apparently this Hanner is supposed to be all the new rave. hard to compete with Pomeroy though.
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this is awful. Missouri and Tenny are fringe top 25 teams at best. Kentucky is way overrated. Miami is WAY too low, as well as Michigan. VCU is way too low.Comment -
Kenpom says that the teams don't very much year to year.
The logic goes like this: If you could have one thing to predict a team’s offense, what would it be? It turns out last season’s offensive efficiency would be that thing. It does a good job of predicting offense the following season. After that, the previous season’s offensive efficiency is the next best predictor, and after that, last season’s defensive efficiency helps a bit. (Flip the script for the defensive predictors.) Those three things are the foundation of the system.
I'm just not a big believer in these model guys. Kenpom data alone does not win against the Vegas lines and neither will the Hanner data. No doubt for the handicapper that the numbers are a helpful handicapping tool but on their own they do not win.
Honestly I don't see much difference in the two. Looks like the same offense efficiency, defense efficiency type dat that you get with kenpom.Comment -
It just all depends what people think. I think even though Missouri lost four starters the people they have coming in with the addition of Bowers this year who sat out last year put them well in the top 20.
That's part of the problem with these early season numbers. No one really knows and we all are just guessing.Comment -
Stanford above Cal is awful. South Florida is drastically underrated, as well as St Johns.Comment -
They add the best player from Pepperdine Keion Bell
They add Alex Oriakhi from UConn
and they get Laurence Bowers after sitting out last year
They lost some good offensive players Marcus Denmon and Kim English, but they added three players two of which are outstanding players on defense. I don't see how anyone can think this team will not be very good.Comment -
did you watch Oriakhi play? The guy isn't the same player from 2 years ago. They also lost Ratcliffe and the other Pressley kid. They return TWO guys that played last year... get 1 guy back from injury, add a couple good transfers and people think they'll be as good as they were last year?Comment -
Extraordinarily useful.
To get multiple takes on the same thing is essential.
Hanner seems to know what he is doing. I think Ken Pom is still and will remain the authority on NCAA basketball, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement or at the very least differing opinions.Comment -
Stanford has a stud in Randle and return a couple more key guys, but a freshman that averaged 14 points a game should be expected to go nuts. They also have a couple freshman who could make the team pretty good, but I'd rather take my chances with a well coached team with a lot of talent coming backComment -
the ncaa denied the kid wells from xavier to play this year, has to sit. thats huge asarizona would have got aroumd 15 ppg from himComment -
Cal and Stanford are going to have trouble finishing ahead of Colorado - who is the only other team even in the possible discussion.
UCLA has their best player having extreme issues getting cleared to play. On top of that, who I think to be their best player, their 6'8" "Point Guard" is also not cleared.
Arizona has the biggest front court in the conference. (assuming height - Josh Smith of UCLA is obviously the fattest). All of them are top 10 recruits, and the sophomore is a top 50 recruit that has the California records for career/game blocks and something else - he's most likely coming off the bench. That doesn't even touch on Arizona's best players in Seniors Solomon Hill and Kevin Parrom.
If UCLA doesn't get their guys cleared, especially Shabazz - they're gonna be lucky to get a decent seed in the NIT.Comment -
obviously I'm including UCLA with everybody healthy and eligible. As far as Arizona, I'm not betting on a bunch of freshman (none in the top 10 in their class) beating a well coached veteran team. The Parrom kid isn't a star player by any stretch. Arizona has Hill and the Johnson kid that are very good players and the transfer in Lyons but who knows what the young bigs are going to do and 2 of the 3 are going to have to start. With Colorado, I don't see what you see. They only return 2 starters and 1 more key reserve from a team that overachieved last yearComment -
How are you guys not talking about Colorado in any of this I barely read this thread I just see PAC12 being talked about, but Colorado should be in this discussionComment -
PAC12
#1 Arizona
#2 UCLA
#3 Standford
#4 Colorado
#5 USC
#6 California
#7 Oregon
#8 UTAH
#9 Washington
#10 Washington St
#11Oregon St
#12 Arizona St
those are really sketchy on my part thoughComment -
ok now im interested because this guys rankings are off the wall. This im gonna actually have to sit down and organize his numbers because I cant believe im saying this but Louisville is not the #10 team lmao. I dont even like VILLE and I can tell this is already skewed as fuk. Ville is top 4 no matter what.
Eh I can respect Kansas at #4 I suppose if you pushed around a lot of numbers I can see that happening
Im a Duke fan but nope not #7
Tennesee and Pittsburgh are ranked
Minnesota? I mean I guess if you tried really really hard to rank them they could get in thereComment -
I see they have a couple top 100 prospects which I somehow missed but they lost their starting PG from last year and the kid replacing him this year is only a sophomore which i don't like. I'm gonna say marginally better than last year at best but more than likely slightly worseComment -
ok now im interested because this guys rankings are off the wall. This im gonna actually have to sit down and organize his numbers because I cant believe im saying this but Louisville is not the #10 team lmao. I dont even like VILLE and I can tell this is already skewed as fuk. Ville is top 4 no matter what.
Eh I can respect Kansas at #4 I suppose if you pushed around a lot of numbers I can see that happening
Im a Duke fan but nope not #7
Tennesee and Pittsburgh are ranked
Minnesota? I mean I guess if you tried really really hard to rank them they could get in there
Minnesota is going to be solid with Mbakwe back. He is a potential first team All American IMO. I have them around a point better than Pitt and a couple better than TennyComment -
our big differences seem to be USC and Oregon State. I think USC will be dramatically better than last year obviously, but I can't quantify that in my power ratings. They have the biggest upgrade from last year than any team I've done and maybe I've sold them short but hard to upgrade a team 10+ points. Oregon State should be better this year, as they return everybody except Robinson, their star last year. Robinson has been a good coach as wellComment -
My earlier post stated I felt CU is the only other team in the discussion, alongside UCLA and 'Zona.
Cal and Stanford I feel, at this point, are not better than Colorado going forward.
UCLA
ZONA
CU
In any order... if only you could put that in a trifecta box.
USC will be much improved this year. Assuming Kevin O'Neil doesn't kill his players (literally) prior to conference play. I agree with that 100%. USC much improved is still middle of the Road in the PAC.
if I were to guess right now.
1/2 Arizona/UCLA
3 Colorado
4/5. Stanford/Cal
6. USC
7. Oregon
8. Washington
9. Oregon St.
10. Washington St.
11/12. Utah/ASUComment
