Would you care if Lance Armstrong came clean about doping?

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  • ttwarrior1
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    • 06-23-09
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    #1
    Would you care if Lance Armstrong came clean about doping?
    So now, according to the New York Times, Lance Armstrong is considering coming clean and admitting the entire thing was a lie; that he did indeed use performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions to win all those Tour de France titles.
    And this would be news to … um, anyone?
    Certainly not the anti-doping officials and cycling administrators who the Times reports Armstrong has been working with to set up a potential deal that might allow him to return to competitive athletics, mostly ironman triathlons.Lance Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles last year. (AP)
    Armstrong's lawyer would only cryptically tell the Times, "I do not know about [coming clean]. I suppose anything is possible, for sure."
    Here's guessing this is less about the thrill of competition and more about Armstrong realizing that fewer and fewer people are paying attention to him, let alone believing his fable. Here's guessing he has come to the stark realization that there isn't any other way out of that sink hole. It's better to be a humble hypocrite than a nearly forgotten joke.
    It's been painfully obvious that Lance Armstrong cheated for years and years now. There have been mountains of evidence, countless media investigations, a parade of former friends and teammates turned accusers and finally a USADA-produced 1,000 page report that is astounding in its detail.
    And there's been, perhaps most damning of all, the fact that just about every other cyclist of note during Armstrong's generation was busted for doping. So to believe the Armstrong fairy tale is to believe that in a sport full of healthy cheats, it was the clean cancer survivor that was somehow the best.
    It never made any sense.
    There were plenty of people out there, myself included, who simply didn't care. Cycling is a dirty sport. He still had to beat the others. It wasn't clean, but it may have been a relatively even playing field. Besides, what he did off the bike was more important. He inspired so many people across the cancer wards of the world. He raised spirits. He raised money. He raised awareness.


    Of all the atrocities to get angry about, a guy who was less than honest so he could ride his bike real fast around France ranks pretty low.
    The thing is, climbing up from the depths of chemotherapy to the point you could get back in a peloton racing up the Alps is a heck of a story. But Armstrong could never leave it at that, and that's why this has to be more than just an admission, it needs to be an apology. Hundreds of them, actually.
    They say it's never too late for the truth, but this case may test that theory.
    Throughout Armstrong's career, he hasn't just denied he doped, he's tried to destroy anyone who suggested otherwise. He and his henchmen have bullied, intimidated and threatened. They attacked reputations and fought dirty in ways that belied what he was supposed to be about. Everyone was just a jealous liar. Careers were ruined.


    There was ugliness like the time Betsy Andreu, wife of longtime Armstrong teammate Frankie Andreu, got a voicemail declaring, "I hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head." That was after she'd already been dragged through the mud and declared a vindictive nut.
    "A playground bully,'' one of Armstrong's old teammates, Jonathan Vaughters, once described him.
    So now it's all forgiven? Now he just wants to say, OK, I did it?
    Maybe this is a redemption story if he acted differently in the past. Maybe it would be easier to understand that this was a lie that got so big, with so many people counting on it to be true, that he couldn't get out from under it. Maybe this would be easy.
    Lance Armstrong didn't hold back in going after his accusers. (AP)But after all the damage was done, after all the times his lawyers napalmed someone's reputation, after all the times Armstrong took the people closest to him, ones who understood the truth and tried to bury them, this can't be just admitting to something that any thinking person long ago was fairly certain he did.
    Only his sizeable ego could think that's enough.
    No, if this is a new day for Lance, then it needs to be about someone other than just Lance.
    This needs to be about making amends, publicly and painfully, one by one, name by name, to all the people he and his machine tried to run over, all the people whose crime was merely wanting to acknowledge the truth long before the schoolyard bully ran so short of friends he too finally realized it was his only option. from Yahoo! Sports
  • Bigmikesm
    SBR MVP
    • 06-17-09
    • 1616

    #2
    Would not care... Armstrong's accomplishment's are amazing nonetheless and should not be overlooked even if he used performance enhancing drugs.
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    • Vegas39
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      • 09-22-11
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      #3
      Originally posted by Bigmikesm
      Would not care... Armstrong's accomplishment's are amazing nonetheless and should not be overlooked even if he used performance enhancing drugs.

      I agree and the doping in cycling makes the steroid area in baseball look minuscule
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      • ACoochy
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 08-19-09
        • 13949

        #4
        Guys a joke internationally regardless of whether he comes clean or not...
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        • 19th Hole
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-22-09
          • 18381

          #5
          Although he may have been a doper ....

          Lance Armstrong had the common courtesy to
          keep his oversized SHIT TOWEL off of his table at all-you-can-eat buffets....
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          • Vegas39
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            • 09-22-11
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            #6
            Originally posted by ACoochy
            Guys a joke internationally regardless of whether he comes clean or not...
            Kinda fits the whole sport
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            • ACoochy
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              • 08-19-09
              • 13949

              #7
              Originally posted by Vegas39
              Kinda fits the whole sport
              True but you have to be a special kind of fukked up and delusional to act the way Armstrong has.

              I mean would you go out of your way to make the entire world turn against you??

              All the roids have damaged the part of his brain that controls rational thinking....
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              • Vegas39
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                • 09-22-11
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                #8
                Originally posted by ACoochy
                True but you have to be a special kind of fukked and delusional to act the way Armstrong has.I mean would you go out of your way to make the entire world turn against you??All the roids have damaged the part of his brain that controls brain thinking....
                That I agree with and when I heard this I wondered why now? What does he have to gain
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                • ACoochy
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                  • 08-19-09
                  • 13949

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Vegas39
                  That I agree with and when I heard this I wondered why now? What does he have to gain
                  I think he's gotten too many people offside and his charities are going backwards (financially speaking)...

                  Can see him doing this primarily as a way to stop the haemorraging, not because he's genuinely sorry as he's too much of a narcissist to be genuine imo
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                  • Vegas39
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                    • 09-22-11
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ACoochy
                    I think he's gotten too many people offside and his charities are going backwards (financially speaking)...

                    Can see him doing this primarily as a way to stop the haemorraging, not because he's genuinely sorry as he's too much of a narcissist to be genuine imo
                    Pmy wife said same thing. It has to me financially motivated
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                    • DriveFor25
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 04-07-11
                      • 174

                      #11
                      Why is this guy relevant in the first place? Who gives a fukk about the Tour De France?
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                      • tony_come
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                        • 03-31-10
                        • 21695

                        #12
                        He's a cheater

                        Smart and rich

                        Too bad he got caught
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                        • Optional
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                          • 06-10-10
                          • 62135

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Vegas39


                          I agree and the doping in cycling makes the steroid area in baseball look minuscule
                          It's a common Myth that "everyone" always did it.

                          They have back tested all the samples taken in the very first Tour Armstrong won, and only a small minority were on EPO. Only the two or three top teams at most from the evidence known now.


                          The one and only reason "everyone" ended up having to dope in order to compete is because this one guy did it better than everyone else and got away with it for so long. So that "everyone" had to do it in that sport. There was no choice if you wanted to cycle for a living, all because of Lance.
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                          • manny24
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                            • 10-22-07
                            • 20174

                            #14
                            whatever the reasons if you can not tell the truth you have no personal integrity therefore you are nothing but trash imo

                            guy is a fukking parasite and deserves to be forgotten it is what he is most fearful of

                            hope he ends up broke and homeless fukk him
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                            • Wilfred
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                              • 08-19-12
                              • 1908

                              #15
                              I like them having to admit this stuff. Hope he does. Honestly if you look at the bottom line all he did was ride a bike faster than everybody else. Who really cares.
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                              • milwaukee mike
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                                • 08-22-07
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                                #16
                                cheated in racing
                                cheated on his wife
                                cheated on sheryl crow

                                lied about everything

                                the fact that anyone gave this liar and cheat even an ounce of respect is mind boggling. because he set up a cancer foundation to get his friends jobs paying $300,000/year and gives ALMOST ZERO MONEY to cancer research?

                                lance armstrong even sold the livestrong website for millions of dollars that he stuck in his pocket, what a humanitarian
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                                • manny24
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 10-22-07
                                  • 20174

                                  #17
                                  i actually know floyd landis' girlfriend we are related through family

                                  lance went out of his way and destroyed the guys life because he told the truth

                                  incredible athletes can also be complete fukktards

                                  just shows what kind of guy he is
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                                  • ttwarrior1
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                                    • 06-23-09
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                                    #18


                                    might need to listen to his press conference first,
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                                    • gryfyn1
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                                      • 03-30-10
                                      • 3285

                                      #19
                                      there's a lot of thing to not like about Armstrong, but the fact he was doping in a sport where doping isn't exactly uncommon is not near the top of the list.
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                                      • Optional
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                                        • 06-10-10
                                        • 62135

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by gryfyn1
                                        there's a lot of thing to not like about Armstrong, but the fact he was doping in a sport where doping isn't exactly uncommon is not near the top of the list.
                                        ^^^

                                        Originally posted by Optional
                                        It's a common Myth that "everyone" always did it.

                                        They have back tested all the samples taken in the very first Tour Armstrong won, and only a small minority were on EPO. Only the two or three top teams at most from the evidence known now.
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                                        • TheMoneyShot
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                                          • 02-14-07
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                                          #21
                                          Would not care at all. He cheated. Just like many athletes have in every sport.
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                                          • FrozenMAN
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 01-23-09
                                            • 4334

                                            #22
                                            who cares...it's not even a sport
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                                            • Brock Landers
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                                              • 06-30-08
                                              • 45367

                                              #23
                                              i wouldn't care if he got hit by a fuckin bus tomorrow
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                                              • King Mayan
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                                                • 09-22-10
                                                • 21330

                                                #24
                                                No I don't care..

                                                I want MORE PED's in sports...
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                                                • MadTiger
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                                                  • 04-19-09
                                                  • 2724

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Bigmikesm
                                                  Would not care... Armstrong's accomplishment's are amazing nonetheless and should not be overlooked even if he used performance enhancing drugs.
                                                  I was just thinking of this. It was the status quo to cheat, but, in his defense, he was the hardest-working, and most talented, of the cheaters during his time.
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                                                  • manny24
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                                                    • 10-22-07
                                                    • 20174

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by MadTiger
                                                    I was just thinking of this. It was the status quo to cheat, but, in his defense, he was the hardest-working, and most talented, of the cheaters during his time.
                                                    hi lou!
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                                                    • HeeeHAWWWW
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 06-13-08
                                                      • 5487

                                                      #27
                                                      In other news, bears shit in the woods. Bit late to admit it, anyone familiar with cycling knew this about 2005.
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                                                      • MickeyMan
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                                                        • 10-20-09
                                                        • 5091

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by tony_come
                                                        He's a cheater

                                                        Smart and rich

                                                        Too bad he got caught
                                                        Tony gets it.
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                                                        • Dirty Sanchez
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                                                          • 03-01-10
                                                          • 16031

                                                          #29
                                                          For as long as he's denied takings PEDs, and the people he's ruined, coming out now and admitting he's a doper he would probably need to buy a condo in the outer reaches of Mongolia or the Moon because he'll get destroyed by everyone from cyclists to the media, then every penny he made from races and sponsors might be drug into court. He needs to take a lesson from Pete Rose and stick to his story or he's finished
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                                                          • chilidog
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                                                            • 04-05-09
                                                            • 10305

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                            i wouldn't care if he got hit by a fuckin bus tomorrow
                                                            SBR feels the exact same about you, you cheeky little phaggot c.unt.
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                                                            • Naz18
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                                                              • 09-10-09
                                                              • 4277

                                                              #31
                                                              Hopefully it will shut up those idiots who keep whining that he never failed a drug test...
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                                                              • garygroundwork
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 02-12-12
                                                                • 729

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by manny24
                                                                whatever the reasons if you can not tell the truth you have no personal integrity therefore you are nothing but trash imo

                                                                guy is a fukking parasite and deserves to be forgotten it is what he is most fearful of

                                                                hope he ends up broke and homeless fukk him
                                                                this. Summed up perfectly.
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                                                                • Optional
                                                                  Administrator
                                                                  • 06-10-10
                                                                  • 62135

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez
                                                                  For as long as he's denied takings PEDs, and the people he's ruined, coming out now and admitting he's a doper he would probably need to buy a condo in the outer reaches of Mongolia or the Moon because he'll get destroyed by everyone from cyclists to the media, then every penny he made from races and sponsors might be drug into court. He needs to take a lesson from Pete Rose and stick to his story or he's finished
                                                                  He has (had?) the ears of business leaders, church leaders, prime ministers and presidents.

                                                                  He's charismatic like the devil. Like Jim Jones.

                                                                  He'll manage to make a success of something else whatever he says. And whatever he says will be part of the plan/game.
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