Open shop, pay off SBR, make money, and if you lose, just steal 1.5 million

[Albert Pujols]

I guess that flies with no repurcussions.

[boeing power]

It was pretty easy.

Especially when you have friends in high places.

[VegasInsider]

Where are the total figures coming from?? 1.5 mil seems like an awful lot

[BIGDAY]

Mr Pujoles. Watch your step pal...

[tblues2005]

That sounds like a big amount to take off with. Are you sure it was that large? All I know SBR hasn't said a thing and I am very disappointed in their actions on this matter. I hope something good comes out of this.

[tto827]

That sounds like a big amount to take off with. Are you sure it was that large? All I know SBR hasn't said a thing and I am very disappointed in their actions on this matter. I hope something good comes out of this.

According to this It was 1.2-1.5 million. But they probably had spent some of that on other things, whether they even walked away in the green in unknown, although I highly doubt anyone lost money in this fiasco besides the players.

[The Kraken]

Nobody ran off with 1.5 million. It's possible that's in the ballpark to what is owed but Jon didn't give himself a 1.5mil bonus this year. Not that that makes it any better however.

[sickler]

According to this It was 1.2-1.5 million. But they probably had spent some of that on other things, whether they even walked away in the green in unknown, although I highly doubt anyone lost money in this fiasco besides the players.

[billysink]

Fukks wrong with all of you. The fukkin DOJ has your damn money or made damn sure there was not gonna be any for you to see. Not Jon. Not Vinnie B. (although he ain't gonna be broke any time soon) nor anyone fukkin else. This is not a risk management problem or a rip off. It is the result of a fukkin sweep.

This fukkin walking stick of artwork ain't take shit from anybody. Kid is just a con pawn. Now then, he wasn't overtly honest about the situation, nor was anyone here but the fukkin DOJ fixxed Bet Islands and its illicit customer base.

Folk running laps here to point fingers should probably be doing their homework instead. The whole industry in Costa Rica as it relates to the US is on the fukkin brink due to changing Costa Rican banking laws, diplomatic pressure and the DOJ and all fukks can do is point their fingers at some skinny fukked up painted kid who was in over his fukkin head from the get go.

I got more news for you. Bambi wasn't a bankrobber.

[shari91]

Nobody ran off with 1.5 million. It's possible that's in the ballpark to what is owed but Jon didn't give himself a 1.5mil bonus this year. Not that that makes it any better however.

I've been waiting for someone to bring this up or at least for someone to start a thread asking posters how much they ever deposited at BI vs what they're owed. As soon as that owed number gets higher than the amount they deposited = the figure is air. There is no way those guys who were on payment plans for high 5 figures/6 figures deposited anything close to that and I'd bet most guys here didn't either thanks to the half point, bonuses and freeplays. Doesn't make the situation any better but I think some people are convinced there was 1.5 million worth of deposits sitting in an account that Jon ran away with which is ridiculous. Bloody book didn't even take non US residents or CC deposits.

[CollegePro]

I've been waiting for someone to bring this up or at least for someone to start a thread asking posters how much they ever deposited at BI vs what they're owed. As soon as that owed number gets higher than the amount they deposited = the figure is air. There is no way those guys who were on payment plans for high 5 figures/6 figures deposited anything close to that and I'd bet most guys here didn't either thanks to the half point, bonuses and freeplays. Doesn't make the situation any better but I think some people are convinced there was 1.5 million worth of deposits sitting in an account that Jon ran away with which is ridiculous. Bloody book didn't even take non US residents or CC deposits.

welcome back! where have you guys been?? SBR admin and mods...

[CollegePro]

I've been waiting for someone to bring this up or at least for someone to start a thread asking posters how much they ever deposited at BI vs what they're owed. As soon as that owed number gets higher than the amount they deposited = the figure is air. There is no way those guys who were on payment plans for high 5 figures/6 figures deposited anything close to that and I'd bet most guys here didn't either thanks to the half point, bonuses and freeplays. Doesn't make the situation any better but I think some people are convinced there was 1.5 million worth of deposits sitting in an account that Jon ran away with which is ridiculous. Bloody book didn't even take non US residents or CC deposits.

how is that ridiculous?? even though SBR is keep saying Jon was only GM @ betislands, there are good amount of evidences showing that he was the owner/operator(Jon calling himself owner/operator in some of threads and SBR_John also says owner/operator). if this was the case, he definitely sure has ability to take 1.5 mil and dissapear. I am sure that 1.5 figure is not accurate. but at this point, figure doesn't really matter. Truth is, he took off with at least some of the players' money.

[shari91]

welcome back! where have you guys been?? SBR admin and mods...

I work Mon to Fri 6pm to midnight AEST. But it's Xmas so I thankfully have had quite a bit to do other than hang out online.

Still not sure what's so funny with what I posted though. Do you really think more people deposited than were owed at BI within recent months?

[CollegePro]

I work Mon to Fri 6pm to midnight AEST. But it's Xmas so I thankfully have had quite a bit to do other than hang out online.

Still not sure what's so funny with what I posted though. Do you really think more people deposited than were owed at BI within recent months?

I think so.. because the fact that only minimum numbers of people got paid only by p2p. I am not sure how many people actually deposited but there were people who deposited even a day before all this shit happened. they thought payout delay was only a "hiccup" since there was no report or any sign @ SBR. so yes, I think there was more deposit made than successfully made payout(amount wise).

and why I am laughing?? because you guys didn't say shit.. SBR_John probably asked you guys to stay low until he figures out what he is going to do..

[CollegePro]

I work Mon to Fri 6pm to midnight AEST. But it's Xmas so I thankfully have had quite a bit to do other than hang out online.

Still not sure what's so funny with what I posted though. Do you really think more people deposited than were owed at BI within recent months?

i had things to do as well, but this fiasco just fukked up my current lifestyle.. I just want to come here and vent until SBR actually say something officially. so far, bill comes in and say couple things here and there. that's not enough.

[eastern2]

I work Mon to Fri 6pm to midnight AEST. But it's Xmas so I thankfully have had quite a bit to do other than hang out online.

Still not sure what's so funny with what I posted though. Do you really think more people deposited than were owed at BI within recent months?

Ok so they only stole 500k so don't complain

Signed,

SBR

[CollegePro]

Ok so they only stole 500k so don't complain

Signed,

SBR

I didn't read her post this way.. but more I read it, more it sounds like this way.. wow.. so shari, it's okay just because YOU think more ppl got their payout than ppl who made a deposit?? that's fukked up.

[shari91]

how is that ridiculous?? even though SBR is keep saying Jon was only GM @ betislands, there are good amount of evidences showing that he was the owner/operator(Jon calling himself owner/operator in some of threads and SBR_John also says owner/operator). if this was the case, he definitely sure has ability to take 1.5 mil and dissapear. I am sure that 1.5 figure is not accurate. but at this point, figure doesn't really matter. Truth is, he took off with at least some of the players' money.

Jon was not the owner. He was the face of the company as has been explained several times already. Where would Jon have gotten the money from to make payouts for as long as they did? How much do you think people were actually depositing to BI? When the backer pulled out, no one else wanted to take over the book. Have you considered why? You'd think it would be a lot of goodwill for another sportsbook, especially this time of year. But at BI the majority of cash owed is to a group of people already banned or severely limited at most books because they've been deemed pros. Do you think they were depositing wads of cash while on payment plans? And the majority of the others tried/did run up balances based on small deposits, whatever freeplays they could wrangle and bonuses. Which is why people should be asking how much a poster deposited vs what they're owed to get a clearer picture. I could make a $200 deposit and run it up to 30k. But I've only given BI $200 and now they're in the hole 28k. Where is that 28k going to come from? Again: No one wants to offer a bailout for good reason.

[CollegePro]

now i understand wow SBR_John wanted mods/admin to not say shit... this place is truly shit

[CollegePro]

Jon was not the owner. He was the face of the company as has been explained several times already. Where would Jon have gotten the money from to make payouts for as long as they did? How much do you think people were actually depositing to BI? When the backer pulled out, no one else wanted to take over the book. Have you considered why? You'd think it would be a lot of goodwill for another sportsbook, especially this time of year. But at BI the majority of cash owed is to a group of people already banned or severely limited at most books because they've been deemed pros. Do you think they were depositing wads of cash while on payment plans? And the majority of the others tried/did run up balances based on small deposits, whatever freeplays they could wrangle and bonuses. Which is why people should be asking how much a poster deposited vs what they're owed to get a clearer picture. I could make a $200 deposit and run it up to 30k. But I've only given BI $200 and now they're in the hole 28k. Where is that 28k going to come from? Again: No one wants to offer a bailout for good reason.

I know you gamble too(obviously). So my question is, let say you made a deposit of $200 and you got lucky and your balance went up to like 25k. So do you consider that money not yours?? I know what you are trying to say...but what I am trying to say is the way Jon left couple of weeks ago(according to himself) because of financial issue, and yet SBR or Jon didn't say a single word about this until it was too late... if there was even a small hint showing that betislands is financially struggling right now, people who have stopped deposit their hard earned money.. but because the fact that SBR and Jon stayed silently, there were more victims in this case.

[shari91]

and why I am laughing?? because you guys didn't say shit.. SBR_John probably asked you guys to stay low until he figures out what he is going to do..

Then why would I be talking now? I haven't seen him announce anything, have you?

Ok so they only stole 500k so don't complain

Signed,

SBR

Twist what I'm saying all you want but anyone with a brain gets it. If a business is taking in less revenue than it owes, once its cash reserves are gone they're in trouble. Either they find a saviour to inject cash to pay the debts or they fold. Doesn't matter what kind of business. And like I said, doesn't make the situation any better but it's reality. Anyway, I'm not going to argue Business 101. Kind of pointless.

[CollegePro]

Jon was not the owner. He was the face of the company as has been explained several times already. Where would Jon have gotten the money from to make payouts for as long as they did? How much do you think people were actually depositing to BI? When the backer pulled out, no one else wanted to take over the book. Have you considered why? You'd think it would be a lot of goodwill for another sportsbook, especially this time of year. But at BI the majority of cash owed is to a group of people already banned or severely limited at most books because they've been deemed pros. Do you think they were depositing wads of cash while on payment plans? And the majority of the others tried/did run up balances based on small deposits, whatever freeplays they could wrangle and bonuses. Which is why people should be asking how much a poster deposited vs what they're owed to get a clearer picture. I could make a $200 deposit and run it up to 30k. But I've only given BI $200 and now they're in the hole 28k. Where is that 28k going to come from? Again: No one wants to offer a bailout for good reason.

Jon also said he was the "owner/operator". do I need to find that thread and link it here for you to see it? there is big difference between owner/operator and GM. I don't know... maybe SBR already delete that thread where he said it..lol

[CollegePro]

Then why would I be talking now? I haven't seen him announce anything, have you?

because SBR_John says you can. lolz.. he gave you "go"... slowly let sbr employee to talk and see ppl's reaction.

[allin1]

Jon was not the owner.

with a simple search on sbr you will find that jon posted that he is the founder and owner of bi so which one is the lie?

[shari91]

I know you gamble too(obviously). So my question is, let say you made a deposit of $200 and you got lucky and your balance went up to like 25k. So do you consider that money not yours?? I know what you are trying to say...but what I am trying to say is the way Jon left couple of weeks ago(according to himself) because of financial issue, and yet SBR or Jon didn't say a single word about this until it was too late... if there was even a small hint showing that betislands is financially struggling right now, people who have stopped deposit their hard earned money.. but because the fact that SBR and Jon stayed silently, there were more victims in this case.

Of course I'd consider that money mine. And each time another poster said something like "you take a risk betting offshore, you were stupid to leave such a large balance, no one forced you to deposit or play there" I'd be raging. Despite what eastern tried to imply I was saying, I was merely pointing out why anyone wouldn't have had a bagful of money at BI to run away with and why no one else wants to offer a bailout. As far as what SBR knew and when, I'd have no clue about that. Not only am I not in the CR office obviously but I work when no one else is. Call me naive but do I think they would ever try to fukk posters over? No. If anything I'd guess they're feeling pretty hurt and angry about it all as well.

[CollegePro]

Of course I'd consider that money mine. And each time another poster said something like "you take a risk betting offshore, you were stupid to leave such a large balance, no one forced you to deposit or play there" I'd be raging. Despite what eastern tried to imply I was saying, I was merely pointing out why anyone wouldn't have had a bagful of money at BI to run away with and why no one else wants to offer a bailout. As far as what SBR knew and when, I'd have no clue about that. Not only am I not in the CR office obviously but I work when no one else is. Call me naive but do I think they would ever try to fukk posters over? No. If anything I'd guess they're feeling pretty hurt and angry about it all as well.

well, I hope SBR_John will come here and speak pretty soon.. and also hope he can say same thing as what you said on your last sentence.. but I highly doubt it based on how bill was talking..

[shari91]

Jon also said he was the "owner/operator". do I need to find that thread and link it here for you to see it? there is big difference between owner/operator and GM. I don't know... maybe SBR already delete that thread where he said it..lol

I've seen him say that. And I'm sure you've seen pics and the video of him. You think he himself had the money to pay everyone especially when they were a new book? They were getting hyped by posters on here well before they had a banner here. Where was that money coming from for the first 6mths or year or whatever? It sure wasn't coming from SSLP's pockets.

[allin1]

Call me naive but do I think they would ever try to fukk posters over? No. If anything I'd guess they're feeling pretty hurt and angry about it all as well.

If this was the case John would have probably posted an official statement saying sorry and giving some explanations as soon as the news got out. This silence treatment is making things look even more suspicious.

[allin1]

I've seen him say that. And I'm sure you've seen pics and the video of him. You think he himself had the money to pay everyone especially when they were a new book? They were getting hyped by posters on here well before they had a banner here. Where was that money coming from for the first 6mths or year or whatever? It sure wasn't coming from SSLP's pockets.

then why was jon and sbr saying that he is the owner and founder of bi and all of a sudden after closing shop with the money he was just the gm?

ridiculous.

it is insulting to treat us like we are all complete morons

[CollegePro]

I've seen him say that. And I'm sure you've seen pics and the video of him. You think he himself had the money to pay everyone especially when they were a new book? They were getting hyped by posters on here well before they had a banner here. Where was that money coming from for the first 6mths or year or whatever? It sure wasn't coming from SSLP's pockets.

maybe you haven't been reading what I and other posters have been posting.. cuz you just came back here which is understandable. I truly think SBR_John was part of this... and to answer your question, it probably came from SBR_John. and I know you are going to say that's ridiculous... but at this point, it doesn't really matter.. If I knew that tattoo kid was Jon, I would have not sent single cent to that place.. especially that video where they were going to costa rican whore house... low life fukks..

[shari91]

If this was the case John would have probably posted an official statement saying sorry and giving some explanations as soon as the news got out. This silence treatment is making things look even more suspicious.

John's been far from silent. Take a look at his most recent posts.

This is actually his latest one:

You really think SBR didn't comment to get an extra week of advertising? That's insulting but ok. We were fed a constant diet of everything is ok, we have new processing, payments will go out tomorrow, we always pay blah blah. Even up until Sunday we were assured payments would go out Monday. This morning they were still trying to buy another day and trying to convince us everything was fine. In hindsight we should of hit the panic button sooner. We all wish they would have followed through and got payments going instead of lying through their teeth.

[CollegePro]

John's been far from silent. Take a look at his most recent posts.

This is actually his latest one:

and when did he post that?? I honestly didn't see that post even though I thought I read everything about betislands..

[allin1]

John's been far from silent. Take a look at his most recent posts.

This is actually his latest one:

sorry I didn't see that

[shari91]

maybe you haven't been reading what I and other posters have been posting.. cuz you just came back here which is understandable. I truly think SBR_John was part of this... and to answer your question, it probably came from SBR_John. and I know you are going to say that's ridiculous... but at this point, it doesn't really matter.. If I knew that tattoo kid was Jon, I would have not sent single cent to that place.. especially that video where they were going to costa rican whore house... low life fukks..

We'll have to agree to disagree CP.

I truly hope something happens to get you guys back your cash. No one deserves to lose money like that.

[shari91]

and when did he post that?? I honestly didn't see that post even though I thought I read everything about betislands..

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/2079568-should-sbr-reponsible-reimbursing-players-p2.html#post17174804