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[RogueScholar]

I know you must never get this but...you maaaay be over thinking this. The requirement for the editors is that the writers bring something to the table for the reader, be it cutting down on legwork with matchup info or an opinion to that goes against what the reader may have had coming in. We don't care about their record. People write to us all the time that they are a tout and are 30-1 this season and want to post their picks but they don't think they can put enough good content in to fill 1000 words.

Funny for you to do all that typing and not answer the simple question of how you'll be handling the records of your writers. Was I hitting a little too close to home?

You say you want your writers to "bring something to the table" for the reader, but I'm guessing that actually winning seldom gets a seat. Feel free to prove me wrong, I'd actually be happy about that, but bring evidence this time.

(For those of you still on the fence about whether to bother reading the content, I bolded in Bill's quote all that you need to know.)

[zoo youk]

Hey Rogue. I don't mess with your growing business and try to take income away from you. Stop messing with mine and my income.

(not that sbr is my business, I am just a part of it)

[zoo youk]

your still missing the point though. as you and I already slightly shuffled about like I told you. its all about content

[zoo youk]

and i know you say that "content" should be teaching people to how scrape and set up data bases and what not but really you can't write articles every day for every game on that.

[RogueScholar]

and i know you say that "content" should be teaching people to how scrape and set up data bases and what not but really you can't write articles every day for every game on that.

I hear you Zoo, and I'm sorry if you feel my comments are impacting your ability to put food on the table, that was never my intent. I only wanted to get people thinking about how not to get distracted by things that likely won't help them increase their success rate at gambling.

Would you happen to have an independently verified record for the picks that you've given out in all your SBR articles? If you're hitting at better than 52.4% at -110, then really you'll have no need to worry about my impact on your ability to make money, because you'll already be making more money playing those picks yourself than SBR could ever hope to pay you for the articles.

P.S. Did you used to be someone else on SBR? You seem to insinuate that you know more about me than our cursory interactions to date would suggest.

[zoo youk]

I hear you Zoo, and I'm sorry if you feel my comments are impacting your ability to put food on the table, that was never my intent. I only wanted to get people thinking about how not to get distracted by things that likely won't help them increase their success rate at gambling.

Would you happen to have an independently verified record for the picks that you've given out in all your SBR articles? If you're hitting at better than 52.4% at -110, then really you'll have no need to worry about my impact on your ability to make money, because you'll already be making more money playing those picks yourself than SBR could ever hope to pay you for the articles.

P.S. Did you used to be someone else on SBR? You seem to insinuate that you know more about me than our cursory interactions to date would suggest.

was just messing with you about that. for this years MLB season I was 6 games over .500 over 60-70 articles (keep in mind also that i was assigned games, so there for if i didn't like a game, i had to make chicken out of chicken shit as they say). this year NCAAB has been a slow start but still figuring teams out. 9-10-1.

we have talked frequently a long time ago at another forum, under a different handle, yes.

[zoo youk]

i agree with you that users have their own ability to open up google and do research on their own games but we do that for them. take all pieces, all angles, all stats and put it into all one article to make it easier on the user so they do not have to do their own research, ESPN gives out previews to every single game. whats wrong with us doing it? the site is just more user friendly for the common sports bettor

and again I am not speaking for SBR.

[RogueScholar]

was just messing with you about that. for this years MLB season I was 6 games over .500 over 60-70 articles (keep in mind also that i was assigned games, so there for if i didn't like a game, i had to make chicken out of chicken shit as they say). this year NCAAB has been a slow start but still figuring teams out. 9-10-1.

As a country boy, I thought I'd heard all of those classic sayings, but that one's a first for me. Pardon me if I use it myself from now on.

More importantly, thanks for your candor. I think it's great that you've found a way to make money with your ability to breakdown a sports matchup, but the fact that you're assigned games in the first place only reinforces my opinion that the claims of these write-ups being of value to bettors are more than a little spurious. In reality, your write-ups are of value to SBR, and that's why they're paying you for them.

Congrats on finishing over .500 in bases, but in a ML sport it's only significant if you had a positive ROI. I'm not gonna beat you up for more details though, just in case we were friends when you had a different name. Dozer hasn't come back to this thread to argue the point, so I'm gonna call it a victory and move on to beating another dead horse.

Can we agree though that in an endeavour where people are risking real money, the only real value to be found is in something that leads to positive cash flow, and not just anything that's given away for free?

[zoo youk]

i get my own stuff now, as i think that may have just been a "prove you know your stuff" type of deal. also I gave them divisions I was most knowledgeable about and they always kept it in those areas. so i think that kinda moots your point about leading the sheep to the slaughter house.

call me naive but i dont think that is anyones intention here, it is certainly not mine. my believe is it is just all about site growth. why have our users go outside of sbr for their gambling stuff when they can come here and get everything in one click of a mouse?

[RogueScholar]

i get my own stuff now, as i think that may have just been a "prove you know your stuff" type of deal. also I gave them divisions I was most knowledgeable about and they always kept it in those areas. so i think that kinda moots your point about leading the sheep to the slaughter house.

call me naive but i dont think that is anyones intention here, it is certainly not mine. my believe is it is just all about site growth. why have our users go outside of sbr for their gambling stuff when they can come here and get everything in one click of a mouse?

Just level with me, Zoo, you strike me as a fundamentally honest person:

Are you a lifetime winning gambler, excluding bonuses? Could I give you a dime account with a reasonable expectation to have a larger balance after a year's worth of plays that you post on SBR? You don't have to post the answer, just think about this once it's clear in your mind...

If you are a winning gambler, congratulations. You've been to the mountaintop, seen the Promised Land, and now decided to give something back to those coming behind you. However, wouldn't it be more productive to teach people your methodology rather than just give them the picks? You shouldn't need the money at this point, it's about the satisfaction of being a teacher, which is something I not only respect but share with you. Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day, teach him to fish and he'll never be hungry again, right?

If you're not yet a winning gambler, then we run into something of a moral quagmire, because SBR is promoting you as a Featured Handicapper. It's true that the word "winning" doesn't appear in that statement, but I think we can agree that the reasonable man assumes someone getting paid to provide a publicized opinion possesses uncommon skill at rendering it. We also know that the "reasonable man" standard is in fact being quite generous to the average gambler, since surely the average IQ on display at SBR is well below the mean.

Bill himself said above that SBR doesn't care about records, which by extension means they don't care what happens to the people who act upon the information you're giving them. The reason behind this is because SBR's "site growth" only benefits them when more people sign-up with sponsor books and lose money to them. Thus, despite your best intentions (and, perhaps, naïveté) you're being used to lead the sheep to the fleecer. This is not judgment, merely food for thought.

I know there are a million people out there clamoring for a job where results don't matter, only style, and this isn't meant to ruin your enjoyment of having landed it. There's a burden that comes with it though, which is the knowledge that a man struggling to keep a roof over his kids' head might find SBR in the depths of his desperation, think your article is the best on the site that day and gamble away his rent money on a play which you know is likely -EV based on your own gambling history. Maybe you could ask SBR if you could put a disclaimer at the top of each article warning people that you're not a winning gambler, and their response might tell you a lot about the intentions which you think are so innocent.

[konck]

Most of the cappers are losers so use that

[zoo youk]

Just level with me, Zoo, you strike me as a fundamentally honest person:

Are you a lifetime winning gambler, excluding bonuses? Could I give you a dime account with a reasonable expectation to have a larger balance after a year's worth of plays that you post on SBR? You don't have to post the answer, just think about this once it's clear in your mind...

If you are a winning gambler, congratulations. You've been to the mountaintop, seen the Promised Land, and now decided to give something back to those coming behind you. However, wouldn't it be more productive to teach people your methodology rather than just give them the picks? You shouldn't need the money at this point, it's about the satisfaction of being a teacher, which is something I not only respect but share with you. Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day, teach him to fish and he'll never be hungry again, right?

If you're not yet a winning gambler, then we run into something of a moral quagmire, because SBR is promoting you as a Featured Handicapper. It's true that the word "winning" doesn't appear in that statement, but I think we can agree that the reasonable man assumes someone getting paid to provide a publicized opinion possesses uncommon skill at rendering it. We also know that the "reasonable man" standard is in fact being quite generous to the average gambler, since surely the average IQ on display at SBR is well below the mean.

Bill himself said above that SBR doesn't care about records, which by extension means they don't care what happens to the people who act upon the information you're giving them. The reason behind this is because SBR's "site growth" only benefits them when more people sign-up with sponsor books and lose money to them. Thus, despite your best intentions (and, perhaps, naïveté) you're being used to lead the sheep to the fleecer. This is not judgment, merely food for thought.

I know there are a million people out there clamoring for a job where results don't matter, only style, and this isn't meant to ruin your enjoyment of having landed it. There's a burden that comes with it though, which is the knowledge that a man struggling to keep a roof over his kids' head might find SBR in the depths of his desperation, think your article is the best on the site that day and gamble away his rent money on a play which you know is likely -EV based on your own gambling history. Maybe you could ask SBR if you could put a disclaimer at the top of each article warning people that you're not a winning gambler, and their response might tell you a lot about the intentions which you think are so innocent.

Actually in that case the disclaimer should be: Gamble only what you can afford. Do not put your familys well being at risk because of your gambling.

Don't you think?

I have produced many articles on how I approach my capping and how i come to the conclusion of the result in what the pick may be for NCAAB and MLB to teach those how to improve how they go about their capping.

now I know you come from the camp that "picking winners" is laughable and is not +EV and in order to be a long time winner you can't just "pick winners" and that you must use math modules, scrape, use databases all that stuff. so this is no win situation about this conversation for me anyway right from the start.

[zoo youk]

btw. if you would like to take the time to teach me how to scrape, use databases and all that good stuff. I would gladly listen and try that approach along with the approach I use now.

than I could be a double headed monster