Questions for US residents / citizens who play @ offshore bookies that steal their $

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-18-12, 12:39 PM

You can have an account with BetFair @ no time ... lolololol lmao ... I remember my ex (fuking bish) wanted to play with me when we were in Dallas TX and we opened a BetFair account from Dallas, TX with a UK address and they asked for a proof of address and we sent them a Natwest Bank Statement and her US Passport lololol and they accepted it even though she had only US Passport to use, and we used a UK proxy and placed tons of bets from a US soil, used a UK card to deposit .... deposits / withdrawals went smoothly.

Just the fees you guys pay for shitty offshore books worth more than a nice flight + hotel + car rental + hooker in London .... you can get better than that.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-18-12, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

I want some comments on this, please!!!

????

**WvGambler** · 12-18-12, 01:58 PM

Because all these guys whining, truly have $50-$200 dollars in these books.

flight to the UK

**Seaweed** · 12-18-12, 02:00 PM

sharp post

**Cicima6709** · 12-18-12, 02:01 PM

Because that can backfire, and suddenly your risk is a lot greater.

**tto827** · 12-18-12, 02:02 PM

Because those "honest" books you speak of could definitely void all your winnings if they wanted to or found out, which is not that difficult to do. All of the CRIS books still seem to be top notch, I am always weary of anywhere besides one of them, or 5Dimes. Books that offer a free half point clearly can be beaten, giving up most if not all of their edge by doing so. Even if they paid for a while, seemed a bit like that candy store that sold everything for way too cheap that opens in town, once something goes wrong, they are done for.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-18-12, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by tto827

Because those "honest" books you speak of could definitely void all your winnings if they wanted to or found out, which is not that difficult to do. All of the CRIS books still seem to be top notch, I am always weary of anywhere besides one of them, or 5Dimes. Books that offer a free half point clearly can be beaten, giving up most if not all of their edge by doing so. Even if they paid for a while, seemed a bit like that candy store that sold everything for way too cheap that opens in town, once something goes wrong, they are done for.

They HAVE to pay you!!!!!

1) You prove your ID by sending a scan of your Driving License or Passport (or other Government ID card)
2) You provde your ADDRESS by sending a scan of your bank statement (which is sent to your UK mail forwarding address)
3) You have a UK phone number so they call you to your UK number which forwards the phone call to your mobile in the US (i.e. by using DidLogic.com)
4) You use a UK proxy to access the site (i.e. by using Astrill.com or any other VPN provider)

Even if they "catch" you logging with a US IP, you tell them your cousin wanted to check out the site - they cannot suspend you because you are fully verified !!!!!!

And it costs almost nothing to set this up.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-18-12, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Cicima6709

Because that can backfire, and suddenly your risk is a lot greater.

No no no, it cannot backfire.... !!!
I am doing this for a very long time sir

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-18-12, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Seaweed

sharp post

Thanks!

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-18-12, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by WvGambler

Because all these guys whining, truly have $50-$200 dollars in these books.

flight to the UK

They said they have $40,000 in these books ....

Have they meant to say they have $40,000 divided by 200 in practice?

**k13** · 12-18-12, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

They said they have $40,000 in these books ....

Have they meant to say they have $40,000 divided by 200 in practice?

My dick is 2 feet long. There, I said it so it must be true.

**mcaulay777** · 12-18-12, 06:42 PM

Thats too much work you might as well just move to nevada that seems a lot easier.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by mcaulay777

Thats too much work you might as well just move to nevada that seems a lot easier.

It's not!
I did it to place a bet of £15,000 on Obama to win £6,000 and it was worth it, every penny spent!

**daimoshokage** · 12-19-12, 04:43 AM

stupid post!

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by daimoshokage

stupid post!

I totally disagree the post is stupid.
Some people rather lose money to offshore books who steal their $$$ instead, why encourage it anyway?
So in 6 months we'll see another big thread about the next "BetIslands" who scammed its customers?

**Scooter** · 12-19-12, 05:20 AM

What is your citizenship?

What do you use when they demand to see a utility bill dated with the last 3 months and not for a cell phone?

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by Scooter

What is your citizenship?

What do you use when they demand to see a utility bill dated with the last 3 months and not for a cell phone?

I have an Israeli and European Passport but I provided my Israeli Passport (scan) tons of times, without revealing that I'm also a EU citizen ... I don't think they care about your citizenship, the passport is serving as a proof of your ID.

When they demand to see a utility bill I use a Bank Statement, it's easy as 1-2-3

You can set up UK mail forwarding, it costs about £1 to £2 to send your post with regular mail, you can even order nice stuff from the UK (although I believe everything you can buy in the UK already exists in the USA and for a cheaper price, no?

)

I ordered a book from Amazon to this address and forwarded it to myself as well, it was good stuff as well coz the seller was British and asked for only £1 for the book plus few pence for shipping

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

I have an Israeli and European Passport but I provided my Israeli Passport (scan) tons of times, without revealing that I'm also a EU citizen ... I don't think they care about your citizenship, the passport is serving as a proof of your ID.

When they demand to see a utility bill I use a Bank Statement, it's easy as 1-2-3

You can set up UK mail forwarding, it costs about £1 to £2 to send your post with regular mail, you can even order nice stuff from the UK (although I believe everything you can buy in the UK already exists in the USA and for a cheaper price, no?

)

I ordered a book from Amazon to this address and forwarded it to myself as well, it was good stuff as well coz the seller was British and asked for only £1 for the book plus few pence for shipping

btw Halifax did require my EU Passport.
With Barclays I opened the account with an Israeli Driving License and a proof of address (another bank statement), hahahaha, not even a Passport, nada.

**darrell74** · 12-19-12, 06:11 AM

I'm an American.
I play in the hundreds.
If I had $40,000, UK sounds like a great idea.

Offshore is tough, thats why I would never put 5 figures in, if I had it.
I could live w/ myself if I was scammed out of hundreds.
But thousands-I couldn't handle it.

Vegas-Shittttt.
I don't make enough money to get a hookup-I'm not some phuckin 'whale' or whatever.
Couple hundred for a plane, few hundred for a hotel. And the food is phuckin horrible on the strip/downtown.
These phuckin 'champagne brunches' they have where it costs $40 for scrambled eggs under a heat lamp.
I'm lookin at $800 in overhead before I lay a wager in sports-I simply can't afford that.

I met one local, about 5 years ago-wanted at least $500 a pop-I can't do that.

Thats why I offshore bet in the caribbean. Its all I got, short of moving to Vegas.(aint moving to Vegas in this economy)
I hope SBR doesn't lead me astray and is able to recommend some reliable books.
SBR is very important to me in that matter. I need their information because of this.

**Speedy88** · 12-19-12, 06:13 AM

nice thread bro.

**Big Bear** · 12-19-12, 06:52 AM

Mods saloon this please

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by darrell74

I met one local, about 5 years ago-wanted at least $500 a pop-I can't do that.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what does it mean in simple English?
What is a "pop"?

**Easy-Rider 66** · 12-19-12, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

Sorry for my ignorance, but what does it mean in simple English?
What is a "pop"?

Probably means $500 minimum wager.

**alling** · 12-19-12, 08:52 AM

UK sucks with their stupid worship of a monarchy just for show, bad food and country full of assholes. Why penetrate around with that POS country when you can bet in the US? If you have $40,000 to play with move to the Nevada area.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 09:06 AM

flying to europe and opening a foreign bank account without declaring it on an irs fbar form is a federal crime.

and trying to get the money back to the u.s. would be a huge pain in the ass

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

flying to europe and opening a foreign bank account without declaring it on an irs fbar form is a federal crime.

and trying to get the money back to the u.s. would be a huge pain in the ass

Hmmmm.... that's something I didn't know ... I don't have this obligation, see, coz I don't live in the US and I'm not a US citizen ... does it apply to your account even if you hold there a small amount let's say £1000 - £2000 only?

And why can't you get the money out using an ATM?
I use Halifax Clarity Card, I get the MastarKard Exchange rate (mispelled in purpose), it's better than making a wire transfer or anything, I just cash out of ATM in any currency and the best conversion rate, no fees no commissions ... it's gr8.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by alling

UK sucks with their stupid worship of a monarchy just for show, bad food and country full of assholes. Why penetrate around with that POS country when you can bet in the US? If you have $40,000 to play with move to the Nevada area.

lololol .... forget about the UK as a country and forget their culture .... just use it if it saves you money, don't worry about the rest ... I care about the queen as much as I care about my ex now.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

Hmmmm.... that's something I didn't know ... I don't have this obligation, see, coz I don't live in the US and I'm not a US citizen ... does it apply to your account even if you hold there a small amount let's say £1000 - £2000 only?

And why can't you get the money out using an ATM?
I use Halifax Clarity Card, I get the MastarKard Exchange rate (mispelled in purpose), it's better than making a wire transfer or anything, I just cash out of ATM in any currency and the best conversion rate, no fees no commissions ... it's gr8.

the reporting requirement for fbar is if you had $10,000 or more TOTAL at any point in the year. if it is $50,000 or more at the end of the year OR $75,000 at any point during the year, then you also have to file form 8938.

not filing those forms is a criminal offense which can result in prison time.

atm cards could work, but i don't think too many foreign banks (if any) want to deal with u.s. citizens.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

the reporting requirement for fbar is if you had $10,000 or more TOTAL at any point in the year. if it is $50,000 or more at the end of the year OR $75,000 at any point during the year, then you also have to file form 8938.

not filing those forms is a criminal offense which can result in prison time.

atm cards could work, but i don't think too many foreign banks (if any) want to deal with u.s. citizens.

First of all I don't agree with the notion but supposed it's right:
You guys don't have European grandfathers or something like that? (After all USA is a country that exists for less than 300 years!)
You cannot get a 2nd Passport?

Regarding the $10,000 at any point, this shouldn't be a problem, just keep it under £6,000 and you should be fine ... my friend btw is a US citizen and he easily opened a Bank Account in the UK ...

Don't forget, they DO NOT have to know your citizenship, just easily issue a UK driving license and that's it, or use your American one, they really don't give a damn about your country of citizenship, they only care you put money in the bank, that's all.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 09:54 AM

^^^
that's still a lot of risk, and a lot of time, money, and effort just to make a bet.

for example, if i wanted to get a 2nd passport for my 4 family members, i would have to go to chicago after getting certified copies of all of our birth certificates, as well as the birth certificates and death certificates of about 20 other family members, which of course i would have to write back and forth to the foreign country to get (and all their paperwork will be in that foreign language). then fill out a million forms, talk to 25 different people, etc etc etc - just a ridiculous process.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 09:56 AM

And there are no forms to fill out regarding USA papers if you open a UK bank account ... if you open an offshore account (Jersey, Isle of Man) this is becoming complex, but if you are deemed as "resident" it is not a problem, you open a UK local bank account and skip on all the forms and such ... they only ask for your ID, Address, plans for the account and that's it!

Guys, you gotta think outside of the USA box to enjoy the benefit of being free in the world, it's fun and it's worth it.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

^^^
that's still a lot of risk, and a lot of time, money, and effort just to make a bet.

for example, if i wanted to get a 2nd passport for my 4 family members, i would have to go to chicago after getting certified copies of all of our birth certificates, as well as the birth certificates and death certificates of about 20 other family members, which of course i would have to write back and forth to the foreign country to get (and all their paperwork will be in that foreign language). then fill out a million forms, talk to 25 different people, etc etc etc - just a ridiculous process.

It's not million of forms hahahahaa.... omg mike ....
My papers were left with my aunt in New York, she kept them .... I used them and within 4 months got my Passport, it's not as complicated as you think and a 2nd Passport is not useful only to place a bet!!!!!

My family in the USA never issued a 2nd passport because they don't think they need one ... well, I'm going to get thanks to my EU Passport social security from 2 different countries now (UK, Israel) when I retire (please god hope to get there after finding a good wife and not a bish like my ex, still looking for one) ....

You guys understimate the power of trying new things, Israelis never do that, in our culture if we have the opportunity we just take it ... I think in your culture it's easy for you to give up and say "nah, never mind, too much hassle" ... it's not!!!

I'm saving tons of money with my card, saving retire money from Israel & UK, enjoy the freedom of being anywhere I want (here or there), and yes, place bets sometimes as well, but betting is not my life ... it's just an option given to me, so I can use it for instance to play big on Obama in the elections (risked $25,000 back then).

I don't know why you think it's complex .... and forget about citizenships and such, just use your American license when you come to the UK, open a basic account, after 3-4 days get the statement, use it to open a normal account with it, get the online banking and everything posted to you and you're done! no more worries about it ...

I mean don't do it just for the sake of doing it, are you guys not traveling to the UK ever? Or any other European country? Just do it when you travel "on the go".

**tblues2005** · 12-19-12, 10:02 AM

It would be a hassle unless you are betting large amounts there. I think you would be better off by flying out to Vegas that doing this.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by tblues2005

It would be a hassle unless you are betting large amounts there. I think you would be better off by flying out to Vegas that doing this.

I personally disagree coz I think the UK opens more options for you.
They work like robots, you send them your bank statement and copy of passport, and you're done, they never ask for it again and you can bet unlimited.

You can use Bet365, William Hill, Ladbrokes, Paddy Power, BETFAIR (yes yes), Coral, BetFred and many many more!
You don't get that in Vegas, and Vegas forces you to stay there to bet!!! With the UK you just open a bank account and you're done!! From then you can bet from the comfort of your home in St. Louis or California, it doesn't matter where you live in the world !!