Which was worse: Manny vs Bradley "upset" or the Greenbay Seattle "TD"?

High3rEl3m3nt · 09-25-12, 01:16 AM

was supposed to be a formal poll.

Anyhow, I still think Manny vs Bradley was way worse. I realize that this is debatable, but it was the champ. defending his title and there were 12 rounds of him dominating versus one huge bad call...both cases have done major harm to both sports.

Rich Boy · 09-25-12, 01:22 AM

LoL

I got screwed on both of these events

Had Pacman by decision and GB -3.5

Fvk. Gotta be on the right side of the fix next time!!! damn it

Grabaka · 09-25-12, 03:07 AM

Man im super pissed about this robbery. -350 bucks

Mantle7 · 09-25-12, 03:29 AM

Pac Man fight. This was just a regular season NFL game with a bunch of $hitty refs.
That loss puts a undeserved blemish on PacMans legacy.

Still a horrible fukking call. Such a joke. I don't bet NFL. Too hard...

ChalkyDog · 09-25-12, 04:01 AM

They were both great.

Was on Bradley and Seattle.

rem sleep · 09-25-12, 04:03 AM

Pac Bradley and it isn't even close

MexicanStallion · 09-25-12, 05:01 AM

I'd go with the Boxing match as the worst

starfire · 09-25-12, 05:06 AM

Sure looked like a Seattle touchdown too me

sirchadwick1 · 09-25-12, 06:46 AM

Easily the Pacquiao robbery.... It will be hard for me to ever bet on boxing again.

Rawk- · 09-25-12, 07:03 AM

haha had seattle feel like i stole money!

jjgold · 09-25-12, 07:08 AM

Bradley way worse

Not even close

Glitch · 09-25-12, 07:16 AM

boxing because that was bad judgement from a whole long 12-round fight. this was bad judgement of something that was a half a second then not being able to reverse it by their interpretation of the rules.

Nick Papageorgio · 09-25-12, 07:17 AM

That was a touchdown, so many clueless here to the NFl rules.

SportsPedagogy · 09-25-12, 07:20 AM

Seattle got screwed a few times earlier in that game, you can not just take the last play as the decider. Seatle did deserve to win.

SportsPedagogy · 09-25-12, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by Nick Papageorgio

That was a touchdown, so many clueless here to the NFl rules.

Its not a dual possession if one player (Jennings) Establishes possession (two hands on the ball, ball to his chest) and another player also gets possession after they go the ground.

thetrinity · 09-25-12, 07:49 AM

boxing way worse. lol at that being a touchdown, definitely an int

hougigo · 09-25-12, 10:18 AM

No way was Bradley worse than the Seahawks
Some people read too much into these damn HBO commentators

High3rEl3m3nt · 09-25-12, 11:09 AM

Houg,

I don't know. Manny absolutely handled Bradley. He started to lay off Bradley after it was evident that he had a safe lead and bradley was not showing anything. If I'm not mistaken, one judge had Manny winning big, while the two other judges, who were not seasoned boxing judges nor that familiar with the sport, somehow had Bradley winning big. So bad that it launched an investigation...not sure what's the latest with that. I bet big on bradley after reading SBR John's thread and thought that he buried me.

Last night is bad too...my dad is in town. He thinks that the white ref looked towards the black ref and thought the black ref was going to signal a TD and so he did too...though he completed the signal first. Nothing racial about his statement, but he's arguing that the white ref didn't seem confident nor wanting to be the one that made the call and wanted to follow suit of the other ref. I think this makes some sense.

SBR Lou · 09-25-12, 11:10 AM

Actually all three judges scored it 115-113, just two for Bradley.

And the comparison is not close. I watched the fight again without sound and scored it much closer. Most people don't understand how to score a boxing fight. I'm not going to second-guess the professional judges, especially since all three had the same score essentially.

ToPHeR · 09-25-12, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Nick Papageorgio

That was a touchdown, so many clueless here to the NFl rules.

Bad Troll

hougigo · 09-25-12, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt

Houg,

I don't know. Manny absolutely handled Bradley. He started to lay off Bradley after it was evident that he had a safe lead and bradley was not showing anything. If I'm not mistaken, one judge had Manny winning big, while the two other judges, who were not seasoned boxing judges nor that familiar with the sport, somehow had Bradley winning big. So bad that it launched an investigation...not sure what's the latest with that. I bet big on bradley after reading SBR John's thread and thought that he buried me.

Last night is bad too...my dad is in town. He thinks that the white ref looked towards the black ref and thought the black ref was going to signal a TD and so he did too...though he completed the signal first. Nothing racial about his statement, but he's arguing that the white ref didn't seem confident nor wanting to be the one that made the call and wanted to follow suit of the other ref. I think this makes some sense.

No, all judges had it 115-113.
There were rounds you could swing, but the commentators and everybody else seemed to give it to Pac. LIke the first. Everybody gave that to Pac because he landed 3 punches in the last 10 seconds, which makes no sense. Also, an investigation was launched because of the outrcy that everybody perceived this as the biggest boxing robbery ever. Not even close, not even for this year. Marquez handled Pac last year yet there was no investigation.
Pac was outworking him in the middle rounds, but he was only fighting in spurts. Bradley came back in the later rounds and 115-113 is not that insane.
Also if they rematch, I'm taking Bradley with two healthy feet. If Pac fights like that again, it's an easy choice.
Also Calling Jerry Roth a seasoned judge would be correct in which he judged a lot of fights, but he sucks. He had Rios winning he biggest in an even bigger robbery this year.

milwaukee mike · 09-25-12, 11:36 AM

pacquiao was taking half of every round off

i was on bradley and got lucky, but it's entirely reasonable to think someone could've scored that differently

it's a whole other story to think a reasonable person would've called that roughing the passer, the pass interference against rice, and the td. 3 absolutely horrible, inexcusable calls

dj_destroyer · 09-25-12, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

pacquiao was taking half of every round off

i was on bradley and got lucky, but it's entirely reasonable to think someone could've scored that differently

it's a whole other story to think a reasonable person would've called that roughing the passer, the pass interference against rice, and the td. 3 absolutely horrible, inexcusable calls

Tackle was below the knees, automatic call and an easy one at that.

The PI with Rice and the lack of PI on the last play were the real problems.

betcha_bottom$ · 09-25-12, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by dj_destroyer

Tackle was below the knees, automatic call and an easy one at that.

The PI with Rice and the lack of PI on the last play were the real problems.

no it wasn't. he was outside the tackle box. that only applies if he's in the pocket

Dr.Gonzo · 09-25-12, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Actually all three judges scored it 115-113, just two for Bradley.

And the comparison is not close. I watched the fight again without sound and scored it much closer. Most people don't understand how to score a boxing fight. I'm not going to second-guess the professional judges, especially since all three had the same score essentially.

If turning the sound off effects your scoring, you can't score a boxing fight in the first place.

Pac won, there's no debate.

milwaukee mike · 09-25-12, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

If turning the sound off effects your scoring, you can't score a boxing fight in the first place.

Pac won, there's no debate.

as long as someone disagrees, there's a debate. there's only "no debate" if you close your mind to any dissenting opinions, which about 95% of the u.s. population seems to do quite frequently

milwaukee mike · 09-25-12, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by dj_destroyer

Tackle was below the knees, automatic call and an easy one at that.

The PI with Rice and the lack of PI on the last play were the real problems.

dj, with all due respect, you and that official are possibly the only 2 people on the planet that think this is roughing the passer.

Nick Papageorgio · 09-25-12, 01:47 PM

You must complete the catch, don't think the GB corner did so. Sure it should have been offensive PI.The end result was duel possesion. Not roughing the passer on the pick though.

Crassus · 09-25-12, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Nick Papageorgio

That was a touchdown, so many clueless here to the NFl rules.

Classic Nick Papageorgio.

hougigo · 09-25-12, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

If turning the sound off effects your scoring, you can't score a boxing fight in the first place.

Pac won, there's no debate.

And you would like to think sound doesn't affect in scoring?

Ghenghis Kahn · 09-25-12, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Actually all three judges scored it 115-113, just two for Bradley.

And the comparison is not close. I watched the fight again without sound and scored it much closer. Most people don't understand how to score a boxing fight. I'm not going to second-guess the professional judges, especially since all three had the same score essentially.

coming from a guy that hates pacquiao.

why is mayweather afraid to fight him?

CanuckG · 09-25-12, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn

coming from a guy that hates pacquiao.

why is mayweather afraid to fight him?

Mayweather will fight winner of Pacquiao/Marquez probably next April/May. Blame Bob Arum for this fight not happening....all politics.

nic9212 · 09-25-12, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by starfire

Sure looked like a Seattle touchdown too me

Filmoz · 09-25-12, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt

Last night is bad too...my dad is in town. He thinks that the white ref looked towards the black ref and thought the black ref was going to signal a TD and so he did too...though he completed the signal first. Nothing racial about his statement, but he's arguing that the white ref didn't seem confident nor wanting to be the one that made the call and wanted to follow suit of the other ref. I think this makes some sense.

This is exactly the same thing I thought when I saw it. If you look at the ref's body language, you can tell he has no idea what to call, and so he subtly looks at the black ref for an instant before trying to (what he thought was) mimic his call.