Strategy for playing IC

GoofyGrape · 03-09-13, 12:38 AM

Great strategy.

Let me know when the stock market will peak too.

bet_that_all · 03-09-13, 01:41 AM

IC sucks balls!!!

He is loser this year and nothing can change it!!!!

danwh9 · 03-09-13, 12:13 PM

He is like every other capper---wins and loses---but if you follow every win and fade every loss using a labby line you will always come out ahead. Only works if he picks one game per day per sport.

I have been doing this with Crusher since Dec. and have not had a losing week yet. If your capper has a winning streak of more than 1 win you are plus $$. If a losing streak of more than 1 game you are also plus. Only way you lose is if capper goes on an extended W-L-W-L-W-L-W-L. Even if this happens you get off after you lose 3 or 4 bets then get back on when this pattern breaks.

Using labby line you will recover your losses and go +$$.

Don't challenge this unless you have stats to back it up cuz I do.

tomiselli · 03-09-13, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by danwh9

He is like every other capper---wins and loses---but if you follow every win and fade every loss using a labby line you will always come out ahead. Only works if he picks one game per day per sport.

I have been doing this with Crusher since Dec. and have not had a losing week yet. If your capper has a winning streak of more than 1 win you are plus $$. If a losing streak of more than 1 game you are also plus. Only way you lose is if capper goes on an extended W-L-W-L-W-L-W-L. Even if this happens you get off after you lose 3 or 4 bets then get back on when this pattern breaks.

Using labby line you will recover your losses and go +$$.

Don't challenge this unless you have stats to back it up cuz I do.

Maybe it works, and maybe it doesn't. It is certainly worth taking a look at. Thanks for posting it.

And it sure is better than the usual "BOO-HOO, BOO-HOO....IC sucks balls" kind of crap that gets posted here day after day.

danwh9 · 03-09-13, 05:14 PM

Here is Crusher record since Feb 1

NHL W W L L W L L L L W L W W W L W W L W W L L W W W L W W W L W W L W W

BB W W L W L W W L L L W W L L W L L W W L L L L L W W W L W L L W P W W W W

If you followed every win and faded every loss and ran seperate labby lines for NHL and BB----you can do the math---you are way ahead.

This is not a system for action junkies who have to have many bets every day, but is way better on your blood pressure and stomach acid.

Raiderguy101 · 03-09-13, 06:13 PM

This seems interesting Dan. So what would you do tonight? Follow IC and take the under on the Houston game? Then what? If it hits, keep following or fade? I'm gonna have to research this.

danwh9 · 03-09-13, 06:45 PM

Raider guy, I follow or fade only Crusher----see my post above. Follow/fade just one capper who only has one play per day per sport. In answer to your question, if IC won his last BB game then yes, I would follow his pick today, provided he has only one BB pick today.

Whats nice about this Is I look at Crushers picks in the a m and place my bets for the day in less than 3 minutes. I am only interested in winning $$. I don't do this as a hobby or to occupy my time. I used to pour over forums and prediction sites trying to find an edge to bet on. Too draining and tedious. Now, just a few minutes in the a m----place my bets----check the results in the evening. It is really that simple if u do not deviate from the system. Good luck and thanks to tgunn for posting Crusher every day for all of us.

danwh9 · 03-09-13, 06:48 PM

Keep following until a loss---then fade until a win---then follow until a loss---and so on. The wagering system of running a labby line is critical also. Flat betting is not the way to be ahead.

If you follow IC and bet the under don't come apart if it loses----cuz as soon as he wins or loses two in a row u recover loss plus $$

When ur capper is winning more than 1 in a row your winning----and when they lose mutiple games you are still winning!!!!!

Raiderguy101 · 03-09-13, 06:59 PM

Thanks for the info Dan.

CTOWNsCAPPIN · 03-09-13, 07:34 PM

Interesting. Thanks for the input Dan.

DHB · 03-10-13, 12:46 AM

Dan, i too have done this.
it actually works out better just to tail and run a labby than to do this tail/fade combo.

take your above record since feb 1st for example.

NHL W W L L W L L L L W L W W W L W W L W W L L W W W L W W W L W W L W W

that's 21W & 14L or 60%
if running the hybrid tail/fade it would only be 16W & 18L or 47%
the only reason your ahead is because you are running a labby.
so your labbys would be more profitable just tailing him.

similar story for his basketball aswell.

Ralphie Halves · 03-10-13, 01:26 AM

I'll champion labby too, especially if you can find some good cappers to go with it. Most people either dismiss labby right away because they either

1) think they're more intelligent than they are
2) don't have the discipline to play it
3) don't carry a big enough bankroll in ratio to the size of their bets, and get wiped out.
4) think it's Martingale

You can play it, and nobody will be any the wiser. I've done it with baccarat in the casinos a few times for some extra cash (hell, they give you the paper to write on), but I want to make sure I do it very sporadically.

Keep it up fellas. We have a good thing going here.

chilidog · 03-10-13, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by danwh9

He is like every other capper---wins and loses---but if you follow every win and fade every loss using a labby line you will always come out ahead. Only works if he picks one game per day per sport.

I have been doing this with Crusher since Dec. and have not had a losing week yet. If your capper has a winning streak of more than 1 win you are plus $$. If a losing streak of more than 1 game you are also plus. Only way you lose is if capper goes on an extended W-L-W-L-W-L-W-L. Even if this happens you get off after you lose 3 or 4 bets then get back on when this pattern breaks.

Using labby line you will recover your losses and go +$$.

Don't challenge this unless you have stats to back it up cuz I do.

It works until it doesn't work anymore. I did this with Crusher as well, running a labby, and it failed miserably.

danwh9 · 03-10-13, 01:23 PM

DHB--Thanks for the response---trying to understand your theory. By my count on NHL he had 8 multiple win streaks against 3 multiple loss streaks. If one was to abandon the hybrid wouldnt following be better than tailing??

danwh9 · 03-10-13, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by chilidog

It works until it doesn't work anymore. I did this with Crusher as well, running a labby, and it failed miserably.

Over how long a period of time did it fail?? I have been doing since Dec without a losing week. Sooner or later I know there will be that one week when the stars and moon ndon't align and there will be a losing week. But I'll take the occasional losing week against 9 or 10 winning ones. Also after 3 straight wins or losses I stop for a day or two until that pattern breaks. Discipline. Again not for those who have to have action every day to keep their heart pumping. Worship the + $$ not the action is how I think

Everything loses eventually. But if it wins more than it loses---isn't that what we are all trying to do??

danwh9 · 03-10-13, 01:33 PM

The "good" capper is not the one who picks winners----it's the one who wins or loses in multiples more than W-L-W-L- W streaks---I think anyway

danwh9 · 03-10-13, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie Halves

I'll champion labby too, especially if you can find some good cappers to go with it. Most people either dismiss labby right away because they either

1) think they're more intelligent than they are
2) don't have the discipline to play it
3) don't carry a big enough bankroll in ratio to the size of their bets, and get wiped out.
4) think it's Martingale

You can play it, and nobody will be any the wiser. I've done it with baccarat in the casinos a few times for some extra cash (hell, they give you the paper to write on), but I want to make sure I do it very sporadically.

Keep it up fellas. We have a good thing going here.

Ralphie---why sporadically?? Just curious

chilidog · 03-10-13, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by danwh9

Over how long a period of time did it fail?? I have been doing since Dec without a losing week. Sooner or later I know there will be that one week when the stars and moon ndon't align and there will be a losing week. But I'll take the occasional losing week against 9 or 10 winning ones. Also after 3 straight wins or losses I stop for a day or two until that pattern breaks. Discipline. Again not for those who have to have action every day to keep their heart pumping. Worship the + $$ not the action is how I think

Everything loses eventually. But if it wins more than it loses---isn't that what we are all trying to do??

How long of a labby are you doing? My strategy was to stop once a bet would hit more than 5 units and reset the line, taking the loss. That happened too many times, and it failed. I wasn't actually betting, just tracking it.

danwh9 · 03-10-13, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by chilidog

How long of a labby are you doing? My strategy was to stop once a bet would hit more than 5 units and reset the line, taking the loss. That happened too many times, and it failed. I wasn't actually betting, just tracking it.

Chilidog---I stop betting if they go W-L-W-L-W until they hit a multiple W or L again. Also If they win or lose 4 in a row (which means I'm winning) I stop until that string stops. Maybe I have been fortunate to not have your negative experience with the hybrid on Crusher using labby. My bankroll in relation to my wager size is such that I can run this system successfully---especially since I don't blindly follow the system when an anomally starts to occur. If an occassional labby line loss occurs when you hit your 5 unit limit but the system has been working say 8 out of 10 times, I might double my unit wager on the next labby---just an idea

DHB · 03-10-13, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by danwh9

DHB--Thanks for the response---trying to understand your theory. By my count on NHL he had 8 multiple win streaks against 3 multiple loss streaks. If one was to abandon the hybrid wouldnt following be better than tailing??

winning streaks or no winning streaks, the hybrid system is still not as good as just following him.

and tailing means following.

chilidog · 03-10-13, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by danwh9

Chilidog---I stop betting if they go W-L-W-L-W until they hit a multiple W or L again. Also If they win or lose 4 in a row (which means I'm winning) I stop until that string stops. Maybe I have been fortunate to not have your negative experience with the hybrid on Crusher using labby. My bankroll in relation to my wager size is such that I can run this system successfully---especially since I don't blindly follow the system when an anomally starts to occur. If an occassional labby line loss occurs when you hit your 5 unit limit but the system has been working say 8 out of 10 times, I might double my unit wager on the next labby---just an idea

It was definitely killing it for the 3 months that I ran it, but I was running all the sports, including soccer. I was just blindly sticking to my strategy and that's what caused the system to fail. In a one-week period, it wiped out all the profits that the system had generated over 3 months. I know that if I didn't have the 5 unit stop-loss, it probably would've been profitable, but I set the limit at 5 units to prevent risking a large amount of bankroll in case it went on an extended WLWLWLWLWLWL streak. I never considered setting a pause if it started doing that.

DHB · 03-10-13, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by chilidog

How long of a labby are you doing? My strategy was to stop once a bet would hit more than 5 units and reset the line, taking the loss. That happened too many times, and it failed. I wasn't actually betting, just tracking it.

maybe that was your problem.
try decreasing the percentage of your lines comparison to your bankroll.

for example my lines are 1% of my bankroll, i start with 4 numbers on my lines so each bet is .5% of my BR.

danwh9 · 03-10-13, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by DHB

winning streaks or no winning streaks, the hybrid system is still not as good as just following him.

and tailing means following.

Yep tailing=following. I know better, just an error on my part

danwh9 · 03-10-13, 03:40 PM

Were u running seperate labbys for the 3 sports? Do u still have ur records for when the losses occurred---If u do rerun ur labbys but cease betting after streak of 3 losses until multiples W or L start again---what would have happened?? Curious----all you have to do is rerun that losing week with a pause or two.

chilidog · 03-10-13, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by DHB

maybe that was your problem.
try decreasing the percentage of your lines comparison to your bankroll.

for example my lines are 1% of my bankroll, i start with 4 numbers on my lines so each bet is .5% of my BR.

I wasn't betting, just tracking, so the bankroll itself wouldn't matter. I tracked everything by units, using a standard labby line of 0.5-0.5-0.5-0.5, so that the first bet would be for 1 unit, etc.

The reason that I set a stop-loss was to prevent an extended streak which would have a chance of wiping out the bankroll.

chilidog · 03-10-13, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by danwh9

Were u running seperate labbys for the 3 sports? Do u still have ur records for when the losses occurred---If u do rerun ur labbys but cease betting after streak of 3 losses until multiples W or L start again---what would have happened?? Curious----all you have to do is rerun that losing week with a pause or two.

Yes, separate labby per sport. The way I had it setup was that after 5 losses (which would've been a streak of WLWLW, etc), I would just reset the line back to default and take the loss. That is what wiped the mythical bankroll out.

If it's working for yah, of course keep doing it. I'm just not comfortable laying actual money with such a large percentage of bankroll. I'm glad that I was just tracking instead of actually betting it.

Ralphie Halves · 03-10-13, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by danwh9

Ralphie---why sporadically?? Just curious

I already stick out being a white guy at a baccarat table, plus I walk away with a nice take after a few hours while everyone else there is grinding it out or playing their lucky voodoo numbers. It's probably nothing, but I'd just assume stay under the radar.

Ralphie Halves · 03-10-13, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by chilidog

How long of a labby are you doing? My strategy was to stop once a bet would hit more than 5 units and reset the line, taking the loss. That happened too many times, and it failed. I wasn't actually betting, just tracking it.

This is one of the problems I outlined earlier. To absorb the losses you absolutely must have your lines low, and your bankroll high. And when you go on a bad run, have the moxy to stick with it. Those bad lines get erased really fast with one small winning streak.

Seriously, if your lines are 5-5-5-5 to start, have a good $6-8K backing it up. You'll never get wiped out, and if that line is too small, you can counter it by playing lots of different ones. And don't give up when lines get hairy, OR you can do what my buddy does, and take a loss after you lose $1000, which since I've known him (4 years), it's happened one time. You really have a benefit here with sportsbetting and following strong cappers at the same time. 47% take (which is what the system was created for -- roulette) is a far cry from 52-60%, which really puts you in a great spot every time.

BennyFang · 03-10-13, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie Halves

I already stick out being a white guy at a baccarat table, plus I walk away with a nice take after a few hours while everyone else there is grinding it out or playing their lucky voodoo numbers. It's probably nothing, but I'd just assume stay under the radar.

I've been doing the exact same thing at baccarat on occasion for about 13 years now. I love their perplexed look when they peek at my card.

DHB · 03-11-13, 07:39 AM

ralphie have u tried this with an online casino?

milwaukee mike · 03-11-13, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by Ralphie Halves

I'll champion labby too, especially if you can find some good cappers to go with it. Most people either dismiss labby right away because they either

1) think they're more intelligent than they are
2) don't have the discipline to play it
3) don't carry a big enough bankroll in ratio to the size of their bets, and get wiped out.
4) think it's Martingale

You can play it, and nobody will be any the wiser. I've done it with baccarat in the casinos a few times for some extra cash (hell, they give you the paper to write on), but I want to make sure I do it very sporadically.

Keep it up fellas. We have a good thing going here.

you missed #5 on why people dismiss labouchere lines - because we know people that have been wiped out by it. yes you can grind out profits for years, but every betting system works right until it doesn't.

hopefully by the time you hit a bad streak you have enough profits banked to offset it