Should Vick be the starting qb for the Eagles in 2013?

[ttwarrior1]

He fits Chips system more than Foles

thoughts?

Alot of outside runs for McCoy?

[slacker00]

Is his cap number friendly at all? That's really the time of year this is.

It doesn't look too friendly to me: $3mil due Feb 6th and $15.5 million in 2013. I say he's gone.

http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-09/sports/36218883_1_eagles-michael-vick-contact-zach-berman-twitter-zberm

A new coach will want to rework the team with players he wants, preferably players that can grow with the team. Vick, at 33, will be getting too old to have a serious part in team building, plus he doesn't seem like the mentor type. Vick doesn't seem worth his contract if he can't play a full season, but I've never been a huge fan of Vick for that.

[Slimpickens]

Vick has taken his last start wearing an Eagles uniform.

[ttwarrior1]

wasn't his fault, he had the worst line in the nfl with all the injuries

[Slimpickens]

wasn't his fault, he had the worst line in the nfl with all the injuries

I am well aware of the line. Foles is the QB for the future. Period....

[beerman2619]

Chip kellys gimmick offense wont work in the nfl. Vick is done he played terrible and has for some time now. 33 year old run the read option lmao. A guy that has been as hurt as much as vick wouldnt last more then a game or two

[Slimpickens]

Chip kellys gimmick offense wont work in the nfl. Vick is done he played terrible and has for some time now. 33 year old run the read option lmao. A guy that has been as hurt as much as vick wouldnt last more then a game or two

I hope Kelly leaves that option shit in Oregon.

[t-wizzle]

No. He sucks.

[Slimpickens]

As an Eagle fan I wouldnt wish Vick on any team. The rooster_eater had one good season and now he is set for life financially. penetrate Him!!

[sweethook]

shit no hes a c class player ,

[calmeat]

I will be very unhappy if vick is back. Yes he had a horrible line but thats no excuse for the turnovers and terrible passes he throws. Rodgers has a horrible line yet he finds a way to find WR and do well. Foles didnt do that bad either. Next year with a healthy line Foles should do well.

As far as the chip kelly thing. Is the option really His thing or is it the fast past hurry up spread offense. He consulted with NEP and gave them the fast past offense it has helped them greatly. Foles fits the fast past offense very well. He can read Defenses at the line and has a very good long ball and is pretty accurate on the short passes. He made some bad mistakes this year but im chalking it up to being a rookie. I think Kelly will adapt the O to look similiar to NEP. Just think about this out of the 4 teams left 1 team has had the fast past hurry up offense (NEP) and 2 of them implemented it this year (BAL, ATL). Looks like Kelly has a great idea with the fast past hurry up O and will bring that to philly.

[rm18]

Darron Thomas

[TheMoneyShot]

Vick can't take anymore hits. The guy will be 33 next season. His days are numbered.

[tshafer117]

No chance. Chip Kelly is gonna finish last in the division and will probably try and run an offense that tries to score every 2 minutes. He's gonna be surprised what happens when he plays real men with talent on defense. He could be the worst coach in NFL history if he thinks he is gonna score at ease. A lot of turnovers will come along with that in Philly. Will be betting against Philly no matter what the spread next season it could be a shit show fast

[Goat Milk]

How many wins did Foles get?

[Cuse0323]

Eagles are screwed regardless, Chip will be back in college in no time.

[TheCentaur]

I can't decide which would be more entertaining, Vick trying to play QB in a Chip Kelly offense or Vick reading "The Cat in the Hat" out loud

[SparJMU]

Michael Vick is a loser. He has always been a loser. His salary would be outrageous, and he is getting old. This is a very easy decision for Chip Kelly.

[TheRifleman]

Philadelphia Eagles' hire of Chip Kelly could be NFL's worst ever

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/0ap1000000122162/article/philadelphia-eagles-hire-of-chip-kelly-could-be-worst-in-nfl-history

Now that the Philadelphia Eagles have reeled in perhaps the biggest fish on the coaching market, I am going on the record calling Chip Kelly one of the worst hires in pro football history.

Yes, worse than Steve Spurrier, the old ball coach who is one of college football's top offensive minds ever but who failed miserably in the NFL, going 12-20 in two seasons with the Washington Redskins (2002-03). Kelly, too, is a dynamic college head coach, but what he's about to bring to the NFL simply won't work. Here are three reasons why:
1. No recruiting advantage
For the past four years, Kelly had the biggest recruiting advantage ever known to a college coach. His name is Phil Knight, the CEO of Nike and a major University of Oregon donor and school alumnus who pumps millions of dollars into the football program each year. Despite the enormous benefits of this relationship, Kelly never brought a BCS title to Eugene.
In four years with the Ducks, he had a 46-7 record but never finished higher than third in the polls, including 2010 when he lost to Auburn in the BCS National Championship Game. In the NFL, you don't get 10 first-round picks, and in Philly, the league's best free agents aren't lining up to join the Eagles.
2. Out-coached by Stanford
Nearly two months ago, Stanford beat Oregon 17-14 to ruin the Ducks' hopes for a perfect season. Stanford defensive coordinator Derek Mason had 20 working hours that week (mandated by the NCAA, which includes practice, weightlifting, and meetings) to prepare for this so-called NFL-ready offense, and he held them to two touchdowns, 4-of-17 on third down, 0-for-2 on fourth down, and forced a turnover.

I love the discipline and structure that Jim Harbaugh installed at Stanford and that current head coach David Shaw and Mason have continued. And they've done it with much less athletic players than what Kelly had at Oregon. If Kelly's high-powered offense could only manage 14 points against Stanford, how will this offense work in the NFL, where all teams -- more or less -- are on equal footing?


3. QBs exposed to injuries


If we've learned one thing this season in the NFL, it's that you can't expose your franchise quarterback to vicious and violent hits. I'm sure the RG3 phenomenon is adding to the Chip Kelly hype but Robert Griffin III was knocked out of a game three times -- once by concussion, once from a brutal hit from Baltimore Ravens nose tackle Haloti Ngata, and a final time in the playoffs that required surgery and puts his NFL future in jeopardy.
Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota carried the ball 106 times in 13 games for Kelly this season. Overall, Oregon quarterbacks have rushed the ball 464 times in Kelly's four seasons with the Ducks. I'm not sure he can maintain that in the NFL against much bigger, quicker and faster defensive players without losing a quarterback -- be it Michael Vick, Nick Foles, Geno Smith or anyone else -- to injury for a significant amount of time.

The game is constantly changing in small ways, but the basis of championship football will always be physical and mental toughness in the NFL, not gadget offensive schemes. When Kelly and his Oregon squads faced physically tough and defensively sound teams, they did not fare well.


Sure, Oregon kept it close against Auburn in the 2010 title game, and the Ducks didn't do so badly against LSU in 2011 either.

But "keeping it close" and "not so bad" will only get you one thing in the NFL: fired.

[Deuce]

He will draft Denard Robinson to back up Vick.

[konck]

The Jets will be dumb enough to take him and his salary....It will be Ryans last year as a coach

[ragman]

Vick is too brittle to play in Kelly's system.

That being said, the Eagles have everything they need to run Kelly's offense. Except a QB.

[seaborneq]

I saw Chip Kelly coach in the BCS championship game against Auburn. He will be just as conservative in the NFL. An average coach at best no matter who the quarterback will be.

[Trident]

In four years with the Ducks, he had a 46-7 record but never finished higher than third in the polls, including 2010 when he lost to Auburn in the BCS National Championship Game.

2012: Finished 2nd in final AP & USA polls

[ttwarrior1]

vick will start somewhere next season

[Duff85]

He fits Chips system more than Foles

thoughts?

Alot of outside runs for McCoy?

lol

[SparJMU]

Philadelphia Eagles' hire of Chip Kelly could be NFL's worst ever

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/0ap1000000122162/article/philadelphia-eagles-hire-of-chip-kelly-could-be-worst-in-nfl-history

Now that the Philadelphia Eagles have reeled in perhaps the biggest fish on the coaching market, I am going on the record calling Chip Kelly one of the worst hires in pro football history.

Yes, worse than Steve Spurrier, the old ball coach who is one of college football's top offensive minds ever but who failed miserably in the NFL, going 12-20 in two seasons with the Washington Redskins (2002-03). Kelly, too, is a dynamic college head coach, but what he's about to bring to the NFL simply won't work. Here are three reasons why:
1. No recruiting advantage
For the past four years, Kelly had the biggest recruiting advantage ever known to a college coach. His name is Phil Knight, the CEO of Nike and a major University of Oregon donor and school alumnus who pumps millions of dollars into the football program each year. Despite the enormous benefits of this relationship, Kelly never brought a BCS title to Eugene.
In four years with the Ducks, he had a 46-7 record but never finished higher than third in the polls, including 2010 when he lost to Auburn in the BCS National Championship Game. In the NFL, you don't get 10 first-round picks, and in Philly, the league's best free agents aren't lining up to join the Eagles.
2. Out-coached by Stanford
Nearly two months ago, Stanford beat Oregon 17-14 to ruin the Ducks' hopes for a perfect season. Stanford defensive coordinator Derek Mason had 20 working hours that week (mandated by the NCAA, which includes practice, weightlifting, and meetings) to prepare for this so-called NFL-ready offense, and he held them to two touchdowns, 4-of-17 on third down, 0-for-2 on fourth down, and forced a turnover.

I love the discipline and structure that Jim Harbaugh installed at Stanford and that current head coach David Shaw and Mason have continued. And they've done it with much less athletic players than what Kelly had at Oregon. If Kelly's high-powered offense could only manage 14 points against Stanford, how will this offense work in the NFL, where all teams -- more or less -- are on equal footing?


3. QBs exposed to injuries


If we've learned one thing this season in the NFL, it's that you can't expose your franchise quarterback to vicious and violent hits. I'm sure the RG3 phenomenon is adding to the Chip Kelly hype but Robert Griffin III was knocked out of a game three times -- once by concussion, once from a brutal hit from Baltimore Ravens nose tackle Haloti Ngata, and a final time in the playoffs that required surgery and puts his NFL future in jeopardy.
Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota carried the ball 106 times in 13 games for Kelly this season. Overall, Oregon quarterbacks have rushed the ball 464 times in Kelly's four seasons with the Ducks. I'm not sure he can maintain that in the NFL against much bigger, quicker and faster defensive players without losing a quarterback -- be it Michael Vick, Nick Foles, Geno Smith or anyone else -- to injury for a significant amount of time.

The game is constantly changing in small ways, but the basis of championship football will always be physical and mental toughness in the NFL, not gadget offensive schemes. When Kelly and his Oregon squads faced physically tough and defensively sound teams, they did not fare well.


Sure, Oregon kept it close against Auburn in the 2010 title game, and the Ducks didn't do so badly against LSU in 2011 either.

But "keeping it close" and "not so bad" will only get you one thing in the NFL: fired.

Thank you for this. I happen to agree with all of it, although there can be a counter argument to each. I don't think Kelly will be able to bring his offensive system to the NFL and expect 49 points per game, but I also believe he is a very smart football mind and he will be able to adapt his methods.

[seaborneq]

In chip we trust.

[Goat Milk]

Vick is too brittle to play in Kelly's system.

That being said, the Eagles have everything they need to run Kelly's offense. Except a QB.

what type of system is that?

that college double reverse shit and then bomb it into the end zone doesn't work in the nfl.

[You mad bro]

what type of system is that?

that college double reverse shit and then bomb it into the end zone doesn't work in the nfl.

U have no clue ...

[pavyracer]

No Vick is done in the NFL.

[opie1988]

Regardless.....

Eagles

[slacker00]

No Vick is done in the NFL.

As long as Vick is healthy enough and wants to play, some team will put him on the field.

BUF or AZ might be an interesting fit.