Has there been a better hitter than Miguel Cabrera?

[Andy117]

how does steroids help with the ability to connect the bat with the ball?

Increased bat speed, can wait longer on pitches.

[Andy117]

Exactly, Ted Williams doesn't edge Pujols by a great deal even though he played in an era where pitchers were far inferior to what they are today. There were no 'four pitch' pitchers back in the 40's, there were no advanced metrics, zone scouting reports to capitalize on hitter weaknesses like today.

Pujols and Miggy have done what they've done in spite of the best technology in the world trying to game-plan against them. Ted Williams would have some Joe Schmoe opposing him on the mound who would just get told 'go get 3 by ole Teddy' and that was his scouting report.

No comparison.

If Ted Williams played in todays era he would have Ichiro/Tony Gwynn type numbers at best, possibly a high average but he would lose most of his power numbers trying to compensate for pitchers that actually have a repetiore and can focus on his weaknesses.

Ted Williams was a student of the game, he would have been able to take advantage of that technology as well. He'd have been a legendary hitter at any time period.

[Smoke]

G.o.a.t.

[Andy117]

Chipper Jones

No. Great player, not better than Cabrera.

[Andy117]

Maybe only Pete Rose and a few others but the quality of pitchers now is as good or better than before so it's hard to appreciate the context of his 11 seasons

Pete Rose was a compiler and is not in the same class as Cabrera.

[darrell74]

the barry bonds sh!+ was funny to those of us wuho follow bases, however

[You mad bro]

miggy cant shine mantles shoes

[BuddyBear]

miggy cant shine mantles shoes

LOL...don't watch baseball very closely do you?

Another guy who yearns for the old days with some misguided nostalgia.

[face]

. . nvrmind

[HOT WINGS]

Miggy is just unreal right now. Its like he's out there playing slow pitch softball. Yard again.

[stevenash]

LOL...don't watch baseball very closely do you?

Another guy who yearns for the old days with some misguided nostalgia.

Mantle was one of the fastest ever (look it up) going from first to third.
Played stellar outfield. Too bad he tore up his knee in that drain pipe, his numbers would have been even better.

[stevenash]

Miggy is just unreal right now. Its like he's out there playing slow pitch softball. Yard again.

Yeah, do the math, 14-54-.390 off the chart .462 (almost half his PA's result with him getting on) at the quarter poll.
Those are superman numbers.

I pray to God he isn't juicing or HGH or something.

[face]

they do random testing in mlb now, i'm sure they've tested miggy. one of the padres got busted a little while ago

[stevenash]

2003	20	FLA	NL	87	346	314	39	84	21	3	12	62	0	2	25	84	.268	.325	.468	.793	106	147	12	2	4	1	3	75	MVP-27,RoY-5
2004	21	FLA	NL	160	685	603	101	177	31	1	33	112	5	2	68	148	.294	.366	.512	.879	130	309	20	6	0	8	5	*97/D	AS,MVP-22
2005	22	FLA	NL	158	685	613	106	198	43	2	33	116	1	0	64	125	.323	.385	.561	.947	151	344	20	2	0	6	12	*75	AS,MVP-5,SS
2006	23	FLA	NL	158	676	576	112	195	50	2	26	114	9	6	86	108	.339	.430	.568	.998	159	327	18	10	0	4	27	*5/D	AS,MVP-5,SS
2007	24	FLA	NL	157	680	588	91	188	38	2	34	119	2	1	79	127	.320	.401	.565	.965	150	332	17	5	1	7	23	*5/D	AS,MVP-15
2008	25	DET	AL	160	684	616	85	180	36	2	37	127	1	0	56	126	.292	.349	.537	.887	130	331	16	3	0	9	6	*35/D	MVP-13
2009	26	DET	AL	160	685	611	96	198	34	0	34	103	6	2	68	107	.324	.396	.547	.942	144	334	22	5	0	1	14	*3/D	MVP-4
2010	27	DET	AL	150	648	548	111	180	45	1	38	126	3	3	89	95	.328	.420	.622	1.042	178	341	17	3	0	8	32	*3/D	AS,MVP-2,SS
2011	28	DET	AL	161	688	572	111	197	48	0	30	105	2	1	108	89	.344	.448	.586	1.033	179	335	24	3	0	5	22	*3/D	AS,MVP-5
2012	29	DET	AL	161	697	622	109	205	40	0	44	139	4	1	66	98	.330	.393	.606	.999	164	377	28	3	0	6	17	*5/D3	AS,MVP-1,SS
2013	30	DET	AL	44	207	181	37	70	13	1	13	52	1	0	23	25	.387	.459	.685	1.144	201	124	5	2	0	1	4	*5
11 Yrs				1556	6681	5844	998	1872	399	14	334	1175	34	18	732	1132	.320	.397	.565	.961	152	3301	199	44	5	56	165
162 Game Avg.				162	696	608	104	195	42	1	35	122	4	2	76	118	.320	.397	.565	.961	152	344	21	5	1	6	17
DET (6 yrs)				836	3609	3150	549	1030	216	4	196	652	17	7	410	540	.327	.404	.585	.989	161	1842	112	19	0	30	95
FLA (5 yrs)				720	3072	2694	449	842	183	10	138	523	17	11	322	592	.313	.388	.542	.929	143	1459	87	25	5	26	70
AL (6 yrs)				836	3609	3150	549	1030	216	4	196	652	17	7	410	540	.327	.404	.585	.989	161	1842	112	19	0	30	95
NL (5 yrs)				720	3072	2694	449	842	183	10	138	523	17	11	322	592	.313	.388	.542	.929	143	1459	87	25	5	26	70

[Boner_18]

Herman "Babe" Ruth... If you have to ask you know nothing of baseball.

[Itsamazing777]

Lol if you think babe Ruth would be as good today against modern pitchers.
it wasn't really a question, lol.

[detroitlionsfan]

no one even close right now

hes in a tier of his own

[2daBank]

they do random testing in mlb now, i'm sure they've tested miggy. one of the padres got busted a little while ago

please dont tell me you think "random testing" stops, prevents, or even catches the majority..hell i get "randomly tested" for narcotics and while my test always comes back clean i can assure you i rarely am, and that test happens while im in fact dirty.

peds different in the sense that you dont have to have them in your system or have elevated levels of testosterone during the season to benefit from them, real easy for a guy to run a cycle of something for 10 weeks of the offseason and be totally "clean" during testing yet still benefit from the 5-10 pounds of muscle he put on while no one was looking..

[Pauulzcappin]

those OPS+ numbers, jesus.

[The Giant]

Miguel Cabrera is putting up some pretty ridiculous numbers, but people are showing a rather short term memory loss here. He isn't even the best hitter this century.

Pujols has done it longer, and more consistently, but...

Barry Bonds had the best five-year span I have ever seen (2000-2004). The guy had a .609 on-base percentage, at the age of 40!!! Obviously 'roided up, but still almost impossible to fathom.

[InTheDrink]

Herman "Babe" Ruth... If you have to ask you know nothing of baseball.

you fukkin moron

if youre gonna make a condescending dikhead post at least get his name right

[InTheDrink]

Yeah, do the math, 14-54-.390 off the chart .462 (almost half his PA's result with him getting on) at the quarter poll.
Those are superman numbers.

I pray to God he isn't juicing or HGH or something.

of course he is

wake up nasher

[Smoke]

The only thing juicing is drinkers butt after I release

[jimk6969]

dont think so anytime recently

[Itsamazing777]

Miguel Cabrera is putting up some pretty ridiculous numbers, but people are showing a rather short term memory loss here. He isn't even the best hitter this century.

Pujols has done it longer, and more consistently, but...

Barry Bonds had the best five-year span I have ever seen (2000-2004). The guy had a .609 on-base percentage, at the age of 40!!! Obviously 'roided up, but still almost impossible to fathom.

Pujols is declining already and he is only a few years older than Cabrera. Cabrera has the best numbers this decade actually

[InTheDrink]

Miggy and smoker have a lot in common

They both take injections in their asses

Smokers injections end up a lot more gooey though

[detroitlionsfan]

i seriously think this guy is and forever shall be the greatest ever

i mean ever ... like as in the past 100 yrs and the next 100 yrs

[Smoke]

[gamblingisfun]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130525&content_id=48550398&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Albert Pujols

[InTheDrink]

.452 with runners in scoring position and 72 rbis

good chance he has 100 rbi by the break





hope he never gets bagged for his hgh

[Gus Fring]

Puigggggggggggggggggggggg