose tackle for Florida made the play on a quick snap where the blocking is the center's responsibility. To me, you cannot blame the spread offense when you are going behind the biggest tackle in college football out of the I. This is traditional jam it down your throat football and, simply, the center missed the block due to a manic quick snap. My opinion......watch it on the replay.



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[EBone]

Stoops has clear problems in motivating players in non-title games, but still would have no problem getting work elsewhere should OK be foolish enough to can him.

As one poster said, they were dogs, not supposed to win. 2nd best offensive player Murray out for game. Can't fire Stoops for this loss. And they won't.

ritehook,

I contend that the problem tonight was not a lack of motivation. Oklahoma was prepared and played very well defensively from my point of view. Oklahoma's problem was on offense. I just think that missed opportunities cost them the cover. No doubt that Florida is a good team but, to me, Oklahoma had their chances and blew it.


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[The Seer]

I will have to look at it again but on that play (if I remember correctly what they were in) out of that formation the LBs would key the triangle with the fullback being the true read there. This is linebacking 101. It was basically saying here is what we are going to do and we think our personnel is better than yours. They were wrong. The guy might be the biggest but can easily get whipped against a better athlete with proper leverage. They wouldn't have scored on that play 3 out4 times. This is not Baylor they are playing here.

[VegasDave]

Funny that Ohio State has a reputation for always losing the big game, yet Oklahoma seems to get a free pass every year.

[onlooker]

Yeah, it should of been 24-20. At least kick field goals down that deep. That would of gave some Oklahoma backers the cover.

[onlooker]

Funny that Ohio State has a reputation for always losing the big game, yet Oklahoma seems to get a free pass every year.

Because everyone knows how bad the Big Eleven is. That conference should be a mid-major in football.

[The Seer]

r No doubt that Florida is a good team but, to me, Oklahoma had their chances and blew it.


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You can watch the tape 10 times over but the fact of the matter is Florida has better athletes on defense than OK has on offense, plain and simple. Ok had not faced a defense like that all season. The way OK runs the spread is finesse. Florida has played physical football all season. THat has been one of the deciding factors the last 2 championships plus this one. What is scary is that they are all underclassmen on FL's D..

[EBone]

I will have to look at it again but on that play (if I remember correctly what they were in) out of that formation the LBs would key the triangle with the fullback being the true read there. This is linebacking 101. It was basically saying here is what we are going to do and we think our personnel is better than yours. They were wrong. The guy might be the biggest but can easily get whipped against a better athlete with proper leverage. They wouldn't have scored on that play 3 out4 times. This is not Baylor they are playing here.

"We think your personnel is better than yours"......absolutely. Yes, I totally agree. If the center gets time to make the block, Loadholt does his job and all Brown has to do is beat the linebacker in a 2 yard race with a head of steam. My only point is this: give your biggest asset, your offensive line, time to make the proper blocks. Manic playcalling on the goal line is dicey in my opinion. Again, I'll say that it is easy to say this after the fact but I "calls them as I sees them".


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[EBone]

You can watch the tape 10 times over but the fact of the matter is Florida has better athletes on defense than OK has on offense, plain and simple. Ok had not faced a defense like that all season. The way OK runs the spread is finesse. Florida has played physical football all season. THat has been one of the deciding factors the last 2 championships plus this one. What is scary is that they are all underclassmen on FL's D..

I'm not saying that Florida is not talented on defense. It is clear tonight that Florida's defense was up to the task. But, if you have the biggest offensive line in college football and you don't utilize them properly on the goal line, I think it calls into question the choice of quick snapping rather than going on a traditional count. By the way, I applaude Stoops call for going for it on 4th and goal. He is trying to win the game. Field goals would have gotten me the cover but I appreciate his aggressiveness. More coaches should be like that. This is a fight. Who is tougher should be the winner.



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[The Seer]

"We think your personnel is better than yours"......absolutely. Yes, I totally agree. If the center gets time to make the block, Loadholt does his job and all Brown has to do is beat the linebacker in a 2 yard race with a head of steam. My only point is this: give your biggest asset, your offensive line, time to make the proper blocks. Manic playcalling on the goal line is dicey in my opinion. Again, I'll say that it is easy to say this after the fact but I "calls them as I sees them".


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There is an old saying that coaches say about offensive linemen and that is this, "If they were such great athletes then they would be playing on the other side of the ball." Go to any D1 or highly competitive programs and watch the one on ones. The top D linemen whip the top O linemen 7 out of 10 times. That is why they are on defense. This is why it is hard for college or pro team s to score on the goal line unless they use some type of play action pass, etc. Anything more than a yard is tough.

[EBone]

Because everyone knows how bad the Big Eleven is. That conference should be a mid-major in football.

Certainly, the Big 12 has been exposed as to how good they are. Up and down, there is no question about that.

However, I don't think you can say that they are worst than the MAC or even the Big 10 for that matter. I would go so far to say that the Sun Belt could be competitive with the Big 10.


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[onlooker]

Certainly, the Big 12 has been exposed as to how good they are. Up and down, there is no question about that.

However, I don't think you can say that they are worst than the MAC or even the Big 10 for that matter. I would go so far to say that the Sun Belt could be competitive with the Big 10.


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I am referring to the Big Ten, but call them the Big Eleven because of the amount of teams in the conference.

[EBone]

There is an old saying that coaches say about offensive linemen and that is this, "If they were such great athletes then they would be playing on the other side of the ball." Go to any D1 or highly competitive programs and watch the one on ones. The top D linemen whip the top O linemen 7 out of 10 times. That is why they are on defense. This is why it is hard for college or pro team s to score on the goal line unless they use some type of play action pass, etc. Anything more than a yard is tough.

Normally, I would agree with that statement but not with Loadholt. This is a future All Pro in the NFL. O Lineman are basically big bodies with not much talent. In Loadholt's case, I see him as a future Orlando Pace. He is the 3 out of 10 exception in your example.


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[EBone]

I am referring to the Big Ten, but call them the Big Eleven because of the amount of teams in the conference.

Understood. By the way, this is a good conversation. I appreciate the respectful yet spirited discussion we are having (Seer, Looker, Ill).


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[The Seer]

Normally, I would agree with that statement but not with Loadholt. This is a future All Pro in the NFL. O Lineman are basically big bodies with not much talent. In Loadholt's case, I see him as a future Orlando Pace. He is the 3 out of 10 exception in your example.


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Let's remember pass blocking and run blocking are two totally different techniques. Most guys do one better than the other.

[EBone]

Let's remember pass blocking and run blocking are two totally different techniques. Most guys do one better than the other.

Sure. But wouldn't you agree that most O Lineman do run blocking better than pass blocking? There has to be a reason why Oklahoma was running that 4th and goal behind Loadholt. I dont' want to claim that I know the reason why. I don't. My guess is that Loadholt is their best O Lineman and that run blocking comes easier than pass blocking for, not only him, but the majority of O Linemen.


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