Girardi must go

[lakerboy]

Girardi nevr had George lurking in the background.

[No coincidences]

Bottom line: Yankees' star bats aren't hitting (Cano, Grandy, Teix). That's not Girardi's fault. These cats are paid to win games by the long ball. Temps have dropped and pitching is superior, which neutralizes their lone advantage. Yanks are already hamstrung by Rivera's injury, but they've fought their way to this point which is commendable. They're just up against a better team much closer to its "prime" age with the best hitter and best pitcher -- hands down -- in the game.

The A-Rod argument is a red herring. He is irrelevant.

[Br0nxer]

Lou its fukkin 2012

2003 ARoid isnt walking out of that dugout

The 57 hr 152 rbi guy is long gone

[Ghenghis Kahn]

And people said Peyton Manning would never win a Super Bowl. You get where I'm going with this. A-Rod will turn it around in the postseason but not riding the bench.

your example sucks pal.

[No coincidences]

Lou its fukkin 2012

2003 ARoid isnt walking out of that dugout

The 57 hr 152 rbi guy is long gone

Yanks made the same mistakes most franchises make. They make huge investments in "big name" sluggers. Trust me: we'll be laughing at Pujols and the Angels soon enough, too, if they even get this far.

Tigers did the same thing with Prince (too much money, too long of a contract). However, Prince is at least in his prime age wise and he plays his guts out (never sits). Still, too much of an investment.

Baseball is won with superior arms -- either starters or relievers -- and young, hungry kids who are out there to prove themselves. Scouting and farm system development is so important. Without the juice, you can't just turn to a bunch of guys 5 years past the prime age of 27 anymore to carry you by hitting home runs in 45 degree October weather.

Dombrowski didn't build a good bullpen or a good defense, but he went out and simply stole two arms in their prime (Fister and Anibal) to complement Verlander and Scherzer. That's why the Tigers are beating the Yankees. They have two sluggers in their prime and the pitching does the rest.

[CanuckG]

Lou stick to watching debates pal jaysus

[Br0nxer]

Yanks made the same mistakes most franchises make. They make huge investments in "big name" sluggers. Trust me: we'll be laughing at Pujols and the Angels soon enough, too, if they even get this far.

Tigers did the same thing with Prince (too much money, too long of a contract). However, Prince is at least in his prime age wise and he plays his guts out (never sits). Still, too much of an investment.

Baseball is won with superior arms -- either starters or relievers -- and young, hungry kids who are out there to prove themselves. Scouting and farm system development is so important. Without the juice, you can't just turn to a bunch of guys 5 years past the prime age of 27 anymore to carry you by hitting home runs in 45 degree October weather. That's where Dombrowski deserves credit -- he didn't build a good bullpen or a good defense, but he went out and simply stole two arms in their prime (Fister and Anibal) to complement Verlander and Scherzer. That's why the Tigers are beating the Yankees.

The Yankees didnt make a mistake

Hank Steinbrenner made the mistake of giving ARoid the current contract

Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner were totally against it

Both wanted to let him walk

But at the time the top of the food chain was a fluid situation with George being sick and Hank was calling all the shots for that short period of time

Funny how since that massive fukk up the guy has totally disappeared

It is not a coincidence

I will say this though

Without ARoid there is no 2009 World Series ring

If you got ownership in a room and hooked them up to lie detectors they would all say the 275 million was worth it for the 2009 WS Championship

The Yankees print fukkin money

[agharah1]

The Yankees just aren't a team. Jeter made them a team, and without him they aren't one. Heck, they didn't even take the time to go to Girardi's father's funeral. A-Rod is just done, too much of a screw up and goof off. That being said, he's 4-6 with 2 HRs vs. Verlander this year, how do you bench him?

[A4K]

Benching A-Rod and Swisher reeks of desperation. He's trying so hard to make someone else the scapegoat. Fact is none of the bats, except for maybe Raul Ibanez', have done anything important this postseason.

Yeah, fire the guy that led your team to a ring 3 years ago. I don't know how you blame Girardi for the Yankees shitting the bed and A-Rod trying to get girls into bed.

[lakerboy]

Girardi has done a good job. He isn't going anywhere. This isn't a good team but he brought them far with washed up players.

[TheMoneyShot]

You don't bench your best player with Jeter injured.

I agree with that statement Lou. There's something going on behind the scenes in that Yankees clubhouse. I mean... Vegas should even be pissed off at the NY organization... tell me there wasn't steam on Detroit once the starting line ups were released? A novice would of taking the Tigers with Verlander on the mound at home tonight. I've heard rumors from Detroit Talk Radio that A-Rod and Swisher were flirting with some hot chick... I don't know if they were referring to New York or in Detroit? But, Swisher and A-Rods minds aren't into WINNING. They are into BANGING... and it's sad that these million dollar athletes can't figure out what their priorities are. It's not Girardi's fault. All the damn wheels just came off... and honestly... it's quite surprising. Steinbrenner must be turning over in his grave at the moment.

[neverstoppers23]

so basically if he doesn't win the world series every year, he is gonna be fired? he won the al east, got to the alcs championship. who in the world would want that job

[shocka1212]

You don't bench your best player with Jeter injured.

arod is not the best player minus jeter on that team.

[shocka1212]

im hoping we eat 80 milli thats left on his deal, send him to the marlins or some other beat squad that needs to fill the seats and cut our losses. it'll free up more cash to spend in the either resigning both granderson and Cano (i know it seems dumb right now but what else is better out there?) and look for an upgrade in RF(See YA Swisher)

[iifold]

The only thing that must go are:

-Spreadsheets that can be edited...
-Trolls...
-Equal point distribution...

If you force strict record keeping that shows up, people will stop posting nonsense. This will in turn put the trolls out of business. If trolling continues, dock their points and contest rights...

This will clean up your forum and make it the most respected forum for sportsbetting knowledge...

Trolls and People that post 37 plays a week aren't spending any cash as it is...

By the way, Girardi isn't the problem, it's upper management.

[nyplayer33]

the yanks got greedy and u the fans pay for dumb contracts...baseball fans everywhere love to see the demise. Wake up and watch the reaction players have..the yanks are arragant and self centered...arod and company..sunflower seeds and smiling in dugout...time to wake them up at 6am and run laps in the outfield..too much pampering going on.

[jjgold]

Lou call me

[Chi_archie]

Yanks might be having their last years of being really good for awhile, front office is not spending like they used to, current stars are expensive and old, minor league system mediocre and not like it used to be.

[Mantle7]

So when Ibanez pinch hit for Arod and went deep in the bottom of the 9th to tie the game and then hit a walk off that same game, do you think it was a bad call?

The bottom line is Girardi has done a great job this year and Arod, Cano, Granderson, and Swisher are not producing. He had to do something.

[vaas187]

You don't bench your best player with Jeter injured.

A rod isn't their best player....cano. a rod just makes 15 million more a year i believe.

[vaas187]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/signs-point-cashman-behind-a-rod-benching-article-1.1185354

[Br0nxer]

Yanks might be having their last years of being really good for awhile, front office is not spending like they used to, current stars are expensive and old, minor league system mediocre and not like it used to be.

Mediocre minor league system

Wrong

Plenty of guys down there that will be major league contributors in the near future

[Bluedragon]

Benching A-Rod and Swisher reeks of desperation. He's trying so hard to make someone else the scapegoat. Fact is none of the bats, except for maybe Raul Ibanez', have done anything important this postseason.

don't see how that's joe's fault

[Bluedragon]

the yanks got greedy and u the fans pay for dumb contracts...baseball fans everywhere love to see the demise. Wake up and watch the reaction players have..the yanks are arragant and self centered...arod and company..sunflower seeds and smiling in dugout...time to wake them up at 6am and run laps in the outfield..too much pampering going on.

good point. something that should be routine like that would make them think they are being punished. i don't see them winning a game here.

[Chi_archie]

Mediocre minor league system

Wrong

Plenty of guys down there that will be major league contributors in the near future

yes mediocre as in, they are ranked in the middle of the pack by places like Baseball America.

besides, many of those guys that are contributors at the MLB level, will be for OTHER teams like the Pirates

the yanks tend to get fleeced and over pay in prospects rather than $ these days.

[Br0nxer]

yes mediocre as in, they are ranked in the middle of the pack by places like Baseball America.

besides, many of those guys that are contributors at the MLB level, will be for OTHER teams like the Pirates

the yanks tend to get fleeced and over pay in prospects rather than $ these days.

Top level prospects will not be traded

They Yankees will no longer spend money like they used to

They will not be moved for huge contract proven major leaguers

[Chi_archie]

Top level prospects will not be traded

They Yankees will no longer spend money like they used to

They will not be moved for huge contract proven major leaguers

great philosophy

but I think they only have 2-3 "top level" prospects. and its rare that more the 50% of those pan out

they got a few years of rebuilding to in their farm system

[JMobile]

A-Rod has a very low Postseason batting average. Why put him in the line-up if it's a automatic out?

[lyon804]

I think Girardi should be given a raise and contract extended. It is amazing how much the Yankees have overcome to win the division and get to this point (although a sweep is likely) Forget the amount of payroll, this team is grossly overpaid and way past there prime with much of those big contriubutors never producing in there post season lives. For the most part when healthy the lineup will continue to feast off of B-level and c-level regular season pitching in there joke of a ball park. There best player in his prime Cano has been just as big of a joke as Arod,Swisher, and Granderson. The Yankees are all about the post season and I would let arod go. Trade him for whatever amount ANY team is willing to take dollar wise off your hands- even if it is only 5 million a year. Doesn't matter he is a losing player. Let Swisher walk, guy has never hit anything in the playoffs. Basically, I know the yankess are in no spend mode, but I would look to get much younger thru trades and minor league system. Many changes are needed to be made if that organization plans on being relevant in the post season anytime in the future.

[19th Hole]

Three times in their history the New York Yankees have been down 0-3
in MLB-best-of-7 series and they were swept each time (the 1922, 1963, 1976)
No Steroids
No Jeter

[freakydave]

So when Ibanez pinch hit for Arod and went deep in the bottom of the 9th to tie the game and then hit a walk off that same game, do you think it was a bad call?

The bottom line is Girardi has done a great job this year and Arod, Cano, Granderson, and Swisher are not producing. He had to do something.

+1
I agree with this. The people who think the NYY's are a bad team should look at there record.The NYY's are a good team whose bats are slumping at the wrong time.it happens in pro sports all the time.

[Br0nxer]

OP is fukkin clueless with anything having to do with the Yankees which has been proven in this thread

Carry on

This might of been a reverse jinx thread

Still investigating

[Chi_archie]

no yank farm hands in AAA or AA in the top 20 rankings of their league, does not bode well.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2012/2614182.html

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2012/2614157.html

tigers, orioles, redsox, phillies looking strong for the future though