Is Notre Dame Really The Best Team In The Country?

doublej95 · 11-22-12, 09:26 AM

great defense, sorry offense and lucky to get by a few crappy teams.

PhillyFlyers · 11-22-12, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by doublej95

great defense, sorry offense and lucky to get by a few crappy teams.

They should have lost that Pitt game.

doublej95 · 11-22-12, 09:42 AM

ND could easily be 7-4, luck of the Irish.

opie1988 · 11-22-12, 10:01 AM

Yes. Football is a zero sum game. Somebody wins, somebody loses.

They are undefeated at 11-0. 4-0 against ranked teams. You are what you are.

And the Irish are #1 in the country.

InTheDrink · 11-22-12, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by opie1988

Yes. Football is a zero sum game. Somebody wins, somebody loses.

They are undefeated at 11-0. 4-0 against ranked teams. You are what you are.

And the Irish are #1 in the country.

opie i rarely disagree with you....hold you in the highest regard....but you're wrong about the zero sum game....it only would be if they all played each other...that said they do DESERVE to be #1 but they aren't the best team in the country...and thats my opinion but we wont really know til the bcs cg

SamDiamond · 11-22-12, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by opie1988

Yes. Football is a zero sum game. Somebody wins, somebody loses.

They are undefeated at 11-0. 4-0 against ranked teams. You are what you are.

And the Irish are #1 in the country.

Opie, that's why your top shelf.

You get it.

A reporter asked Herb Brooks if the first game 2-2 tie with Sweden during the 1980 Olympic Hockey Run tainted the US gold medal at all, and Brooks' deadpanned, "We are what we are, Olympic Champions".

Same here. No one remembers margin of victory.

Anyone recall the closest game Ohio State played in 2002 during their championship run? Or how 'bout Florida losing to Ole Miss during Tebow's run? It is impossibly difficult to run the table in college football, and ND, UP UNTIL THIS POINT, has done it, and they deserve to be #1.

As for the OP. If Stanford's front seven stopped Oregon, what makes you think ND's can't?

mintpicks79 · 11-22-12, 10:13 AM

Alabama will or would beat them by at least 3 tds

SamDiamond · 11-22-12, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by mintpicks79

Alabama will or would beat them by at least 3 tds

I''ll make a deal with you.

If ND and Alabama are in the title game, come back to this thread and offer me ND +21 for everything you own.

I'm in.

InTheDrink · 11-22-12, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by SamDiamond

I''ll make a deal with you.

If ND and Alabama are in the title game, come back to this thread and offer me ND +21 for everything you own.

I'm in.

just curious...how strongly do you feel about nd +9.5?

Wilfred · 11-22-12, 10:23 AM

Remember they didnt control their own destiny. Pitts Kicker choked luckily.

SamDiamond · 11-22-12, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

just curious...how strongly do you feel about nd +9.5?

'bout the same I do as ND +21.

But it doesn't matter. Because Georgia will beat Alabama next weekend, and you can bury me if I'm wrong 'bout that one.

Anyone who watched Alabama play LSU and Texas A&M and still thinks Alabama is 21 points better than ND needs serious help.

InTheDrink · 11-22-12, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by SamDiamond

'bout the same I do as ND +21.

But it doesn't matter. Because Georgia will beat Alabama next weekend, and you can bury me if I'm wrong 'bout that one.

Anyone who watched Alabama play LSU and Texas A&M and still thinks Alabama is 21 points better than ND needs serious help.

zero chance georgia beats bammer

georgia played one physical team all year and got crushed

bammer is more physical than usce

wtt0315 · 11-22-12, 10:48 AM

Georgia is more physical then you think.. Crushed will not happen. It will be a close low scoring game

Originally posted by InTheDrink

zero chance georgia beats bammer

georgia played one physical team all year and got crushed

bammer is more physical than usce

wtt0315 · 11-22-12, 10:50 AM

my top 5

1.Alabama
2.Georgia
3.Oregon
4.Florida State
5.Notre dame

SamDiamond · 11-22-12, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

zero chance georgia beats bammer

georgia played one physical team all year and got crushed

bammer is more physical than usce

Florida's soft?

Seriously?

convick · 11-22-12, 10:58 AM

Notre Dame deserves to be ranked 1st but that doesnt mean they are the best team. They have to beat USC and Bama/Georgia to earn that distinction.

Diamond points out Bamas "close" games but forgets how average ND looked against BYU, Pitt and Stanford.

doublej95 · 11-22-12, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by convick

Notre Dame deserves to be ranked 1st but that doesnt mean they are the best team. They have to beat USC and Bama/Georgia to earn that distinction.

Diamond points out Bamas "close" games but forgets how average ND looked against BYU, Pitt and Stanford.

add average against Purdue and a average 21-6 win against 2-9 Boston College.

William Walters · 11-22-12, 11:04 AM

Boys.........none of this is going to matter after the Men of Troy beat irish in a couple of days

SamDiamond · 11-22-12, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by convick

Notre Dame deserves to be ranked 1st but that doesnt mean they are the best team. They have to beat USC and Bama/Georgia to earn that distinction.

Diamond points out Bamas "close" games but forgets how average ND looked against BYU, Pitt and Stanford.

Quite the contrary. ND has made a deal with the devil with all the luck they've had.

But, I think "luck" plays a role in every championship/almost championship season.

ND has an incredibly tough game Saturday night, and it is far from certain that they will win it.

I mean, as lucky as ND was to win that Pitt game---- Alabama required Oregon's FG kicker missing to give them another shot. All this "luck" discussion though seems to focus on ND.

rkellyatrecess · 11-22-12, 01:34 PM

Why do you think Oregon would "smoke that ass?" Oregon lost at home to Stanford, who Notre Dame beat. Oregon may or may not beat Notre Dame, but it seems presumptive to say they would "smoke" them.

PhillyFlyers · 11-22-12, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by rkellyatrecess

Why do you think Oregon would "smoke that ass?" Oregon lost at home to Stanford, who Notre Dame beat. Oregon may or may not beat Notre Dame, but it seems presumptive to say they would "smoke" them.

Because the Stanford game was a trap game for Oregon and a lot of people knew it.

Take a poll of how many people on this board bet Stanford, I would think it would be 50% or more.

ND doesn't have the offense to keep up with Oregon. Oregon's offense would create mismatches all over the field vs. the ND defense.

InTheDrink · 11-22-12, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by SamDiamond

Florida's soft?

Seriously?

Compared to Bammer and usce defenses yes

Vegas39 · 11-22-12, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

Compared to Bammer and usce defenses yes

Usce

InTheDrink · 11-22-12, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Vegas39

Usce

USC east

I'm a gamecock fan and take enough shit calling them USC as they're known around here

GOIRISH · 11-22-12, 02:18 PM

this thread again?

oregon stanford wasnt a trap game, stanford is a ranked opponent and the hardest defense oregon had faced. Calling it a trap game is a joke.

PhillyFlyers · 11-22-12, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by GOIRISH

this thread again?

oregon stanford wasnt a trap game, stanford is a ranked opponent and the hardest defense oregon had faced. Calling it a trap game is a joke.

It was a trap game.

The #1 ranked team in the AP going against the then ranked #14 team with two losses playing at home.

Trap written all over it.

Vegas39 · 11-22-12, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by GOIRISH

this thread again?

oregon stanford wasnt a trap game, stanford is a ranked opponent and the hardest defense oregon had faced. Calling it a trap game is a joke.

Couldnt agree more. Oregon was flat exposed yet gain

itchypickle · 11-22-12, 02:37 PM

Do they deserve the current record? Absolutely, they have won their games although ugly, a win is a win.

Are they 'the best' team? NO. I would put Bama, Texas A&M, Oregon and LSU as the best ahead of them.

Bausch85 · 11-22-12, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by doublej95

great defense, sorry offense and lucky to get by a few crappy teams.

Yea I agree but I still think Alabama is a decent team! Lol

GOIRISH · 11-22-12, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by PhillyFlyers

It was a trap game.

The #1 ranked team in the AP going against the then ranked #14 team with two losses playing at home.

Trap written all over it.

who honestly goes by ap polls when bcs is out, they were the #2 team playing the #13 team in the country. Not to mention the last 2 games of their schedule are the toughest they play all year. You think on the way to a national title they overlooked the hardest scheduled games at the end of the season?

PhillyFlyers · 11-22-12, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by GOIRISH

who honestly goes by ap polls when bcs is out, they were the #2 team playing the #13 team in the country. Not to mention the last 2 games of their schedule are the toughest they play all year. You think on the way to a national title they overlooked the hardest scheduled games at the end of the season?

Going by AP or not doesn't change the fact it was a trap game.

Titanup28 · 11-22-12, 03:32 PM

Hell no roll tide

Vegas39 · 11-22-12, 03:44 PM

Trap game when win out In title game

this Philly kid

SamDiamond · 11-22-12, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by PhillyFlyers

It was a trap game.

The #1 ranked team in the AP going against the then ranked #14 team with two losses playing at home.

Trap written all over it.

How the hell was it a trap game?

Oregon is playing for the national title. They are 3 games away from playing for it all, AGAINST A RANKED TEAM, and they come out flat?

If that's true, Chip Kelly should be fired. If he can't get his team ready to play in that spot, he doesn't deserve to be a head coach.

The truth is/was--- Stanford had the number 1 rush defense coming into the Oregon game, they also led the nation in TFL, and had a front 7 with 3 future NFL players on it.