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  • Surtainly
    SBR Rookie
    • 09-29-10
    • 39

    #771
    taking your ball and going home, D3? LOL! my god.
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    • ChileCheese
      SBR MVP
      • 11-07-09
      • 1957

      #772
      ladies.
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      • ssk13809
        SBR MVP
        • 08-25-10
        • 2595

        #773
        Releasing all plays with final unit counts wagered on each


        As I said earlier, I am projected to do really well this week so really betting big on each play. Very confident. I would be shocked to lose ANY of my plays this week. Last time I said all this was Thanksgiving ,and we all know how that went.


        If you want to tail and win, this is your chance to win BIG.
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        • ssk13809
          SBR MVP
          • 08-25-10
          • 2595

          #774
          Originally posted by dwang0725
          What do you think has changed from week 2 when these two teams first met? Home field? NE can't stop anyone on D. They are 31st in the league, giving up close to 400 yds per game, second last only to Washington. To win, they will have to rely solely on their #1 ranked offense averaging over 30 pt per game. If there's one thing I have learned about the NFL, more often than not, defense will win you games. This game is the Jet's game to lose, not NE game to win.
          I hope you realize Tom Brady hasn't lost at home regular season since 2006. You really want to bet against that? And the Patriots are as good as they've been over the past decade right now.
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          • drukes1234
            SBR Hustler
            • 11-23-10
            • 68

            #775
            Hey SSK, my book has NE at -3.5 --- you still think it's LOCK at that price?
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            • ssk13809
              SBR MVP
              • 08-25-10
              • 2595

              #776
              Originally posted by drukes1234
              Hey SSK, my book has NE at -3.5 --- you still think it's LOCK at that price?
              Just buy half a point to be safe. I wouldn't say it's a LOCK at -3.5. Because a push is very possible. But still a good play.


              Just tail me on the rest when I post my plays and you'll still do very good.
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              • dwang0725
                SBR Sharp
                • 09-23-10
                • 330

                #777
                Originally posted by ssk13809
                I hope you realize Tom Brady hasn't lost at home regular season since 2006. You really want to bet against that? And the Patriots are as good as they've been over the past decade right now.
                Agreed, but then again, the Pats are not dogs in this game. They have to win and cover by 3. Your ML play might hit, but ATS is a coin toss. And yes, I will bet against Brady's record ATS this coming Monday.

                Do you know Brady's record ATS at home since 2006? If you don't, I'll tell you.

                2006: 3-5
                2007: 5-3
                2008: 3-4-1
                2009: 5-3
                2010: 2-1-2

                total: 18-16-2

                While not a losing record, it's not an unblemished record of 24-0.

                Also, the Jet's have won 8 consecutive regular season road games dating back to last year. 5-0 this year. While not all road wins were as dogs, 8 consecutive road game wins is quite a feat in the NFL. Do you really want to bet against that? Their ATS record as road dogs dating back to 2006? 15-8. I'll take a gamble on 15-8 over 18-16-2 any day.

                The Pat's best defense is when Tom Brady and the offense is on the field...
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                • dugdogg
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-10-10
                  • 2708

                  #778
                  Originally posted by ssk13809
                  Just buy half a point to be safe. I wouldn't say it's a LOCK at -3.5. Because a push is very possible. But still a good play.


                  Just tail me on the rest when I post my plays and you'll still do very good.

                  how exactly is a push possible at -3.5??? you have -3 where a push is possible. yet you insinuate that a game isn't a lock if a push is possible??
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                  • drukes1234
                    SBR Hustler
                    • 11-23-10
                    • 68

                    #779
                    He's saying a push is very possible in his -3 bet which makes it a lot better of a bet than -3.5, hence buying the half point to give the opportunity for a push.
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                    • ssk13809
                      SBR MVP
                      • 08-25-10
                      • 2595

                      #780
                      Originally posted by drukes1234
                      He's saying a push is very possible in his -3 bet which makes it a lot better of a bet than -3.5, hence buying the half point to give the opportunity for a push.
                      Exactly. Can't tell you how many times I've seen Brady lead drives for a game winning FG
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                      • ssk13809
                        SBR MVP
                        • 08-25-10
                        • 2595

                        #781
                        Originally posted by dwang0725
                        Agreed, but then again, the Pats are not dogs in this game. They have to win and cover by 3. Your ML play might hit, but ATS is a coin toss. And yes, I will bet against Brady's record ATS this coming Monday.

                        Do you know Brady's record ATS at home since 2006? If you don't, I'll tell you.

                        2006: 3-5
                        2007: 5-3
                        2008: 3-4-1
                        2009: 5-3
                        2010: 2-1-2

                        total: 18-16-2

                        While not a losing record, it's not an unblemished record of 24-0.

                        Also, the Jet's have won 8 consecutive regular season road games dating back to last year. 5-0 this year. While not all road wins were as dogs, 8 consecutive road game wins is quite a feat in the NFL. Do you really want to bet against that? Their ATS record as road dogs dating back to 2006? 15-8. I'll take a gamble on 15-8 over 18-16-2 any day.

                        The Pat's best defense is when Tom Brady and the offense is on the field...

                        -3 almost implies just getting the WIN. Most those games you posted had large spreads more than -3. I'm assuming they will win, most likely easily. And if not easily, worst-case push. I'll take that bet.
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                        • GoCougs!
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 07-11-10
                          • 973

                          #782
                          Thanks for the picks SSK. This thread is getting clogged w/ garbage, that's too bad.
                          I like the fact that you think the Seahawks will win. We need a freakin' "W" badly.
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                          • ssk13809
                            SBR MVP
                            • 08-25-10
                            • 2595

                            #783
                            Official Week 13 Play Card



                            2 Team Teaser (6 points)
                            Eagles -2
                            Cheifs -2
                            Risk 27.5 to Win 25

                            Patriots -175 ML
                            Risk 26.2 to Win 15

                            Patriots -3 ATS
                            Risk 18.8 to Win 15

                            Rams -3 ATS
                            Risk 18 to Win 15

                            Seahawks -6 ATS

                            Risk 16.5 to Win 15

                            Ravens -150 ML
                            Risk 7.5 to Win 5

                            3 Team Teaser (6 points)
                            Saints -0.5
                            Colts +0.5
                            Seahawks pk

                            Risk 25 to Win 45

                            3 Team ML Parlay
                            Eagles -375
                            Chargers -600
                            Packers -525

                            Risk 15 to Win 11.4

                            3 Team ML Parlay
                            Colts -245
                            Chiefs -430
                            Chargers -600

                            Risk 10 to Win 10.3

                            ATS Parlay
                            Saints -6.5
                            Colts -5.5
                            Seahawks -6
                            Patriots -3 (-125)
                            Rams -3 (-130)
                            Ravens -3

                            Risk 4 to Win 173.2

                            3 Team Teaser (6.5 Points)
                            Rams +3.5
                            Patriots +3
                            Ravens +3.5

                            Risk 10 to Win 16





                            Have any questions about any of the picks let me know. But like I said, with high analyst projections, MM team going in hard. Should be a huge weekend.

                            I'll be surprised to lose any of these bets (except maybe ATS 6 team parlay lol)
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                            • dwang0725
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 09-23-10
                              • 330

                              #784
                              Originally posted by ssk13809
                              -3 almost implies just getting the WIN. Most those games you posted had large spreads more than -3. I'm assuming they will win, most likely easily. And if not easily, worst-case push. I'll take that bet.
                              OK, but that's only half the equation. What about the Jets wins on the road? Are you just discounting that?

                              OK, I'll narrow Brady's ATS record down for you even more. FYI, since 2006 in home games where NE was favored by 3 points or less, their record is 3-3-2. Not stellar and basically a coin flip. So out of 24 games where Brady has won at home since 2006, Brady has a record of 15-13 ATS where the spread was larger than 3 points. That's better than the 3-3-2 when the spread was 3 points or less. Hmmm. That goes against your theory.
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                              • ScottLocke
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 09-16-10
                                • 525

                                #785
                                ATS record doesn't matter with -3, if you win straight up then you are pushing the -3 at worst about 95% of the time. Personally I don't know why anyone would ever play the ML on a team -3 or less ever, there is just so little value in the -1 and -2. In the last 2 weeks only one game has been decided by 2 points or less.
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                                • ssk13809
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 08-25-10
                                  • 2595

                                  #786
                                  Originally posted by ScottLocke
                                  ATS record doesn't matter with -3, if you win straight up then you are pushing the -3 at worst about 95% of the time. Personally I don't know why anyone would ever play the ML on a team -3 or less ever, there is just so little value in the -1 and -2. In the last 2 weeks only one game has been decided by 2 points or less.
                                  It's just really painful when you do bet ATS -3 and your team wins by 1 or 2
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                                  • dugdogg
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-10-10
                                    • 2708

                                    #787
                                    anyone ever buy the half point when it's +/- 3 ATS??
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                                    • ssk13809
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 08-25-10
                                      • 2595

                                      #788
                                      Originally posted by dugdogg
                                      anyone ever buy the half point when it's +/- 3 ATS??
                                      I think I read somewhere when the price is reasonable, you should always buy it around -3. Long-term you will win. I heard that is the ONLY time when buying points makes is recommended, when the line is around -3.


                                      Which line are you looking at?
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                                      • Full Time Hobo
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 05-16-10
                                        • 2778

                                        #789
                                        Good Luck this week man

                                        Hope you cash in big

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                                        • ssk13809
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 08-25-10
                                          • 2595

                                          #790
                                          Originally posted by Full Time Hobo
                                          Good Luck this week man

                                          Hope you cash in big

                                          Will you be tailing any plays? All those plays are very strong.
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                                          • drukes1234
                                            SBR Hustler
                                            • 11-23-10
                                            • 68

                                            #791
                                            Why don't you combine your two big teasers into one 7 point teaser? Saints, Eagles, Chiefs, Seahawks, Colts -- 7 point teaser pays 4:1 and they're large bets for you anyway


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                                            • ssk13809
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 08-25-10
                                              • 2595

                                              #792
                                              Originally posted by drukes1234
                                              Why don't you combine your two big teasers into one 7 point teaser? Saints, Eagles, Chiefs, Seahawks, Colts -- 7 point teaser pays 4:1 and they're large bets for you anyway


                                              Well 1st of all, I don't make the final bets. I tell my leans and probabilities, and I have a team, the pick management team, that makes them into picks. Their goal is to try to create the most profitable combination of picks. So I have no control over that.


                                              But yeah, I'm trying to figure out WHICH one of those teams will have the most trouble. Seriously? I see all those teams covering easily.
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                                              • RAVENSFAN
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 10-17-10
                                                • 891

                                                #793
                                                I have a question....You bet SO many units. What is 1 unit in your terms? 10$? or what?
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                                                • BetterBizness
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 05-20-06
                                                  • 5737

                                                  #794
                                                  Originally posted by ssk13809
                                                  Anyways back to football

                                                  My plays so far this week


                                                  2 Team Teaser (6 points)
                                                  Eagles -2
                                                  Cheifs -2

                                                  Risk 30 to Win 27.2


                                                  Guys jump on this one early. This one is a free one. Eagles and Cheifs are FAR superior than the teams they are facing.




                                                  Patriots -175 ML
                                                  Risk 35 to Win 20


                                                  Patriots -3 ATS
                                                  Risk 25 to Win 20
                                                  Originally posted by ssk13809
                                                  Another ATS Play

                                                  Seahawks -6
                                                  Risk 22 to Win 20
                                                  uhm?: +clueless


                                                  Originally posted by ssk13809
                                                  Official Week 13 Play Card



                                                  2 Team Teaser (6 points)
                                                  Eagles -2
                                                  Cheifs -2
                                                  Risk 27.5 to Win 25

                                                  Patriots -175 ML
                                                  Risk 26.2 to Win 15

                                                  Patriots -3 ATS
                                                  Risk 18.8 to Win 15[B]

                                                  Seahawks -6 ATS
                                                  Risk 16.5 to Win 15[B]

                                                  Did I miss something? that's 22+ units away from your original bets? NOW you're downgrading??? Even AFTER you told everyone to pound the early Teaser among other things...

                                                  Like I hate having to continue being the watchdog for your poor accounting, but this is beyond any logical understanding... You know you're talking about someones $22,000 here?
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                                                  • BetterBizness
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 05-20-06
                                                    • 5737

                                                    #795
                                                    Originally posted by RAVENSFAN
                                                    I have a question....You bet SO many units. What is 1 unit in your terms? 10$? or what?
                                                    Whatever unit you want them to be bro...
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                                                    • ssk13809
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 08-25-10
                                                      • 2595

                                                      #796
                                                      Originally posted by RAVENSFAN
                                                      I have a question....You bet SO many units. What is 1 unit in your terms? 10$? or what?
                                                      SO many units? You haven't been following this thread have you.

                                                      1st of all, as I've said before, units in this thread has nothing to do with real life for me. My real bankroll was very low to start this season, so I usually would have 100% of my bankroll on the line every week. It's gotten much bigger now.

                                                      But for this thread I started with 100 units. This 100 units was assumed to be a large amount, for example 1 unit = 1k. So I had to use good money management, the most I'd bet on a game was 10% of my bankroll (10 units), and normally 3-5%. Kind of aggressive for a large amount, but I'm that good.


                                                      Now you are probably wondering then, what is going on this week then? Well I'm projected to do really good, and I have a Money Management team that based on these projections (which have proven to be correct) has decided to be VERY aggressive this week.






                                                      So in summary, 1 unit has no relation in real-life, but is supposed to be a considerable amount of money (1k). But this week I will do very well. So you can watch from the side or join the ride.
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                                                      • ssk13809
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 08-25-10
                                                        • 2595

                                                        #797
                                                        Originally posted by BetterBizness
                                                        uhm?: +clueless





                                                        Did I miss something? that's 22+ units away from your original bets? NOW you're downgrading??? Even AFTER you told everyone to pound the early Teaser among other things...

                                                        Like I hate having to continue being the watchdog for your poor accounting, but this is beyond any logical understanding... You know you're talking about someones $22,000 here?

                                                        I said this a while ago. It's not like I'm gaining any advantage. And the amounts are still LARGE. So ultimately I gained nothing, still have a large amount of my bankroll on the line, and everything is still proportionally as large (in other words, the teaser still is huge, the lock still is huge, and so on for all those tailing).


                                                        So it doesn't make ANY difference. Come on BetterBizness, don't make this an issue. It has no affect. If I win, I'll still win big, if I lose, I'll still lose big.
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                                                        • BetterBizness
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 05-20-06
                                                          • 5737

                                                          #798
                                                          Ok I got it.. you didn't have enough bankroll to place your original bets to cover your parlays and teasers, so you WENT BACK and took your bets back to make the new bets...

                                                          No need to explain.. I got it now... The thread actually had some potential for a little while last week... And then THIS week then you decided to do ONE MORE ridiculous thing... Can you seriously just stay within some sort of rule system so people don't ALWAYS have to call you out...
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                                                          • BetterBizness
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 05-20-06
                                                            • 5737

                                                            #799
                                                            Originally posted by ssk13809
                                                            I said this a while ago. It's not like I'm gaining any advantage. And the amounts are still LARGE. So ultimately I gained nothing, still have a large amount of my bankroll on the line, and everything is still proportionally as large (in other words, the teaser still is huge, the lock still is huge, and so on for all those tailing).


                                                            So it doesn't make ANY difference. Come on BetterBizness, don't make this an issue. It has no affect. If I win, I'll still win big, if I lose, I'll still lose big.
                                                            Ya but YOU said you started with 100 Units... YOU made the rules... part of the lesson is MONEY MANAGEMENT... YOU Spent the "money"... You can't just take them back now... That's how YOU chose to diversify... That's how people following you wll choose to follow you... Have you ever wandered to ANY other part of this forum... When people say 10x, or 5x, or 50x.. People Follow them based on the confidence that that "x" is... Then when you go back on it, "no I really meant 5x instead of 10x.. no big deal"... What do you think that tells someone?

                                                            I'm not at all saying that's what someone did... But if you're going to play the game, play it right... Most people here have UNLIMITED Units... That's fine, but that's NOT what you have... because that's what you told us... you will use the 100 units to make your wagers... and you ALREADY put those units in play.. Good or Bad...

                                                            You think this is a small thing, but it's one of the biggest things you've done wrong based on YOUR OWN set of rules...
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                                                            • ssk13809
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 08-25-10
                                                              • 2595

                                                              #800
                                                              Originally posted by BetterBizness
                                                              Ok I got it.. you didn't have enough bankroll to place your original bets to cover your parlays and teasers, so you WENT BACK and took your bets back to make the new bets...




                                                              No need to explain.. I got it now... The thread actually had some potential for a little while last week... And then THIS week then you decided to do ONE MORE ridiculous thing... Can you seriously just stay within some sort of rule system so people don't ALWAYS have to call you out...


                                                              Yeah yeah you got it. It was either doing what I just did, or taking a "loan" from the bank. I think the "loan" idea would have more bad responses. Though it might be worth a try at some point. But what I did really has NO affect, on anything. Bets are still huge, still the same bets, still will either lose or win big, and so on. And since it has like no affect, no one would really call me out on it....except of course you lol. Every little thing.
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                                                              • ssk13809
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 08-25-10
                                                                • 2595

                                                                #801
                                                                Originally posted by BetterBizness
                                                                Ya but YOU said you started with 100 Units... YOU made the rules... part of the lesson is MONEY MANAGEMENT... YOU Spent the "money"... You can't just take them back now...

                                                                You think this is a small thing, but it's one of the biggest things you've done wrong based on YOUR OWN set of rules...
                                                                It has NO affect. I still lose big, win big. I still have HUGE amounts (more than any other games/weeks) on each game. It's still very serious either way. Sure it's not technically correct, but since it has no real affect, it's okay.
                                                                And it was either this or a "Bank Loan". Which one do you think is a better idea?
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                                                                • ssk13809
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 08-25-10
                                                                  • 2595

                                                                  #802
                                                                  Originally posted by BetterBizness
                                                                  Ya but YOU said you started with 100 Units... YOU made the rules... part of the lesson is MONEY MANAGEMENT... YOU Spent the "money"... You can't just take them back now... That's how YOU chose to diversify... That's how people following you wll choose to follow you... Have you ever wandered to ANY other part of this forum... When people say 10x, or 5x, or 50x.. People Follow them based on the confidence that that "x" is... Then when you go back on it, "no I really meant 5x instead of 10x.. no big deal"... What do you think that tells someone?

                                                                  I'm not at all saying that's what someone did... But if you're going to play the game, play it right... Most people here have UNLIMITED Units... That's fine, but that's NOT what you have... because that's what you told us... you will use the 100 units to make your wagers... and you ALREADY put those units in play.. Good or Bad...

                                                                  You think this is a small thing, but it's one of the biggest things you've done wrong based on YOUR OWN set of rules...
                                                                  But the thing with the 10x and 5x thing is, I still have 10x confidence on it. My bets are bigger than every before. The confidence is still there. It was just a matter of letting my pick and money management team better allocate the units in the picks.

                                                                  I had 100+ units in play? I still DO. It's not like I'm using more units than I have made so far now.

                                                                  Like I said betterbizzness, no one would care besides you. Because it has NO affect and it is just being picky.
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                                                                  • BetterBizness
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 05-20-06
                                                                    • 5737

                                                                    #803
                                                                    Originally posted by ssk13809
                                                                    Yeah yeah you got it. It was either doing what I just did, or taking a "loan" from the bank. I think the "loan" idea would have more bad responses. Though it might be worth a try at some point. But what I did really has NO affect, on anything. Bets are still huge, still the same bets, still will either lose or win big, and so on. And since it has like no affect, no one would really call me out on it....except of course you lol. Every little thing.
                                                                    Buddy BANK LOAN??


                                                                    Don't turn this more into a Sheit show then it already is... You Made a bankroll, and now you don't want to stick with it... Why is this so difficult???

                                                                    You are GAINING Bets based on taking back bets that you "theoretically" already made...

                                                                    The sad part here is that I'm probably SAVING you money from your original intent when you lose the 20 other parlays... But if you going to maintain any integrity in what you're betting, You need to stick to your own rules... Pretty sure everyone but Tree would agree with me... it's sketchy...

                                                                    Like I said, this week alone is already making you look like a tool for putting your entire bankroll in Jeopardy... You were actually starting to look like you had a plan for the past 3 weeks, slow and steady... Now this... I want to cheer against you because I really think you need some lessons in Bankroll mgmt... But then the Thread would stop, and I would be sad...

                                                                    Or I guess you could just find another 100 samolians or whatever, and Start a new Thread...
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                                                                    • ssk13809
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 08-25-10
                                                                      • 2595

                                                                      #804
                                                                      Originally posted by BetterBizness
                                                                      Buddy BANK LOAN??


                                                                      Don't turn this more into a Sheit show then it already is... You Made a bankroll, and now you don't want to stick with it... Why is this so difficult???

                                                                      You are GAINING Bets based on taking back bets that you "theoretically" already made...

                                                                      The sad part here is that I'm probably SAVING you money from your original intent when you lose the 20 other parlays... But if you going to maintain any integrity in what you're betting, You need to stick to your own rules... Pretty sure everyone but Tree would agree with me... it's sketchy...

                                                                      Like I said, this week alone is already making you look like a tool for putting your entire bankroll in Jeopardy... You were actually starting to look like you had a plan for the past 3 weeks, slow and steady... Now this... I want to cheer against you because I really think you need some lessons in Bankroll mgmt... But then the Thread would stop, and I would be sad...

                                                                      Or I guess you could just find another 100 samolians or whatever, and Start a new Thread...

                                                                      I actually asked everyone if they think its wrong or bad or would care. One responded saying he wouldn't care, and the others didn't even care enough to post that. Why? Because it has NO AFFECT. I still have the same bets, and I still lose big or win big. So why would anyone care?

                                                                      I gave myself a bankroll. I am still using bets WITHIN that bankroll. It's not like I have 200 units on the line when I only have 180 units. I have 180, and that is how much I'm using.






                                                                      Does this make sense? I still am using MY OWN BANKROLL this week. Not extra units from a loan or something. I just readjusted the bet sizes per bet, but the total bets size is the same.









                                                                      Either way, it has no affect.
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                                                                      • BetterBizness
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 05-20-06
                                                                        • 5737

                                                                        #805
                                                                        Originally posted by ssk13809

                                                                        Like I said betterbizzness, no one would care besides you. Because it has NO affect and it is just being picky.
                                                                        So in the end... Professionalism means nothing... I'm just being picky...

                                                                        K man.. do well with that then... You bring out your inexperience on an hourly basis... There are people in this forum who, despite being amateur betters, are extremely Professional in the craft and communication of handicapping...

                                                                        You, are NOT....You may be one day.... But for now, picking winners is the LEAST of your worries...
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