If Mike Rice were Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart, would he have been fired?

[No coincidences]

In other words, if a tape surfaced showing a very successful coach at a very successful program acting like this in the prime of his career, would he receive a similar fate? Or is this as much about Rice's lack of success on the court as it is about his actions on these videos?

Would be interesting to see how an institution would handle the situation if the shit suddenly hit the fan with a "hot commodity" coach or a high-profile program in its prime.

[sportsguy04]

This shit happens at more schools than people think. He is the one that got caught on tape.

[tto827]

It'll never happen because you cannot build a solid program with a leader like that

[No coincidences]

It'll never happen because you cannot build a solid program with a leader like that

Are you telling me Bobby Knight didn't act similar to this when the doors were closed on his practices? Or was choking a player only added to his repertoire late in his career?

[Wilfred]

It'll never happen because you cannot build a solid program with a leader like that

You are in denial. This is not an unusual thing in D1.

[No coincidences]

This shit happens at more schools than people think. He is the one that got caught on tape.

I tend to agree with this. I'm not saying it happens everywhere or necessarily gets quite this bad, but there's plenty of politically incorrect behavior going on when the cameras aren't rolling at college programs across the country.

Judging by the people I know who were college athletes and the experiences I had in high school and playing JC ball before I went to a university and "retired" athletically, I guess I'm not all that surprised by this. I'm not condoning it, but it really didn't shock me. And I wonder what % of people who are stunned by what they saw never picked up a ball a day in their life.

[Easy-Rider 66]

It's much preferred to win some games at a Major D1 school before you start acting like the tough Guy. Mike Rice is a Nobody in the coaching world.

[gators0708]

I m tired of ppl saying this happens at a lot of schools. Of course the screaming and cursing happens everywhere but, I highly doubt the ball throwing, getting physical with players happens.

[Wilfred]

I m tired of ppl saying this happens at a lot of schools. Of course the screaming and cursing happens everywhere but, I highly doubt the ball throwing, getting physical with players happens.

Sorry, it happens.

[No coincidences]

I highly doubt the ball throwing, getting physical with players happens.

I don't.

[tto827]

When I was watching the video, I really wanted to tell myself, oh that's not that bad, and wanted to support Rice because I'd expect stuff like this does happen. But he took it way over the top, there's no ground to stand on to support what he did. Verbal... Eh whatever kids can take it, but the physical contact was too much.

These stories get out, if coach K, izzo, Stevens, or Shaka were beating the shit out of their players, we'd know by now.

[Wilfred]

Fireable offense? Yes. Worse than a lot of coaches? No.

[YouHave2outs]

playing JC ball before I went to a university and "retired" athletically

How was your retirement received by the fans, coiner?

[No coincidences]

When I was watching the video, I really wanted to tell myself, oh that's not that bad, and wanted to support Rice because I'd expect stuff like this does happen. But he took it way over the top, there's no ground to stand on to support what he did. Verbal... Eh whatever kids can take it, but the physical contact was too much.

These stories get out, if coach K, izzo, Stevens, or Shaka were beating the shit out of their players, we'd know by now.

Again, I saw Tom Izzo slug AJ Granger in the stomach during a timeout at Temple late in a game in '98.

[No coincidences]

How was your retirement received by the fans, coiner?

I said that in jest, obviously.

[YouHave2outs]

Again, I saw Tom Izzo slug AJ Granger in the stomach during a timeout at Temple late in a game in '98.

"No video results for “tom izzo punches aj granger”"

[No coincidences]

"No video results for “tom izzo punches aj granger”"

It was during a timeout late in the second half. Granger had just turned the ball over. Izzo got "that look" on his face, and you could see him lunge at Granger and Granger's stomach move backward.

1998. At Temple. MSU lost a close game late. Pepe Sanchez hit a bunch of shots down the stretch. Mateen Cleaves almost got into it with a fan walking off the court.

[visualrealism]

No. See Mike Leech. Somewhat successful.

[YouHave2outs]

It was during a timeout late in the second half. Granger had just turned the ball over. Izzo got "that look" on his face, and you could see him lunge at Granger and Granger's stomach move backward.

1998. At Temple. MSU lost a close game late. Pepe Sanchez hit a bunch of shots down the stretch. Mateen Cleaves almost got into it with a fan walking off the court.

Pepe Sanchez was 2 for 7 in the game. He scored 11 points.

[Brebos]

I would take his ass outside and go a few rounds, mike rice you gonna learn today

[No coincidences]

Pepe Sanchez was 2 for 7 in the game. He scored 11 points.

He hit a big bucket late I know that basically sealed it, and scored almost all of his points right at the end.

[detroitlionsfan]

isnt what rice did basically the same thing every football program does without the homo stuff

this really boils down to the slurs which i cant picture stevens doing

[sjm5122]

Even in HS playing basketball I remember if during practice you were out of position, the coach would sometimes stop play, come over and grab you and forcefully drag you to where you should be. He wasn't wispering kind things to you either. I know this isn't as bad as the Mike Rice examples, but still I can believe it happens at many other schools.

[milwaukee mike]

i'm not sure brad stevens has enough muscle to throw a basketball at anyone

and if he did, they sure wouldn't be intimidated by it

[No coincidences]

i'm not sure brad stevens has enough muscle to throw a basketball at anyone

and if he did, they sure wouldn't be intimidated by it

I just meant that if Rice were enjoying their kind of success on the court would he be fired if the same tape surfaced.

[milwaukee mike]

I just meant that if Rice were enjoying their kind of success on the court would he be fired if the same tape surfaced.

interesting question

another one of those stories where this stuff had been going on for years, and everyone turned a blind eye to it. you can get away with anything as long as you don't piss people off who can rat on you

[seaborneq]

Rice is not sorry or apologetic. Just sad and upset that he was caught.

[No coincidences]

interesting question

another one of those stories where this stuff had been going on for years, and everyone turned a blind eye to it. you can get away with anything as long as you don't piss people off who can rat on you

Pretty weak of Murdock to pull this shit after the fact. He waits until after his contract isn't renewed to turn the tape in, and I see him being celebrated by some of the media. What a joke. Doubt the tape would've ever surfaced had he not had an ax to grind for being left behind. Good luck getting another job at the D-I level.

[milwaukee mike]

Pretty weak of Murdock to pull this shit after the fact. He waits until after his contract isn't renewed to turn the tape in, and I see him being celebrated by some of the media. What a joke. Doubt the tape would've ever surfaced had he not had an ax to grind for being left behind. Good luck getting another job at the D-I level.

murdock is an ex-bucks player so i give him the benefit of the doubt here

[Quake]

wouldn't happen but yes, they would get canned as well.

[15805]

Pretty weak of Murdock to pull this shit after the fact. He waits until after his contract isn't renewed to turn the tape in, and I see him being celebrated by some of the media. What a joke. Doubt the tape would've ever surfaced had he not had an ax to grind for being left behind. Good luck getting another job at the D-I level.

Murdock is the only guy who should have been fired, he tried to shake Rutgers down & when it didn't work out for him he ratted them out.

[Serbone]

Sure, it happens a lot, some shoving and pushing and an occasional thrown ball, and occasionally a homo slur but Jesuschrist not as often and constant as Rice...
Throwing basketballs is one thing, but the absolute is, there is NO WAY if someone gets caught using the homo slur multiple times, they survive. Even Shaka and Stephens. GONE.
The media would blow it up, the gays would protest, leaders would urge gay students to no longer attend the school (& future students, "stay away"), march, boycott, sue, you name it...

[I/O]

ure, it happens a lot, some shoving and pushing and an occasional thrown ball, and occasionally a slut, but not as often and constant as Rice...
Throwing basketballs is one thing, but the absolute is, there is NO WAY if someone gets caught using the homo slur multiple times, they survive. Even Shaka and Stephens. GONE.
The media would blow it up, the gays would protest, leaders would urge gay students to no longer attend the school (& future students, "stay away"), march, boycott, sue, you name it...

I completely agree with this. In our current stupid, way over the top PC about 3.8% of the population

I hetero guilt is 10 times whatever white guilt is

[pavyracer]

Yes they would have been fired. But I think Brad Stevens is too skinny to actually physically hurt anyone. He looks like the kid who was always picked on in the hood.

[SBRMAN23]

Crazy thing is I'm sure he did this at Rmu when I was there but it was Rmu in little Moon township so nobody was saying shit and winning Nec tourneys he's a decent coach his actions were cross the line thou