you guys rember Phillip Rivers fumbling the snap in the victory formation?

Justin3587 · 10-19-12, 01:14 PM

Grasping for straws dude.

k13 · 10-19-12, 01:14 PM

Rivers would find a way to lose up 9 with one second left.

mynameismud · 10-19-12, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by k13

Rivers would find a way to lose up 9 with one second left.

so true

boeing power · 10-19-12, 01:18 PM

Op is not so sharp IMO.

MoneyLineDawg · 10-19-12, 01:20 PM

Get the fukk over it already

milwaukee mike · 10-19-12, 01:24 PM

THAT IS NOT A VICTORY FORMATION

that was an i-formation and he backed away from center to hand the ball off after the snap

if you can't tell the difference between a kneel down and an i-formation with a receiver then you're helpless

notsosharp · 10-19-12, 01:27 PM

Dude I remember the game well. I had san diego -3. They lost in ot. They were milking the clock to kick the game winning fg.

coop · 10-19-12, 01:31 PM

yeah because that play and an uncontested, game over kneel down are remotely similar......

mynameismud · 10-19-12, 01:33 PM

if i remember correctly, he was taking the snap to put the ball at the hash mark the kicker wanted.

rm18 · 10-19-12, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

THAT IS NOT A VICTORY FORMATION

that was an i-formation and he backed away from center to hand the ball off after the snap

if you can't tell the difference between a kneel down and an i-formation with a receiver then you're helpless

wrong the play called a was a kneel down just to milk the clock to kick the ball on the last play of regulation. Well I guess he was maybe going ot run sideway to get it in the middle but he was not handing it off

hels · 10-19-12, 01:49 PM

There are 2 scenarios by which the Seahawks could win/tie.

1) V formation fumble recovered by Seattle and they score a TD to tie within 43 seconds (subtract the time recovering the fumble)

2) Seattle kicks off from own 20. Onside kick recovery. Drive 70 yards and score touchdown. Seattle kicks from own 35. Onside kick recovery. Drive 15/20 yards. Kick field goal and win. All this completed in 43 seconds with no timeouts.

If I was a betting man (and I am) I would think option 1 is MORE likely to happen given 100,000 scenarios of each.

2daBank · 10-19-12, 02:03 PM

rivers could fukk up a wet dream, he wouldnt be on the field if he played for harbaugh...

LeagueCapper · 10-19-12, 02:05 PM

"you guys rember Phillip Rivers fumbling the snap in the victory formation?"

you call running a play to center the ball victory formation?

milwaukee mike · 10-19-12, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by hels

There are 2 scenarios by which the Seahawks could win/tie.

1) V formation fumble recovered by Seattle and they score a TD to tie within 43 seconds (subtract the time recovering the fumble)

2) Seattle kicks off from own 20. Onside kick recovery. Drive 70 yards and score touchdown. Seattle kicks from own 35. Onside kick recovery. Drive 15/20 yards. Kick field goal and win. All this completed in 43 seconds with no timeouts.

If I was a betting man (and I am) I would think option 1 is MORE likely to happen given 100,000 scenarios of each.

that's where we disagree

everyone listen closely here

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTORY FORMATION TURNOVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL

there have been plenty of times where a team recovered 2 onside kicks and scored quickly twice

CDMKMP · 10-19-12, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

that's where we disagree

everyone listen closely here

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTORY FORMATION TURNOVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL

there have been plenty of times where a team recovered 2 onside kicks and scored quickly twice

Plus he's completely overlooking the fact that with option 2 you have to put your players back out there for what could be a whole series of plays, even if Seattle doesn't even come close to the 2nd onside kick. If they recover the first one now your D has multiple chances to get injured for a game that could already be over.

And the chance to recover an onside kick in the NFL when the opposing team knows it's coming is roughly 20%. No idea what the odds are on a free kick onside kick though. Either way the decision is less about "chance of fumbling in victory formation vs. scoring off two onside kicks" and more about "why put my players back out there if I don't need to. Either option is pretty damn unlikely so go with player safety.

The Giant · 10-19-12, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by hels

There are 2 scenarios by which the Seahawks could win/tie.

1) V formation fumble recovered by Seattle and they score a TD to tie within 43 seconds (subtract the time recovering the fumble)

2) Seattle kicks off from own 20. Onside kick recovery. Drive 70 yards and score touchdown. Seattle kicks from own 35. Onside kick recovery. Drive 15/20 yards. Kick field goal and win. All this completed in 43 seconds with no timeouts.

If I was a betting man (and I am) I would think option 1 is MORE likely to happen given 100,000 scenarios of each.

Which of those two scenarios are most likely to have a player injured?

rm18 · 10-19-12, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

Which of those two scenarios are most likely to have a player injured?

well closer than you think because actually victory formation plays are fairly dangerous because the defense often takes wild cheap shots to try to break up the play+ frustration.

SO if you recover and onside kick you only have to take one knee where you had to take 2 knees as it was.

The Giant · 10-19-12, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by rm18

well closer than you think because actually victory formation plays are fairly dangerous because the defense often takes wild cheap shots to try to break up the play+ frustration.

SO if you recover and onside kick you only have to take one knee where you had to take 2 knees as it was.

It's not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers flying across the line of scrimmage during the victory formation.

And did you take into the account the onside kick being recovered by Seattle?

Chi_archie · 10-19-12, 07:08 PM

my fav come from behind with little time left vids of all time.

big time Texas Football team down 41-17 with 3 mins left

tto827 · 10-19-12, 09:14 PM

[QUOTE=Chi_archie;16446172]my fav come from behind with little time left vids of all time.

big time Texas Football team down 41-17 with 3 mins left

OH MY GOD. OH MY GOD. That is absolutely insane, no words to describe the heartbreak for those kids

hels · 10-19-12, 09:22 PM

There are very few victory formation snaps where the defense attempts to 100% penetrate. Maybe 5 a year.

If others can provide 1 example of a team recovering 2 onside kicks and scoring on both possessions within 43 seconds I would love to hear it.

d2bets · 10-19-12, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

THAT IS NOT A VICTORY FORMATION

that was an i-formation and he backed away from center to hand the ball off after the snap

if you can't tell the difference between a kneel down and an i-formation with a receiver then you're helpless

This.

AribaAriba · 10-19-12, 09:42 PM

hey u lost ur bet get over with it, this is why its called gambling take it like a man and stop whining.

ThaWoj · 10-19-12, 09:53 PM

That video was insane!!!

Duff85 · 10-20-12, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

my fav come from behind with little time left vids of all time.

big time Texas Football team down 41-17 with 3 mins left

That video was in my head when I was reading chump OPs whining post. Chumpy you need to move on bro you lost.

davidx191 · 10-20-12, 07:14 AM

victory formation has two guys standing next to the QB to recover fumbled snap

milwaukee mike · 10-20-12, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by hels

There are very few victory formation snaps where the defense attempts to 100% penetrate. Maybe 5 a year.

If others can provide 1 example of a team recovering 2 onside kicks and scoring on both possessions within 43 seconds I would love to hear it.

we're beating a dead horse here, but let's say the recovery rate of the onside kick was 20% each time, and let's also say the chances of getting a long pass interference call or hail mary to score each time are 1/50 (i'm being conservative).

that makes the odds of winning after the safety something like (1/5 x 1/50 x 1/5 x 1/50) or 1 in 62,500 chance.

the odds of recovering a victory formation fumble and then still going 60 yds to score a td are far less than that. and as many pointed out you take injury out of the equation.

they call it the victory formation for a reason, it comes as close as you can get to guaranteeing victory

Dabeergod · 10-20-12, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

my fav come from behind with little time left vids of all time.

big time Texas Football team down 41-17 with 3 mins left

wow...didn't expect that ending lol. Awesome

Chi_archie · 10-20-12, 10:02 AM

yeah the surprise ending is good

the play by play announcers didn't even describe that last play. just kept saying "oh no! no! no!. I'm gonna throw up" ect.

people back in plano must have been going crazy not hearing the call

Mr. Teaser · 10-20-12, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

that's where we disagree

everyone listen closely here

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A VICTORY FORMATION TURNOVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL

there have been plenty of times where a team recovered 2 onside kicks and scored quickly twice

This. People are just stupid arguing anything else.

Double Bogey · 10-20-12, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

my fav come from behind with little time left vids of all time.

big time Texas Football team down 41-17 with 3 mins left

"I wet my britches"

Chi_archie · 10-20-12, 02:48 PM

I wonder what that amazing pass catching and on-side kicking #88 player is doing today!