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  • Dollars2Donuts
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 02-07-13
    • 8803

    #841
    Originally posted by OldSchoolPro
    Hi.

    I have long been very interested in second half bets, always wondered if there was some special indicator that might lead you to the right side, or perhaps a mathematical model.

    Or maybe just being one of those guys who have a great "feel", can watch a first half and know what's going to happen in the second half from seeing the first.

    I like under in the second half of this Laker game, very few offensive rebounds and I figure if neither team get any offensive rebounds it's hard for a game to go over.

    Leaving no stone un-turned in the search for an edge.

    - OSP

    PS: I've got a feeling you're going to crush on today's hockey, just a hunch I've got.
    Thanks, I hope so!

    As for the 2nd half bet it would have been great, but I was off visiting my grandmother with my mom.....so I have missed all the NBA so far completely (Grandma likes the Blue Jays so I was able to have that game on!!).

    D2D
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    • OldSchoolPro
      SBR Hustler
      • 04-19-13
      • 75

      #842
      Not for nuttin', but when I hear you say you missed much of the NBA today off visiting family, I think these two thoughts: First, you have baseball and hockey (not to mention tennis in Monte Carlo), missing a little basketball is painful but not an outright full-on tragedy.

      That line of thought brought me to this: Back in the day, there was a quiet but also legendary character, a former actuary, who used to sit quietly in the corner at the club where we played cards (Mayfair Club in NYC, became famous later as the incubator for a lot of great Hold-em players) and take bets on anything going, or give you an account with an office if you merited one.

      He was a very bright guy, but very quiet, mad funny in that droll kind of way. He had the long hair and mustache of the drummer in Spinal Tap, and he made an outstanding living by putting all the gamblers at the Mayfair into stores.

      Though 98% of the time he responded to all inquiries with the most straight-on reply possible (though no one thought to ask him how much money he was making fading all the card-players, the answer to that was definitely "plenty"), one type of question used to inspire a most impassioned response from him, that was when you asked him for a hockey line or if he happened to know a particular hockey score.

      That sort of question would inspire Bob The BM to snap to life. I remember it well: His eyes would light up, and he'd summon himself to his full 5 foot 6 inches in height. This guy was as pale as Joey Ramone, and like Joey they both were born in Queens just after World War Two.

      "Hockey?" he'd echo. Then, passionate: "Hockey is my life!"

      It was only after I knew him a year or two that I realized he basically always said this, "Hockey is my life!" whenever the subject came up.

      Bob was a very beloved guy, which is almost impossible of course for a BM. A heavy smoker and also a diabetic, he died in the mid-eighties when he had a heart attack in Central Park.

      But I guess that's a pretty good catch phrase he had ("Hockey is my life!") if I still remember it well nearly thirty years after he left.

      And he wasn't even Canadian (though he might have become one if he hadn't been draft-exempt because of his diabetes).

      - OSP

      PS: With ya on the Lightning and the Mighty Ducks tonight. I also like St. Louis and under in that game (Blues at Colorado?), St. Louis has some goalie who is playing totally unconscious, lowest GAA I've seen since Tony Esposito had a good start one year for the Black Hawks....
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      • Dollars2Donuts
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 02-07-13
        • 8803

        #843
        Lol, nice.....I wish I knew that '________ was my life'.

        I find in some ways I am as yet undefined. I have a wonderful family that I see a couple of short times a year, I have a job I love but certainly never say that 'my job/career is my life', I have a great girlfriend but we have some issues to get through......handicapping is relatively new to me but I will be damned if I ever say sports/handicapping is my life'.....

        I am starting to wonder, if at 40 years old, I need to do a better job of defining myself.....

        I also like my hockey picks, but am not convinced of the under in that St Loo game because it is at 5 and not at 5.5.....I really hope that Miami covers for us as that will definitely be a defining moment (hahaha) for our day.
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        • Dollars2Donuts
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 02-07-13
          • 8803

          #844
          I see the Hurricanes up by 2.....that's a surprise and disappointing.
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          • Jayvegas420
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 03-09-11
            • 28213

            #845
            40 is the new 30.
            Good posts today!
            I like the under in OKC.
            Bet Confirmation - YG1334991420I - Internet Time of bet: 04/21/2013 19:07:00 Print
            Selections
            1 Under 211.5 HOU Rockets @ OKC Thunder
            (Game Totals)
            04/21/2013 None -102 To Run
            2 (Jake Westbrook & Kyle Kendrick must start) STL Cardinals
            Pitcher details
            STL Cardinals(J Westbrook) @ PHI Phillies(K Kendrick)
            (Money Line)
            04/21/2013 None +101 To Run
            Parlays
            Round Robin/2 Play Parlays 1 20.00 20.00 79.61

            Bet Confirmation - SG0986111320I - Internet Time of bet: 04/21/2013 04:30:40 Print
            Selections
            1 Under 198.5 MIL Bucks @ MIA Heat
            (Game Totals)
            04/21/2013 None -105 To Run
            2 Under 5.5 NJ Devils @ NY Rangers
            (Game Totals)
            04/21/2013 None -225 Won
            Parlays
            Round Robin/2 Play Parlays 1 20.00 20.00 56.40
            Total Risk: 20.00

            Bet Confirmation - RG5540177610I - Internet Time of bet: 04/21/2013 04:31:02 Print
            Selections
            1 Under 199.0 MIL Bucks @ MIA Heat
            (Game Totals)
            04/21/2013 None -110 To Run
            Risk: 23.50 To Return: 44.86
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            • Dollars2Donuts
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 02-07-13
              • 8803

              #846
              Guys, watch the first part of the 3rd Quarter for a great chance to middle. The tempo of the game is telling me that we are going to get a Heat surge and I am thinking that by 6 minutes into the 3rd Q the Heat will be up 13 or more.....we may turn and live bet a shot to middle this sucker....so stay awake!
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              • Dollars2Donuts
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 02-07-13
                • 8803

                #847
                Boom:

                175992147-1 4/21/13 8:40pm $220.00 $200.00 Pending 4/21/13 7:00pm Live In-Play Basketball 9713 Milwaukee Bucks +16½ -110* <small>vs</small> Miami Heat
                Ok, we have 5 points to cover and Chalmers and Bosh are in foul trouble. I love this bet here.....

                Also added:

                175984765-1 4/21/13 8:34pm $90.00 $50.00 Pending 4/21/13 8:05pm Live In-Play Baseball 9913 STL total hits 2nd inning +½ -180* <small>vs</small> PHI total hits 2nd inning (Fixed Price)
                Last edited by Dollars2Donuts; 04-21-13, 07:44 PM.
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                • Dollars2Donuts
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 02-07-13
                  • 8803

                  #848
                  Yes.....I totally blew that. I saw it happening exactly as I thought...the Heat got it to 15 and I bet it, then the Bucks got it down to 9 and then fell apart. I bought myself 5 points to middle it and blew that all to heck....wish I had been out for dinner or something! Lol.
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                  • bald_guy
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 11-02-12
                    • 990

                    #849
                    Yea. Can't say I understand what you was trying to do there. But I left well enough alone with the original bet, and my account really thanks you. Sucks u called it and won't get to enjoy it.
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                    • Dollars2Donuts
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 02-07-13
                      • 8803

                      #850
                      Originally posted by OldSchoolPro
                      Not for nuttin', but when I hear you say you missed much of the NBA today off visiting family, I think these two thoughts: First, you have baseball and hockey (not to mention tennis in Monte Carlo), missing a little basketball is painful but not an outright full-on tragedy.

                      That line of thought brought me to this: Back in the day, there was a quiet but also legendary character, a former actuary, who used to sit quietly in the corner at the club where we played cards (Mayfair Club in NYC, became famous later as the incubator for a lot of great Hold-em players) and take bets on anything going, or give you an account with an office if you merited one.

                      He was a very bright guy, but very quiet, mad funny in that droll kind of way. He had the long hair and mustache of the drummer in Spinal Tap, and he made an outstanding living by putting all the gamblers at the Mayfair into stores.

                      Though 98% of the time he responded to all inquiries with the most straight-on reply possible (though no one thought to ask him how much money he was making fading all the card-players, the answer to that was definitely "plenty"), one type of question used to inspire a most impassioned response from him, that was when you asked him for a hockey line or if he happened to know a particular hockey score.

                      That sort of question would inspire Bob The BM to snap to life. I remember it well: His eyes would light up, and he'd summon himself to his full 5 foot 6 inches in height. This guy was as pale as Joey Ramone, and like Joey they both were born in Queens just after World War Two.

                      "Hockey?" he'd echo. Then, passionate: "Hockey is my life!"

                      It was only after I knew him a year or two that I realized he basically always said this, "Hockey is my life!" whenever the subject came up.

                      Bob was a very beloved guy, which is almost impossible of course for a BM. A heavy smoker and also a diabetic, he died in the mid-eighties when he had a heart attack in Central Park.

                      But I guess that's a pretty good catch phrase he had ("Hockey is my life!") if I still remember it well nearly thirty years after he left.

                      And he wasn't even Canadian (though he might have become one if he hadn't been draft-exempt because of his diabetes).

                      - OSP

                      PS: With ya on the Lightning and the Mighty Ducks tonight. I also like St. Louis and under in that game (Blues at Colorado?), St. Louis has some goalie who is playing totally unconscious, lowest GAA I've seen since Tony Esposito had a good start one year for the Black Hawks....
                      Lol, my NHL picks may go O-fer tonight.....it is NOT looking good.
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                      • Dollars2Donuts
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 02-07-13
                        • 8803

                        #851
                        Originally posted by bald_guy
                        Yea. Can't say I understand what you was trying to do there. But I left well enough alone with the original bet, and my account really thanks you. Sucks u called it and won't get to enjoy it.
                        ?

                        You don't understand what I was doing there? I honestly thought it would be a more closely contended game than that.....so I went for 0 risk with the upside of winning $400.....it is called middling the book and, whuile I lost and it sucks, it is still something that any good bettor should use when he/she can make it work.

                        Again, if the Bucks lose by less than 12 I break even, if the Heat win by more than 16 I break even and if the heat win by 12, 13, 14, 15 or 16 I win $400......
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                        • bald_guy
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 11-02-12
                          • 990

                          #852
                          Now I understand. I thought u was either afraid your original bet was going to lose and wanted to cancell it out with this one (except lose juice) or win both and double the original bet.

                          Never look at it as losing only juice or doubling your bet as much.

                          Well. Good try. With the point spread difference of original bet vs live bet you did stand a good chance of it working.
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                          • Dollars2Donuts
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 02-07-13
                            • 8803

                            #853
                            Yep....like I said, too bad it didn't work, BUT it is worth the shot sometimes. I blew it in this OKC game though...I have it under 213.5 and could have bet over 196.5 in the first quarter.....a 17 point attempt at a middle, but I passed...mostly because of what happened earlier...lol.
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                            • MoneyTree
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 01-30-13
                              • 134

                              #854
                              st louis always screwing me in the ass
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                              • ThunderMonkey
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 02-27-13
                                • 27

                                #855
                                D2D....a lot to say, first you're great! Mad props to you!! I have been tailing and following you since your first post on your "my first day at sbr" thread. Long story short, I play with a local for all my bball, foots, and base after the break. That's all the guy will take. He uses bvad for numbers. I play your plays that will allow with the local. I hadn't played any of your other plays due to the locals play, although I felt I missing out. So, I recently deposited 250$ as you had done in the beginning. I played all the opposites on the offshore. Two days later I was done. I know its not on you at all. You're awesome Donut. Hell, I never speak about anything. Just play my plays and try to educate myself. So anyways, in your opinion what should my initial deposit be to trail? How do
                                I down bet size so I can tail the enormity of plays? I was playing 15/30 to your 100/200 for a start, then planned to increase as the game allowed? Thanks for sharing all your hard work and plays. Thanks!!! Peas and karat gold!!!! BOL Cheers
                                Last edited by ThunderMonkey; 04-21-13, 10:01 PM. Reason: pooped my pants
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                                • Dollars2Donuts
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 02-07-13
                                  • 8803

                                  #856
                                  You may think I suck people......and I am sorry for that, but I cannot see any way this game stays under 213.5 now. I could have laid off my bet at 196.5 in the first Q but didn't.....and now I am reversing (no chance we get middled if you hop on).

                                  GL

                                  176016427-1 4/21/13 10:56pm $220.00 $200.00 Pending 4/21/13 9:30pm NBA Basketball 715 Houston Rockets/Oklahoma City Thunder 2nd Half Over 106 -110*
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                                  • Dollars2Donuts
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 02-07-13
                                    • 8803

                                    #857
                                    Originally posted by ThunderMonkey
                                    D2D....a lot to say, first you're great! Mad props to you!! I have been tailing and following you since your first post on your "my first day at sbr" thread. Long story short, I play with a local for all my bball, foots, and base after the break. That's all the guy will take. He uses bvad for numbers. I play your plays that will allow with the local. I hadn't played any of your other plays due to the locals play, although I felt I missing out. So, I recently deposited 250$ as you had done in the beginning. I played all the opposites on the offshore. Two days later I was done. I know its not on you at all. You're awesome Donut. Hell, I never speak about anything. Just play my plays and try to educate myself. So anyways, in your opinion what should my initial deposit be to trail? How do
                                    I down bet size so I can tail the enormity of plays? I was playing 15/30 to your 100/200 for a start, then planned to increase as the game allowed? Thanks for sharing all your hard work and plays. Thanks!!! Peas and carat gold!!!! BOL Cheers
                                    Well....thanks first of all....I hope you have been making some decent coin with your local anyway! I currently am running with $8k in my account and at no point would I ever feel like I was in trouble.....so buy in for $800 and play 10% or buy in for $400 and play 5%.

                                    It will be a longer road for sure.....we all know that nopbody wins at a win rate that makes a HUGE amount of money unless you get a little lucky at the start....but you NEED to have enough in your account that you aren't worried....ever.

                                    Good luck man....

                                    D2D
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                                    • Potentate
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 03-31-13
                                      • 1089

                                      #858
                                      FWIW, I don't bet hockey, but I've been following your picks (and some others). Tailed you on Anaheim for my first ever hockey wager. Success! It's said often, but thanks for sharing all your thoughts here.
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                                      • ThunderMonkey
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 02-27-13
                                        • 27

                                        #859
                                        Thanks D2D! I am on, lets bang these books. I noticed on a thread you talking about the degens...ie pool, poker, golf, and sports. Spot on! I am all and never met a golfer who didn't play poker and shoot a little 9 ball. BOL ALL
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                                        • Coreos
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 01-18-13
                                          • 464

                                          #860
                                          Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts
                                          You may think I suck people......and I am sorry for that, but I cannot see any way this game stays under 213.5 now. I could have laid off my bet at 196.5 in the first Q but didn't.....and now I am reversing (no chance we get middled if you hop on).

                                          GL

                                          176016427-1 4/21/13 10:56pm $220.00 $200.00 Pending 4/21/13 9:30pm NBA Basketball 715 Houston Rockets/Oklahoma City Thunder 2nd Half Over 106 -110*
                                          Looks like we did the same thing. I have been thoroughly perplexed by these playoff games - I just can't figure how to live bet these games! Frustrating since I love the live bet. 1Q I had the same opportunity you did and passed thinking there was no way the Rockets would hang w/the Thunder. And now the 2H line was only the Thunder -2.5...looked too good so I passed

                                          I'm worried that there is going to be some slowing down in the 4Q if the lead gets too high...
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                                          • Dollars2Donuts
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 02-07-13
                                            • 8803

                                            #861
                                            Originally posted by Coreos
                                            Looks like we did the same thing. I have been thoroughly perplexed by these playoff games - I just can't figure how to live bet these games! Frustrating since I love the live bet. 1Q I had the same opportunity you did and passed thinking there was no way the Rockets would hang w/the Thunder. And now the 2H line was only the Thunder -2.5...looked too good so I passed

                                            I'm worried that there is going to be some slowing down in the 4Q if the lead gets too high...
                                            It is already happening....an 0 for 9 from Houston and now we are screwed...lol. If I had just tried to middle it at 196.5 it would have worked.....won $200 instead of losing $200 plus juice.....yikes.
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                                            • Dollars2Donuts
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 02-07-13
                                              • 8803

                                              #862
                                              O/U down to 209......yep, I blew this one.....I hope nobody else is live betting here...this is embarassing tonight,

                                              Honestly, every single live move I have made has made things worse....I should have just left my original bet or laid off in Q1......I usually get such a good read with live plays, but this game....well, this game has me CONFUSED.
                                              Last edited by Dollars2Donuts; 04-21-13, 10:39 PM.
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                                              • Potentate
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 03-31-13
                                                • 1089

                                                #863
                                                Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts
                                                O/U down to 209......yep, I blew this one.....I hope nobody else is live betting here...this is embarassing tonight,

                                                Honestly, every single live move I have made has made things worse....I should have just left my original bet or laid off in Q1......I usually get such a good read with live plays, but this game....well, this game has me CONFUSED.
                                                In-game gets a little weird sometimes. I'm big on OKC ATS but I used live to put just a little on Rockets +19.
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                                                • henrique417
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 04-15-13
                                                  • 3

                                                  #864
                                                  hey d2d, great job overall. been following your plays for a few days. It might be too early but are you thinking about making some picks for the atp barcelona open?
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                                                  • Coreos
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 01-18-13
                                                    • 464

                                                    #865
                                                    Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts
                                                    O/U down to 209......yep, I blew this one.....I hope nobody else is live betting here...this is embarassing tonight,

                                                    Honestly, every single live move I have made has made things worse....I should have just left my original bet or laid off in Q1......I usually get such a good read with live plays, but this game....well, this game has me CONFUSED.
                                                    At least we're both in the same boat. Totally lost all discipline and screwed up my original bet, which I am foreseeing will be the right bet. This has just been a mess of a night for me.
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                                                    • Overbettor
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 11-08-11
                                                      • 951

                                                      #866
                                                      Where's the 73 point 4th when we need it
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                                                      • Dollars2Donuts
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 02-07-13
                                                        • 8803

                                                        #867
                                                        Originally posted by Overbettor
                                                        Where's the 73 point 4th when we need it
                                                        LOL
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                                                        • bald_guy
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 11-02-12
                                                          • 990

                                                          #868
                                                          We made it!! 211 vs 213.5.

                                                          That was a close one but we did it. Good call D2D. $$$$
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                                                          • Overbettor
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 11-08-11
                                                            • 951

                                                            #869
                                                            What?
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                                                            • Dollars2Donuts
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 02-07-13
                                                              • 8803

                                                              #870
                                                              Originally posted by bald_guy
                                                              We made it!! 211 vs 213.5.

                                                              That was a close one but we did it. Good call D2D. $$$$
                                                              Ummm....I reversed at half time.....it was a loser for me, glad you won though.

                                                              I would have middled it but I passed at 196.5, 201.5, 206.5 and 209.......instead it turns from a $200 profit into a $120 loss.....

                                                              I made a lot of poor decisions live tonight.....a lot. I was uneasy because my earlier 'MIDDLE' didn't turn out and I should have just listened to my gut and gone ahead with it...how often do you get a shot at a 17 point middle in an O/U?

                                                              I screwed both of my winners today....Miami and OKC Under.....both picked as winners and everybody won on them except me.....because I made poor live bets. This one is a rough one boys....a potential great day turned into nothing.

                                                              Today:

                                                              11-7-1

                                                              + $216.25


                                                              Totals (69 documented days):

                                                              506 - 413 - 26

                                                              + $ 11,204.85


                                                              Play of the Day (NO CHANGE):

                                                              29 - 15

                                                              + $4379.93
                                                              Last edited by Dollars2Donuts; 04-21-13, 11:26 PM. Reason: Poor adding skills...thanks for the correction
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                                                              • Dollars2Donuts
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 02-07-13
                                                                • 8803

                                                                #871
                                                                As a quick recap of my poor betting decisions my day would have been 13-6-1 for $556.25 if I hadn't live bet those two games.....

                                                                How gross.
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                                                                • MonkeyMoney
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 03-31-13
                                                                  • 579

                                                                  #872
                                                                  Originally posted by bald_guy
                                                                  We made it!! 211 vs 213.5.

                                                                  That was a close one but we did it. Good call D2D. $$$$
                                                                  LOL did no body else catch the error? it was a 3 point play by the rockets with like 4 mins left and they didnt count the 2pointer.. just the FT
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                                                                  • bald_guy
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 11-02-12
                                                                    • 990

                                                                    #873
                                                                    Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts
                                                                    As a quick recap of my poor betting decisions my day would have been 13-6-1 for $556.25 if I hadn't live bet those two games.....

                                                                    How gross.
                                                                    Least u r man enough to count them live plays that lost in your record. I stayed with your original bets and done pretty good tonight.

                                                                    If you remember when you asked people's opinion on if you could keep winning long term, that was the only thing some experience betters was concerned about you doing.

                                                                    Any rate thanks for your hard work and look forward to (today here now) picks.
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                                                                    • Overbettor
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 11-08-11
                                                                      • 951

                                                                      #874
                                                                      Originally posted by MonkeyMoney
                                                                      LOL did no body else catch the error? it was a 3 point play by the rockets with like 4 mins left and they didnt count the 2pointer.. just the FT
                                                                      It was counted bro
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                                                                      • Dollars2Donuts
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 02-07-13
                                                                        • 8803

                                                                        #875
                                                                        Originally posted by MonkeyMoney
                                                                        LOL did no body else catch the error? it was a 3 point play by the rockets with like 4 mins left and they didnt count the 2pointer.. just the FT
                                                                        That did not happen....not only did I watch the entire thing (and I notice those kinds of things) but I also went through the entire play by play to make sure.....I think it best that you do some research before you post that kind of thing. Not that it mattered anyway....I lost by 2.5 points.
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