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  • lakerboy
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 04-02-09
    • 94463

    #36
    Originally posted by MartinBlank
    The Saints have not given up fewer than 20 points in a game since November.

    And if you want to take it further------they have given up 20 or more points in 10 of their last 12 games.

    The Cards shredded the NFC's #2 scoring defense.

    Anyone really expecting the Saints to stop the Cards?
    Only if you believe that the packers had a good defense. I believe favre(2) and big ben ripped them apart as well. Also what makes you think that the saints wont rip the cards defense apart. Anyways good luck my friend. I cant argue about this anymore- the whole board is on Zona- i dont need anymore info.
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    • poochiecollins
      SBR MVP
      • 01-27-09
      • 1782

      #37
      Originally posted by ZBOIZ
      Saints the last two months has been very unhealthy. They were without there starting corners, Shockey, Bush, WR Lance Moore, also 2 starting linebackers. Everyone is healthy now and when they are fully healthy they are the best team in the NFL!
      This could be an explanation if they all got hurt around the same time. Was it? The Saints have been average to somewhat above average for a month and a half.
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      • PAULYPOKER
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 12-06-08
        • 36581

        #38
        Originally posted by 6_Feet_Under
        Agreed Lakerboy,only a sucker plays Arizona in this spot.Actually,I believe you're the one who made an assinine statement about the game being fixed on your post Pauly.
        Again I bring proof of your dumbness

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by lakerboy
        Bro i respect you alot because you post good insight but the cards are a public play on all sights that show public %- the line will hold stiff all week and the saints will pump them
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        • ZBOIZ
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 06-22-08
          • 21464

          #39
          Deal Martin!
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          • MartinBlank
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 07-20-08
            • 8382

            #40
            Originally posted by ZBOIZ
            Deal Martin!
            Z, do you have 300 points?

            Be honest!!!
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            • MartinBlank
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-20-08
              • 8382

              #41
              Z....I am only betting you if you put up the 300 points.....

              I am not getting burned. No offense man, but I have seen you asking for loans again lately.
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              • 6_Feet_Under
                SBR High Roller
                • 12-21-09
                • 105

                #42
                Okay Pauly,your thread doesn't say if the saints cover tomorrow that the game was fixed?Or did I read that wrong amidst your 5 paragraphs of nonsense?Covering your ass already with an excuse of a stupid play.You should wear a sign.Poochie,I know what they did "last" year.That has a bearing on what happens tomorrow?You guys are honestly backing a team that gave up 45 points at home last week?Haha.....................and I'm stupid???????????This is great.The more you guys talk,the more confident I feel.We'll see tomorrow,and good luck to you guys.
                sbr
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                • birdman779
                  Restricted User
                  • 09-08-09
                  • 593

                  #43
                  Originally posted by LT Profits
                  Saints haven't had a good offensive showing in a month, they may come out rusty. Arizona First Half could be good here, but the play I REALLY like is the Under for the game.
                  luv the under and the saits tom
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                  • Shafted69
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-04-08
                    • 6412

                    #44
                    Originally posted by MartinBlank
                    Z, do you have 300 points?

                    Be honest!!!
                    I'll bet you 73 points, since this will save me some juice.









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                    • ZBOIZ
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 06-22-08
                      • 21464

                      #45
                      Hell no I don't have it
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                      • PAULYPOKER
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 12-06-08
                        • 36581

                        #46
                        Originally posted by PAULYPOKER
                        Again I bring proof of your dumbness Quote: Originally Posted by lakerboy Bro i respect you alot because you post good insight but the cards are a public play on all sights that show public %- the line will hold stiff all week and the saints will pump them
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                        Bad news for the suckers falling into the trap of public hype: My latest info coming from a reliable source is 58% Cards 42% Aints I mean Saints and we all know when it gets to 55% its game on You see boys books want no part of the action in this one wake up!!!
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                        • Dark Horse
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-14-05
                          • 13764

                          #47
                          Originally posted by lakerboy
                          guys the saints are going to beat arizona so bad on saturday i feel sorry for anyone betting on the cards
                          Could be.

                          Then again, the Cards are 5-0 ATS in the playoffs in the past two seasons. They were dogs in every game and went 4-1 SU.
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                          • madmaxx
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-14-07
                            • 3289

                            #48
                            Wasn't Zona like +12 @ carolina last year in a similar spot?
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                            • warriorfan707
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 03-29-08
                              • 13698

                              #49
                              it wont make any cents

                              it doesnt make any sense either
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                              • Dark Horse
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-14-05
                                • 13764

                                #50
                                Originally posted by madmaxx
                                Wasn't Zona like +12 @ carolina last year in a similar spot?
                                Arizona has been consistently underestimated. What has gone largely unnoticed is that they focus on winning the turnover battle in the playoffs, especially early in the games. They now hold a 16-6 turnover edge in their playoff games (5-0 ATS).

                                The team has pretty much flown under the radar, but that can't last forever. Sooner or later people are going to take notice and the line will adjust. But, once again, that didn't happen here. The line is off, just as it was in other Zona playoff games (As a local, I've said so consistently here, dating back to last season).

                                Fortunately, for Zona backers, they have a tendency to give up large leads. This gives the naysayers the idea that they were right in fading the Cards, but they fail to see how battle-tested the team is. Much more battle-tested than the Saints... Remember how quickly they erased a large deficit in the Superbowl to take a 23-20 lead. These Cards have a lot of fight. And playoff experience on their side.

                                If they win the turnover battle, the Cards win. The name is all wrong though. 'Killer Bees' would be better. They've been swarming the opposing QB with insane aggression, and they will come out like that again.
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                                • patblue03
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 11-15-09
                                  • 124

                                  #51
                                  arizona is the pick here
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                                  • texashighroller
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 11-24-09
                                    • 205

                                    #52
                                    I dont get the cards will be tired argument. These are pro athletes, and as far as i know your body takes around 3 days to recoup. Could they be tired from almost a week ago?
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                                    • Pecos Bill
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 05-27-09
                                      • 1958

                                      #53
                                      i like N.O. and the under
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                                      • Wheell
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 01-11-07
                                        • 1380

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by WileOut
                                        6.5 teaser. NO down to ML and total up to 63.5 (get the 9 TD's with the hook).
                                        Bullshit, you are much too smart to play a negative EV teaser.
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                                        • warriorfan707
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 03-29-08
                                          • 13698

                                          #55
                                          You all ready for the truth?

                                          Here it is.

                                          Noone has any damned clue who will cover. Whoever turns the ball over a lot loses. Fumbles, interceptions, penalties, mistakes.

                                          And theres no way to anticipate those.

                                          Thats the truth. End of story.

                                          Txs for comin out.
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                                          • tbonmusikman
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 10-25-09
                                            • 706

                                            #56
                                            I don't understand how the Saints have been "average" for the past month and a half, however the same argument isn't made with the Colts. Now, I'm not saying the Colts are average at all, I'm here to offer that maybe the Saints just didn't care about lighting things up when it didn't matter. Now it does.

                                            That being said however, I wouldn't touch the spread in this game-no one really knows how these two teams are going to match up when they're both running on all cylinders. I would think the over's a definite possibility, but there are so many better spots than anything in this game.
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                                            • Nickelicious
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 05-21-09
                                              • 2647

                                              #57
                                              I agree with tbon, this is the one game of the four this weekend that I am laying off the ATS action. I like the under, though.
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                                              • Fed_42420
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 11-12-09
                                                • 976

                                                #58
                                                maybe cuz arizona gave up 45 POINTS last week!!!!!!!
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                                                • tonyhomo
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 01-10-10
                                                  • 749

                                                  #59
                                                  agree it doesnt make a lot of sense,
                                                  cards will win by 2 td's
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                                                  • SBR_John
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 07-12-05
                                                    • 16471

                                                    #60
                                                    Went back and forth all week. Had the cards last week as a home dog. But switching horses and going with the well rested, home fed and probably better prepared Saints here. Not sure what that Green Bay game took out of them but I think it is not insignificant. Saints -7 for me. Good luck all!
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                                                    • tonyhomo
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 01-10-10
                                                      • 749

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by madmaxx
                                                      Wasn't Zona like +12 @ carolina last year in a similar spot?
                                                      yes and we all know what happened back then.
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                                                      • MadRussian
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 12-21-08
                                                        • 334

                                                        #62
                                                        Everyone is betting Arizona about 65%. And yet the line hasn't moved....that should tell you something.
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                                                        • Nomocino
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 08-11-09
                                                          • 687

                                                          #63
                                                          Dont under estimate being Home in a Dome (with all that noise) I like all 4 home teams this weekend and most of all N O that place will be rocking the Cards will have alot of false starts and Warner will not be able to have the abilty to audible as easily as he did last week.also like the under

                                                          Saints 34
                                                          Cards 20
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                                                          • OverUnder
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-31-09
                                                            • 3126

                                                            #64
                                                            i like the saints here
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                                                            • LTCOL27
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 12-03-09
                                                              • 511

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by tonyhomo
                                                              yes and we all know what happened back then.
                                                              I am a Panthers fan, and that was the most painful Panthers game I have ever watched. We were 12-4 last season, undefeated at home, and had already won against Arizona during the regular season. Then, the Cardinals pressure brought Jake Interception Delhomme out in full force. Every time he tried to throw to Steve Smith, it was like there were 4 Cardinals covering him, and it was an automatic interception. He never shook off that game this season, which resulted in this year's terrible 0-3 start, and the Panthers scraping their way to an 8-8 season.

                                                              The Panthers struggled a little down the stretch last year losing to the Giants for the NFC #1 seed. The Saints have done the same this year, losing to the Cowboys, and the Bucs (and my Panthers, but that doesn't count since it was week 17 with everybody resting.) Last year, Arizona survived a battle against Atlanta in their first playoff game, and this year they survived the OT shoot out against GB last week of course. The situations are nearly identical, and now they go on the road against the NFC South division winner again.

                                                              For the last couple of years, Arizona seems to be in a pattern of playing mediocre, with a few flashes of dominance during the regular season, but just doing enough to win their weak division. Then, they flip a switch in the playoffs, and use this no respect, chip on their shoulder thing to motivate themselves.

                                                              I think that history will repeat itself, and like last year, in this similar situation, the Cardinals and the points is the play. The difference though is that this New Orleans team is much better than my Panthers were last year (especially at QB obviously) so I think that in the end the Saints will find a way to win, but the Cardinals cover.

                                                              Good luck.
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                                                              • dubv1987
                                                                SBR Rookie
                                                                • 12-20-09
                                                                • 48

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by MartinBlank
                                                                Z, how about a 300 point bet?

                                                                Give me the Cards plus the 7 for 300 points?

                                                                Deal?
                                                                I only have 103 points but I'll give you AZ +7 for 103 points.

                                                                Let me know.
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                                                                • Shafted69
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 07-04-08
                                                                  • 6412

                                                                  #67
                                                                  I'd like to wager 74 points if anyone wants AZ +7. I'll take NO -7. It will save us the juice points.











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                                                                  • big0mar
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 01-09-09
                                                                    • 3374

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Quick- how many times has Arizonas LT played in an environment like he will today?

                                                                    Az will have issues in pass protection. If you can't protect your passer againt a Greg Williams defense, you are in trouble.
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                                                                    • frostno98
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 09-11-07
                                                                      • 9769

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Saints win by two touchdowns
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                                                                      • poochiecollins
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 01-27-09
                                                                        • 1782

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by 6_Feet_Under
                                                                        Poochie,I know what they did "last" year.That has a bearing on what happens tomorrow?
                                                                        You said, "coming off the game last week where they totally emptied their tanks do you really think they're gonna be able to crank it up again this week..............having to travel,on a short week against a team that's superior to them?" They did exactly this last year, except I don't know about the short week. Do you have evidence this matters?

                                                                        You guys are honestly backing a team that gave up 45 points at home last week?
                                                                        ... and they scored 51.
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