Do You Believe Gambling Is A Science Or All About Luck??

[donjuan]

Cloak,

Do you use a local to bet on sports?

[Cloak & Dagger]

Cloak,

Do you use a local to bet on sports?

well since you said I should have my diploma revoked for asking these questions I use BETUS and sportsbook.com

[Cloak & Dagger]

WSOP? No. It's a Caesars Megastack. There are breaks in the tournament. I really don't know why you find that humorous though.

did you vote on this poll 2 times?

[MonkeyF0cker]

I didn't even vote. Pretty silly thread if you ask me.

[Cloak & Dagger]

I didn't even vote. Pretty silly thread if you ask me.

well to date

you are the only person in the world to claim you're a lifetime winner in gambling without being lucky

is that silly?

[durito]

well to date

you are the only person in the world to claim you're a lifetime winner in gambling without being lucky

is that silly?

add me to the list

[donjuan]

you are the only person in the world to claim you're a lifetime winner in gambling without being lucky

He certainly isn't the only one. When you are up a significant amount using math having placed thousands upon thousands of bets or played 100s of thousands of hands in poker, it is extremely highly unlikely that it is due to luck.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I personally know more than 500 people in Vegas alone who would make that claim as well, both poker players and handicappers.

[Cloak & Dagger]

He certainly isn't the only one. When you are up a significant amount using math having placed thousands upon thousands of bets or played 100s of thousands of hands in poker, it is extremely highly unlikely that it is due to luck.

WOW

I guess with this gem of wisdom you grace SBR with...

everyone should just quit their jobs cause according to you

gambling can be beat with science

GOOD JOB!


p.s. with the millions of dollars that you have raked in using this fool proof method...my only wonder is why guys like you and monkeyscientist find time to post on SBR??...shouldnt you guys be at club pure right now spending all your winnings?

I mean hey...you can just go back...crunch some more numbers...and make more money right??

I MEAN>>>YOU CANT LOSE RIGHT??

[Cloak & Dagger]

I personally know more than 500 people in Vegas alone who would make that claim as well, both poker players and handicappers.

ok

they dont post on SBR I assume??

but you find time to...I mean you are a millionaire...with all your fortune coming from gambling

you cant lose...you stated this...over time you cant lose...cause you beat gambling with science

so why arent you at the club having a fivesome with hookers?

or is that later??

[durito]

Do you think everyone that makes decent money (in any industry) spends every evening with 5 hookers?

[betplom]

Do you think everyone that makes decent money (in any industry) spends every evening with 5 hookers?

Durito, I had no idea you were such a marathoner, I always considered you a sprinter.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Do you think everyone that makes decent money (in any industry) spends every evening with 5 hookers?

I never knew I was surrounded by millionaires here at SBR who can NEVER lose at gambling because of math and science

thx for putting me up on that

so who you like tonight??

I mean...what do the numbers say for the...umm

BULLS/LAKERS game...LAL -13 OVER/UNDER 202

give me what the numbers say...ITS A SURE WINNER!!

[MonkeyF0cker]

I went to Privé and Seemless last night for a couple hours. I don't make it a habit though. Like I've told you multiple times, I put in approximately 80 hours a week. You can try to simplify it all you want, but the more you do, the less you show any comprehension. And Pure doesn't open until 11.

[donjuan]

everyone should just quit their jobs cause according to you

gambling can be beat with science

LOL. Gambling puts me through school. Obviously not all forms of gambling are beatable and thus I only bet in spots where I have an edge.

I MEAN>>>YOU CANT LOSE RIGHT??

You clearly don't get the concept of an edge and of probabilities. Not that you'll understand this but edges in sports betting generally aren't huge and the ones that are huge generally have low limits.

[reno cool]

Many gamblers underestimate the effect of luck on their results. This is even true of professionals. One can be a lifetime winner simply due to luck.(lottery is an easy example)

However the very best gamblers I believe are both scientific and artistic. Furthermore, an edge can be derived in many games commonly considered unbeatable. So to answer your question the vast world of gambling involves all the factors you mention and more.

[Outlawdino]

It's a lucky science

[pavyracer]

Gambling is an art. Unless you know how much to bet on which bets you will be as successful as Van Gong was while alive.

[FreeFall]

if it was luck why would there be an entire city profiting off of it? That alone simply says there is a science behind it.

[TLD]

Define “luck.”

[slacker00]

Some gambling can be scientific, but by definition all gambling involves a degree of luck.

Being specific to sports betting, I think there can be a degree of science involved in the same way that blackjack can be beaten by counting cards. Unfortunately, it involves a lot of learning, math, work, etc to actually turn a profit in the long run doing either of these activities. The large majority of gamblers are not scientific. Even if some gamblers think that they are long term winners, most are not.

[mathdotcom]

Gambling definitely isn't about science. If you knew anything about science, you wouldn't be gambling.

[Chi_archie]

blinded me with science

[Grandmaster B]

[Grandmaster B]

Some gambling can be scientific, but by definition all gambling involves a degree of luck.

Being specific to sports betting, I think there can be a degree of science involved in the same way that blackjack can be beaten by counting cards. Unfortunately, it involves a lot of learning, math, work, etc to actually turn a profit in the long run doing either of these activities. The large majority of gamblers are not scientific. Even if some gamblers think that they are long term winners, most are not.

[jjgold]

Its all luck

Any forum of gambling has very very very little skill\\When you think there is skill involved it is time to stop betting

[Grandmaster B]

Its all luck

Any forum of gambling has very very very little skill\\When you think there is skill involved it is time to stop betting

spoken by the coach himself

and dont say he dosent know what he's talking about either...coach has unlimited backing and has cashed and placed more bets than 90% of everyone on this forum and any other offshore forum

these so called math guys who claim to win long term wish they could afford a ticker in their bedroom like the man known as jjgold

instead they're in the casino at 3 in the morning betting dont pass because the probability of a seven hitting is > than any other number on the dice..with hopes to get that compd $1.50 ham and eggs...mmmm

Ive seen people with my own eyes lose a house and go through almost a million dollars trying to beat gambling with math....long term...they went busted

[Nicky Santoro]

luck has NOTHING to do with gambling.. i have these buddies of mine who love to bet only favs laying any price and never shopping around, and when they go broke each month and then go pay their bookies, they keep telling me how unlucky a gambler they all are..

boys, luck does NOT exist in gambling.. no such thing as bad luck or good luck.. jinxes don't exist.. it's all bullshit.. if you are going to always bet games you like at any price, you will lose... and it's not on acct of bad luck that you will lose..

if you are going to play 1 million games in your lifetime and you will always end up with the best #, you will win whether you are a lucky or unlucky gambler.. it's called mathematics..

[Bill Dozer]

Gambling by definition is luck right? Investing is taking on risk with an expected return. You see guys tossing around +ev here. Technically books are betting too but they are getting +110. If you are getting anything +101 and have a true market to use, it's investing.

The more you handicap or use a live lines screen the more you are investing. That doesn't mean there are bad investors who lose money but it's not like going to the casino where you put enough aside for buffet and the cab home.

[pavyracer]

Gambling is an art. Not science. Not luck. You either have the talent to gamble or not.

[ejfel01]

If something is determined by luck on the short term, why would it be controlled by anything else on the long term...?
You can have bad luck over the long haul also.

[Nicky Santoro]

luck only exists when you base it on a very small sample size.. for example.

if you bet only 2 games a week for 2k a game, with great luck, you can win 75% of those 100 games/yr and win 100,000/yr over only those 100 games.. anything can happen over 100 games, with great luck

with horrible luck, you can win 25% of the 100 games and lose 110,000$.. every HR, every fumble can go your way, or against you for 100 games...you can be very lucky OR very unlucky..

but with a very very large sample size, like betting 1 million games a lifetime, then luck will NOT play any role... if you bet just games you like at any price, you will lose no matter how lucky a person you are.

if you bet only edges for 1 million games, and you have a decent sized bankroll, then no matter how unlucky you are, you will clean up. mathematics will always even everything out..

[jjgold]

It's luck because if not there would be a lot more winners.

[bigbank]

Gambling by definition is luck right? Investing is taking on risk with an expected return. You see guys tossing around +ev here. Technically books are betting too but they are getting +110. If you are getting anything +101 and have a true market to use, it's investing.

The more you handicap or use a live lines screen the more you are investing. That doesn't mean there are bad investors who lose money but it's not like going to the casino where you put enough aside for buffet and the cab home.

[urge2kill]

Luck is just something to describe being on the good side of variance. You can't use it to predict outcomes like you can with math.