key to beating to the Lakers this year...

[zoo youk]

get to tip off on time....

[onacloud]

Let Kobe score 30+ = easy victory for opposing teams

[thetrinity]

alrite thats pretty funny, they are now 1-11 when kobe scores over 30

[onacloud]

alrite thats pretty funny, they are now 1-11 when kobe scores over 30

I love it I can't wait to see this stat at the end of the season and see what all the Kobe lovers have to say

[ad617]

if you think the mamba is the problem with the lakeshow, you're not paying attention

[wantitall4moi]

if you think the mamba is the problem with the lakeshow, you're not paying attention

he's been their problem since 2008

[King Mayan]

Zoo worry about your Knicks winning something first...

Knicks

[William Walters]

I love it I can't wait to see this stat at the end of the season and see what all the Kobe lovers have to say

Bulls...........no NBA titles in 15 years and counting

[William Walters]

get to tip off on time....

Knicks no NBA titles in.................wait for it............wait for it................40 years and counting.

[William Walters]

he's been their problem since 2008

Any fresh hooker reviews lately freako?

http://forum.sbrforum.com/saloon/1564159-wantitall4moi-pays-sex-proof-inside.html

[upscope]

he's been their problem since 2008

He only has 2 rings since "he's been their problem".....You must have expected more from him

[PAULYPOKER]

key to beating to the Lakers this year...

Show up............

[thes0vereign]

he's been their problem since 2008

Without that so-called "problem", Lakers don't win 2009 & 2010 titles.

[onacloud]

Bulls...........no NBA titles in 15 years and counting

Keep living in the past

Should I run around saying MJ played for the Bulls and won 6 titles in 8 eight years?

Let me guess you think Kobe has been more valuable to the Lakers then Shaq right?

Have fun fighting for a playoff spot this year

[wantitall4moi]

He only has 2 rings since "he's been their problem".....You must have expected more from him

"He" didnt get them, "He" got Phil Jackson back and Pau Gasol to come in and save him, Bynum playing over his head didnt hurt either.

Kobe cant do shit without guys around him, he isnt worth anywhere near the money he has been paid.

Sure he can be a highlight reel, but in doing so he totally abandons any sort of team play concept, thats why they have the record they do in the scoring subsets people are citing everywhere. His team mates shut down and basically let him be a one man show.

Kobe Bryant NEVER made anyone better. He has gotten all the credit for what the lakers have done, but IMO they have won in spite of him not because of him. Had you flipped Allan Iverson and Kobe around they would probably have similar career 'accomplishments', just reversed, Kobe is a clear case of right place right time.

[William Walters]

Keep living in the past

Should I run around saying MJ played for the Bulls and won 6 titles in 8 eight years?

Let me guess you think Kobe has been more valuable to the Lakers then Shaq right?

Have fun fighting for a playoff spot this year

6 titles in nearly 50 years.

One run under MJ.........otherwise.........totally inept franchise.

Current star is a FRACTURED PLAYER......no titles in foreseeable future.

Bulls franchise

[William Walters]

wantitall getting buried at EOG............they all think he's a douche as well.

[King Mayan]

7 times to the nba finals in the last 12 years...

Laker haters

[ngates815]

6 titles in nearly 50 years.

One run under MJ.........otherwise.........totally inept franchise.

Current star is a FRACTURED PLAYER......no titles in foreseeable future.

Bulls franchise

If you're saying no Bulls titles in the forseeable future...How's your feelings towards the lakers next 5 years?
Which team would you think will have more playoff wins?

[FZA]

"He" didnt get them, "He" got Phil Jackson back and Pau Gasol to come in and save him, Bynum playing over his head didnt hurt either.

Kobe cant do shit without guys around him, he isnt worth anywhere near the money he has been paid.

Sure he can be a highlight reel, but in doing so he totally abandons any sort of team play concept, thats why they have the record they do in the scoring subsets people are citing everywhere. His team mates shut down and basically let him be a one man show.

Kobe Bryant NEVER made anyone better. He has gotten all the credit for what the lakers have done, but IMO they have won in spite of him not because of him. Had you flipped Allan Iverson and Kobe around they would probably have similar career 'accomplishments', just reversed, Kobe is a clear case of right place right time.

Even with a few good guys around him right now Kobe is still struggling to be a team player and win

[onacloud]

If you're saying no Bulls titles in the forseeable future...How's your feelings towards the lakers next 5 years?
Which team would you think will have more playoff wins?

[PAULYPOKER]

Kobe is nuthin but a selfish kuntt

[King Mayan]

If you're saying no Bulls titles in the forseeable future...How's your feelings towards the lakers next 5 years?
Which team would you think will have more playoff wins?

We feel great.. Lakers have cash and a demanding fan base...

[ngates815]

I'm no bulls fanboy either...Yes they're the team I root for...But I'm not silly enough to think they'll be stopping Miami any time soon...And if Knicks are playing this way they're scary as well.

[crustyme]

Kobe cant do shit without guys around him, he isnt worth anywhere near the money he has been paid.

what is jordan's record without pippen?

i believe it's under .500 and 1-9 in the playoffs.

[William Walters]

If you're saying no Bulls titles in the forseeable future...How's your feelings towards the lakers next 5 years?
Which team would you think will have more playoff wins?

Back off or I'll pull your fukkin hair sport.

[ngates815]

Back off or I'll pull your fukkin hair sport.

hehe

[upscope]

"He" didnt get them, "He" got Phil Jackson back and Pau Gasol to come in and save him, Bynum playing over his head didnt hurt either.

Kobe cant do shit without guys around him, he isnt worth anywhere near the money he has been paid.

Sure he can be a highlight reel, but in doing so he totally abandons any sort of team play concept, thats why they have the record they do in the scoring subsets people are citing everywhere. His team mates shut down and basically let him be a one man show.

Kobe Bryant NEVER made anyone better. He has gotten all the credit for what the lakers have done, but IMO they have won in spite of him not because of him. Had you flipped Allan Iverson and Kobe around they would probably have similar career 'accomplishments', just reversed, Kobe is a clear case of right place right time.

Yea, you're right the back2back Finals MVP had nothing to do w/ the Lakers winning. It was all because "Bynum played over his head"

2010 Finals Kobe avg: 40.9min 28.6/8.0/3.9
2009 Finals Kobe avg: 43.5min 32.4/5.6/7.4

2010 Finals Bynum avg: 24.8min 7.4/5.1/0.0
2009 Finals Bynum avg: 18.7min 6.0/4.2/0.6




Wanti, you truly are one of the more ignorant & delusional posters I have ever come across not only on this board but any board.

[wantitall4moi]

Yea, you're right the back2back Finals MVP had nothing to do w/ the Lakers winning. It was all because "Bynum played over his head"

2010 Finals Kobe avg: 40.9min 28.6/8.0/3.9
2009 Finals Kobe avg: 43.5min 32.4/5.6/7.4

2010 Finals Bynum avg: 24.8min 7.4/5.1/0.0
2009 Finals Bynum avg: 18.7min 6.0/4.2/0.6




Wanti, you truly are one of the more ignorant & delusional posters I have ever come across not only on this board but any board.

youre the queen of taking things out of context then cherry picking stats.

Lakers and Kobe dont even make the play offs without both Gasol and Bynum there let alone win the whole thing. You all saw what Kobe could do on his own for a couple years, thats why Lakers got Bynum in the first place. Youre also now seeing what happens when he doesnt have guys around him playing all start caliber ball.

Like I said he will always get points because he will take a hundred shots a game if he has to. But it isnt helping them win.

I predicted it. I said once they start to collapse you'll see Kobe start jacking 40 shots a night, and it has happened, a lot earlier than I thought it would. But thats Kobe he will get his and pad his stats even if the team sucks. he is a quitter, at least in terms of team accomplishments or potential. If they happen to benefit from him doing his own thing sobeit, but he has never once in his whole career done anything unselfish to make a team he was on better.

If he really loved the Lakers he would leave so they would have enough money to build a team that could compete. But (here is another prediction) he will not only not leave he will try and hold them hostage next year for some stupid amount of money for an extension. I suspect he will get a 'retire as a Laker' package that will probably be 3 years with an option and close to 80 million (for 4 year option) because that is how smart the people running the Lakers are right now.

[upscope]

Yea, you're right again, there's no reason to use stats when trying to determine why the Lakers won those two rings. Your hate motivated opinion of Kobe obviously holds more relevance than facts such as stats.

If you want to talk shit because of your hatred for Kobe for whatever reason @ least make sense. You said the Lakers won the two rings because "Bynum played over his head"
Is this what you call "playing over your head"

2010 Finals Bynum avg: 24.8min 7.4/5.1/0.0
2009 Finals Bynum avg: 18.7min 6.0/4.2/0.6

If so, you are a complete fukking moron. If not, you still are a complete fukkin moron. Kobe was the single biggest factor in hanging those banners, the two Finals MVP trophies on his mantle proves that fact. Your obv hate motivated opinion of Kobe doesn't. Sorry pal, that's just the way the world works.

Please tell me in what world this:
2010 Finals Bynum avg: 24.8min 7.4/5.1/0.0
2009 Finals Bynum avg: 18.7min 6.0/4.2/0.6

Holds more meaning for success than this:

2010 Finals Kobe avg: 40.9min 28.6/8.0/3.9
2009 Finals Kobe avg: 43.5min 32.4/5.6/7.4

Stop being so fukkin ignorant all the time w/ your moronic posts. I challenge you to put your hatred for Kobe aside for just one post & post something logical rather that hate filled bullshit that makes you come off as a clueless amateur.....just one!!

[upscope]

Newsflash.....Bulls don't win shitw/o Pippen & Rodman
Newsflash....Spurs don't win shit w/o Parker & Ginobilli
Newsflash....Celtics don't win shit w/o Garnett & Allen
Newsflash....Heat dont win shitw/o Wade & Bosh
Newsflash....No team in the history of the NBA wins shit if you take off their 2nd & 3rd best players. Apparently, Wanti is jealous that the Lakers actually surround their superstar w/ 2 good players. Because they did so this makes Kobe Bryant a fraud & deems his five rings worthless.

what a genius wanti is for recognizing the fact that no team in the history of the NBA that has won a championship would have done so if you take off that teams 2nd & 3rd best player. WELL DONE WANTI, way to recognize buddy~

[zsr]

Kobe is having the most efficient year he's had in his entire career. Obviously they arent losing because of him, maybe his lack of effort on D but thats the entire team.

[The Factor]

Kobe is nuthin but a selfish kuntt

i think he is a little more than that 5 time champ and most popular player in the world

[Popcorn Trick]

Can't wait til Nash comes back and Kobe sits out a game. #PoundCity

[zsr]

"He" didnt get them, "He" got Phil Jackson back and Pau Gasol to come in and save him, Bynum playing over his head didnt hurt either.

Kobe cant do shit without guys around him, he isnt worth anywhere near the money he has been paid.

Sure he can be a highlight reel, but in doing so he totally abandons any sort of team play concept, thats why they have the record they do in the scoring subsets people are citing everywhere. His team mates shut down and basically let him be a one man show.

Kobe Bryant NEVER made anyone better. He has gotten all the credit for what the lakers have done, but IMO they have won in spite of him not because of him. Had you flipped Allan Iverson and Kobe around they would probably have similar career 'accomplishments', just reversed, Kobe is a clear case of right place right time.

Agree with that last part. Kobe gets alot more credit than he should because people see his PPG and his career totals, youngest to 30,000 etc and want to use that to put him top 5 all time while ignoring how horribly inefficient he's been throughout his career. Scoring 30 a game on low 40% shooting and 30% from 3 isnt close to Jordan, Magic and Lebron and Durant.

Laker fans even say he's better than Shaq, Magic and Kareem.

Normally id disagree with kobe bashers but the blind love because of "5 rings broooo!!!" while ignoring the other obvious differences between him and the Greats of the 90s and today is out of control. He's a top 15 player but i dont see how theres any way to suggest he's close to top 5. His clutch numbers are horrid too, not sure how he got that reputation, and they get even worse in the post season.