How bad are the NFL QB's

[stymie]

what we have is an abundancy of parity through out the league now and that makes football better than ever

[3PtShooter]

NFl QBs are the best on the world

[GunShard]

Peyton Manning is the only legendary QB playing right now at a legendary level.

Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady are the great QB's.

Brett Favre and Donovan McNabb are the washed up superstars.

Ben Rothlesberger is the winner who benefits from his team and won't get as much credit.

Matt Schaub, Kyle Orton, Tony Romo, and Philip Rivers, are the guys who will put up big numbers but never win.

Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, and Matt Ryan are the hit or miss guys. Could be great, could throw 4 picks or both.

Mark Sanchez, Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, and Matt Cassell are the game managers who benefit from strong run games and defenses.

Matt Hasslebeck is the washed up, career long, average QB. Guess what? He is till average.

Carson Palmer is the overrated guy who is still making his name off of one good year.

Jake Delhomme is the head case who can scare you when he is hot.

Vince Young, David Garrard, and Mike Vick are the black quarterbacks who will never get any credit.

Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman, and Kevin Kolb are the high draft picks who have shown NFL ability but haven't taken the leap yet.

Alex Smith and Matt Stafford are the high picks who would have gone much later if they re-drafted.

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bruce Gradkowski, Jason Campbell, and Shaun Hill are the guys who we know are bad but are capable of winning a few games.

Seneca Wallace, Matt Moore, and Derek Anderson are the bottom dwellers who will only be starters for bad teams and back ups for good teams.

Well said!
The 49ers made a mistake of trading their better QB Shaun Hill with Alex Smith.

The Dolphins started the wrong QB. Chad Pennington is a better QB than Chad Henne in my opinion.

You should add Big Ben with the last of game managers, the Steelers proven to win games without Big Ben.

Mark Sanchez, Kyle Orton and Michael Vick are playing like the Top 10 QBs so far.

[JosephPavs]

Manning is not Legendary... Have you seen his performance...

[thebestthereis]

no mention of the speed and skill of the defenses these days and lack of quality offensive lines and blocking for the qb. teams draft defensive lineman first and they are much more talented than most offensive lineman, faster and stronger. learn what you are arguing before you talk about the lack of qb's. has little to do with lack of talent at that position.

[rem sleep]

most overrated qb right now - Brett Favre

he has some of the best talent on offense and defense but he keeps finding a way to cause a game changing turnover

[gryfyn1]

The world of Putrid QBing, week 5 edition!

A special note for Carson Palmer: 21/36 202yrds 2TD 3Int 58.3 QBR, but he threw 2 picks in the last 2:20 to lead to 10 points at the loss.

Jake Delhomme 13/23 97yrds 2INT 30.5 QBR, man it nice to see him back in action
Jimmy Claussen 9/22 61yrds 1INT 29.7 QBR Hey, Rookie, welcome to the NFL
Matt Moore 5/10 35yrds 2INT 18.8 QBR quality job in relief of Claussen
Todd Collins 6/16 32 yrds 4INT 6.3 QBR

Just an Absoluletly stunning performance in the chi/car game 4 QBs comined for a 22/51 147yrds 7INT 10.9 QBR performance!

[scarp]

Funniest thing to watch is Bears backup QB's throwing a football. Where did they picks these guys up??? Wal-Mart?

[JosephPavs]

no mention of the speed and skill of the defenses these days and lack of quality offensive lines and blocking for the qb. teams draft defensive lineman first and they are much more talented than most offensive lineman, faster and stronger. learn what you are arguing before you talk about the lack of qb's. has little to do with lack of talent at that position.

On the other side there are all the rules that make this a QB league

[Italia_NYC]

Sanchez has not thrown an interception or had any turnovers this season

That's because he only throws the ball 5 times a game. He's the Trent Dilfer of NY.

[Socrates]

Sanchez doesn't qualify as a great QB yet guy. Sure he is playing great but let's see him command his offense down the field with two minutes left and make plays winners make. Right now he is being bottle-fed this offense.

I'm glad you now qualify him as a great QB. That's pretty much what he's done the past 3 games. Insane, ice in his veins.

I have to stop coming in here to review my damn football plays for analysis. That's 3 f.ucking games in a row i've scratched the Jets off of my bets because of the negative hype on here. had to fight the temptation to bet on them. Money lost because I listened to SBR Clowns who think they know what they're talking about.

Fuk the haters, the Jets are the real deal and Sanchez is legit.

[D3 Mighty Ducks]

Brett Favre WAS a great QB, now he sucks. Thats his career in a nut shell. If he left the first time he retired then he would be a legend. Now all I can think about when I think about Favre are his last couple of years being sloppy seconds on the Jets and Vikings.

No one and nothing will ever change my opinion on Favre, he sucks.

[ttwarrior1]

black qb's still think they are owed from slavery

[vyomguy]

brady is better than manning.

rivers, brees, rodgers are all good.

[jjgold]

no mention of the speed and skill of the defenses these days and lack of quality offensive lines and blocking for the qb. teams draft defensive lineman first and they are much more talented than most offensive lineman, faster and stronger. learn what you are arguing before you talk about the lack of qb's. has little to do with lack of talent at that position.

Great post, it is getting harder and harder for QB's to be effective.

[slacker00]

Great post, it is getting harder and harder for QB's to be effective.

Every rule change and rule interpretation favors the modern QB. There is constant inflation in passing stats. No old timers hold any records anymore. Pretty soon Marino won't have any records left, especially when we go to 18 games.

[stealthyburrito]

this seems to be the year of the qb.

[GiveMeaBJ]

Revised after mid-season.
Peyton Manning is the one of the all-time great QB's. Who could stake his claim as the best ever with two more Super Bowl wins.

Tom Brady is the winner who can go down as an all-time great.

Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Kyle Orton, Phillip Rivers are the big number guys who benefit from lack of running games and throwing the ball 35+ times per game.

Donovan McNabb is the washed up superstar.

Brett Favre is the really washed up superstar.

Ben Rothlesberger is the winner who benefits from his team and won't get as much credit because of the defense.

Matt Schaub is the best quarterback in the league when down by 21 points. Will never accomplish much when it really matters though.

Tony Romo is still the big number Pro-Bowler who will never win anything.

Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, and Matt Ryan are the hit or miss guys. Could be great, could be terrible. Eli is a great QB who makes too many mistakes. Cutler is a head case. Ryan is a game manager who is really coming into his own. He needs to do it on the road though.

Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco are the young QBs who need to define themselves. Both will benefit from being game managers. Both show flashes of being elite passers but sometimes leave you scratching your head.

Chad Henne and Matt Cassell are the game managers who benefit from strong run games and defenses.

Matt Hasslebeck is the washed up, career long, average QB. Guess what? He is still average.

Mike Vick is the head scratcher. His talent is endless but is he really the great passer he has shown this year?

Carson Palmer is the really overrated guy who is still making his name off of one good year.

Jake Delhomme is the head case who can scare you when he is hot.

Vince Young and David Garrard are the token black quarterbacks who will never get any credit.

Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman are the high picks who have shown NFL ability but haven't taken the leap to being great 60 minute qbs yet.

Kevin Kolb is the high draft pick who needs a new team.

Alex Smith and Matt Stafford are the high picks who would have gone much later if they re-drafted. Dare I say, busts?

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bruce Gradkowski, Jason Campbell, and Shaun Hill are the guys who we know are bad but are capable of winning a few games.

Seneca Wallace, Matt Moore, and Derek Anderson are the bottom dwellers who will only be starters for bad teams and back ups for good teams.

Rusty Smith and St. Pierre are the guys that leave you wondering from the couch if you could make it as an NFL QB.

[marcoloco]

they are bad to the bone

[Art Vandelay]

St. Pierre was on the couch a few weeks ago - he was a stay-at-home dad!

[bonduforlife]

Revised after mid-season.
Peyton Manning is the one of the all-time great QB's. Who could stake his claim as the best ever with two more Super Bowl wins.

Tom Brady is the winner who can go down as an all-time great.

Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Kyle Orton, Phillip Rivers are the big number guys who benefit from lack of running games and throwing the ball 35+ times per game.

Donovan McNabb is the washed up superstar.

Brett Favre is the really washed up superstar.

Ben Rothlesberger is the winner who benefits from his team and won't get as much credit because of the defense.

Matt Schaub is the best quarterback in the league when down by 21 points. Will never accomplish much when it really matters though.

Tony Romo is still the big number Pro-Bowler who will never win anything.

Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, and Matt Ryan are the hit or miss guys. Could be great, could be terrible. Eli is a great QB who makes too many mistakes. Cutler is a head case. Ryan is a game manager who is really coming into his own. He needs to do it on the road though.

Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco are the young QBs who need to define themselves. Both will benefit from being game managers. Both show flashes of being elite passers but sometimes leave you scratching your head.

Chad Henne and Matt Cassell are the game managers who benefit from strong run games and defenses.

Matt Hasslebeck is the washed up, career long, average QB. Guess what? He is still average.

Mike Vick is the head scratcher. His talent is endless but is he really the great passer he has shown this year?

Carson Palmer is the really overrated guy who is still making his name off of one good year.

Jake Delhomme is the head case who can scare you when he is hot.

Vince Young and David Garrard are the token black quarterbacks who will never get any credit.

Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman are the high picks who have shown NFL ability but haven't taken the leap to being great 60 minute qbs yet.

Kevin Kolb is the high draft pick who needs a new team.

Alex Smith and Matt Stafford are the high picks who would have gone much later if they re-drafted. Dare I say, busts?

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bruce Gradkowski, Jason Campbell, and Shaun Hill are the guys who we know are bad but are capable of winning a few games.

Seneca Wallace, Matt Moore, and Derek Anderson are the bottom dwellers who will only be starters for bad teams and back ups for good teams.

Rusty Smith and St. Pierre are the guys that leave you wondering from the couch if you could make it as an NFL QB.

Post of the century

[icancount2one]

BJ obviously great list overall, but Manning's having an off season. I also think you and most people have the top of the list a little screwy.

I think Tom Brady is a perfect fit for New England just based on his perfectionist psychology, but talent-wise he's not all he's cracked up to be. He benefits from an insane offensive line, and in a pressure situation where QBs really show their stripes, I'd take Rodgers, Big Ben, and Brees over Brady in a heartbeat.

Rodgers is a matador who succeeds despite mid-grade receivers and a crappy line.

You're totally right about Young and Garrard never getting any credit no matter what they do. I guarantee you if Vick wins the super bowl this year, racists like C-Gold will find a way to say the Eagles succeeded in spite of him or it was a set up by the NFL.

But I have no idea what OP was on about with QBs being no good these days. There's talent all over the place. There's only a few teams that are really in the market for a QB.

[McBa1n]

I'm not even going to bother reading anything in this thread.
Obviously, if you're saying QB's in the NFL are bad, then you don't watch football (or study games), or play TOO much solo Maddens.
The QB position in recent history has been incredibly better than at any time prior. This point is almost non-debatable.
Guys like Eli Manning are capable of winning a ring, and I'm not so sure he's a 'top 10' QB. He's better than a dickload of QBs prior (including his crappy father, who stunk, but was considered good -- at the time).
Horrible OP and horrible debate... I'd like to fade the OP poster for the season for saying such a dumb thing. It's not quite as dumb as the 'anti-black' knuckleheads, but really dumb.

[astrodomer]

its got so bad you got John Kitna running 25 yd td rushing plays

[ScottLocke]

pretty sure Manning would be the GOAT if he retired today.

[ScottLocke]

Also, lol at the NFL QBs being bad, this is probably the best the have ever been and its not even close. The bottom 10 nfl QBs have always sucked.

[JVP3122]

Revised after mid-season.
Peyton Manning is the one of the all-time great QB's. Who could stake his claim as the best ever with two more Super Bowl wins.

Why do so many people judge a quarterback's worth by how many Super Bowl rings he has? Football is the ultimate team game, and a quarterback is involved in 60% of the plays, at the most.

[HilltopTony]

Not many pure throwers in College is what it comes down to. Top Colleges recruit "athletes" to be their QB'S, because they have a better chance of winning with the best athlete under center. What's more important than winning a National Championship? Development of a QB? I think NOT!

Also, player development in the NFL sucks, they can't evaluate talent and when they stumble upon it in the later rounds they can't develop it properly.

[D3 Mighty Ducks]

Matt Ryan getting no love from the public

[Grux]

I am glad Tom Brady is the QB of my favorite team. I do think we are seeing some good young QB's (McCoy, Bradford) starting to play well.

[Mr. Jones]

Great thread with some real good analysis. However, without being easily able to point to specific examples, I dare say that this ratio of great, real good, average. below average, and absolutely sucky QB's has more or less remained constant with the passage of time.

Boys there have been some real pretenders at the position for 50 or more years. There is an ebb and flow which varies every few years, but not really by all that much. And remember that over the years, expansion and an overall increase in injuries has meant more mediocre QB's have been pressed into service.

[Dark Horse]

Some good categorizing, but would prefer to grade them from best to worst in two separate groups; those who won a SB and those who haven't. When you've been there and done it, you can do it again. And I would also grade them in terms of balance on offense. A team that is too pass happy will make the QB look great, but with a better balance between passing and rushing they may win more games. A team that can consistently win with a very high passing/rushing ratio has a truly great QB, because most of the time that type of reliance turns into a weakness.

[Beachdude83]

How can you put Brady behind manning? Brady always had less of a run game and turned no name receivers into known receivers. Also legendary qb brings his team for game winning drives when it matters the most.

[ScottLocke]

How can you put Brady behind manning? Brady always had less of a run game and turned no name receivers into known receivers. Also legendary qb brings his team for game winning drives when it matters the most.

Anybody who cannot see Manning is way ahead of Brady and every other QB is either delusional or does not know football.

[McBa1n]

I'd say the TOUGHEST "comparison" is Big Ben vs Rivers. If you were drafting, who do you take?
That's what makes grading out players IMPOSSIBLE somtimes (I watch a dickload of tape). Rivers can win a dickload of games in Nov/Dec games, but 0 rings. Eli has a ring. Big Ben has 2. Rivers, IMO, could be the best of that class - but he has NOTHING to show for it (I have to be fair, he was DONE his best year due injury). Just saying. QBs are graded out over their "big win" games... Which is why the Brady/Manning debate is heavily in favor of Brady (placing Brady, IMO as the best QB ever alongside Montana). The opinion of Manning is the best ever QB is destroyed because he has won about as many 'big games' in his career that you can count on your fingers, whilst Brady's 'big wins' you need more than fingers/toes to count.