Phi/Arz line moves to (-4), and counting!

chrisharvard01 · 01-13-09, 01:41 PM

LV Open: Phi -2.5
LV Current: Phi -3.5

BoDog: -4

The rest of the offshore books have -3.5 right now.

brooks85 · 01-13-09, 08:34 PM

i got on -3 early.

ChuteBoxe · 01-13-09, 08:49 PM

Pound the Eagles!!

bypp · 01-13-09, 08:57 PM

Nobody thinks Arizona will roll or at least keep it close?

brooks85 · 01-13-09, 09:47 PM

Well, anything can happen. But, imo based on what i've seen, there is no way the cardinals will roll and Eagles highly likely to win by 7 or more.

joeyp1222 · 01-13-09, 11:24 PM

I myself think zona wins and also wins the superbowl warners destiny

brooks85 · 01-14-09, 12:04 AM

But, are you willing to bet on Ariona, based on you thinking its Kurt's destiny?

bypp · 01-14-09, 02:51 PM

I just feel like everyone has been underestimating the Cardinals, myself included. I mean they came into the stadium of an undefeated (at home) Carolina team as 10 points dogs and kicked the living shit out of them....

brooks85 · 01-14-09, 07:14 PM

Well, my take on that game is ANY team in the nfl would have won that game if they get 6 TO's... 5 by the QB and a few which Jake was in amateur hour.

bypp · 01-14-09, 07:54 PM

I gotta disagree with that. Arizona was already kickin ass before alot of those TO's occurred, and I think that so many occurred simply because Carolina was forcing out big plays to try and play catch-up. Arizona dominated that team up and down.

clip51 · 01-14-09, 08:19 PM

arizona roll??? wow...
i think the eagles win and will probably win by 2 scores...
this eagles team will not come in over confident, like the panthers did...
as long as mcnabb doesn't make killer mistakes, take the birds...

bypp · 01-14-09, 08:45 PM

Sure, I think Philly could beat them up like they did on Thanksgiving....and Arizona did get beat up a few times no doubt about that. However, I just don't get why everyone thinks Philadelphia is such an amazing team. They beat a dysfunctional Dallas team, and overrated Minnesota team, and a Giants team that has been pisspoor ever since Burress shot himself. I'm not going to try and convince you one way or the other, and I don't feel insanely strong about the Cards, but I think everyone is remembering Arizona getting beat up during the season and forgetting about Philly's woes. Like the 13-13 tie with......Cincy!! A loss when they DESPERATELY needed a playoff win against Washington. Two pathetic teams that didn't even make playoffs. Not to mention the ass-kicking by Baltimore by something around 30 points.

I'm not saying Arizona is going to come in to this like the Carolina game and dominate, but I definitely don't think this game is so surely going to be a blowout by Philly. They've been in this spot quite a few times, and seem to always find a way to lose. But for the Cards, this is (one of, or the) first time the franchise has ever been in this spot. That's some motivation right there.

B1GER1C828 · 01-14-09, 10:22 PM

im taking ariz ml sunday morning cuz its gna b -5 if not better, so excited

brooks85 · 01-14-09, 11:54 PM

Arizona's D did not force those turn-overs. Jake made horrible reads that even admit'd too in his post game interview. Also, it is easy for a team to roll when you are handed the ball on turn-overs. Arizona only scored 10 points in the 1 half on their own drives. Rest were off turn-overs. Last time these teams played eagles won turn-over battle, eagles DL harrased Kurt all day and Westbrook/Donovan exploded.

Cardinals better hope westbrook is injured or not 100%.

JGILL50 · 01-15-09, 09:21 AM

I dont know i just feel that in week 13 zona traveled to the east coast to play philly on thanksgiving. zona pretty much had the division in hand already and were traveling on a short week to a completely opposite road inviroment to play a team amped up for a holiday home game to somewhat save there season. i see this game very diffrently. zona at home with a home field atomoshere that will rival if not outshine that of a holiday home game,. the temp will be perfect no wind home crowd i think zona gets the win SU. They were a good team that shined early and put it on coast after they clinched the division. Since the games have started to matter again we are seeing a diffrent zona team. just my opinion of course.
The eagles d has seen nothin like zona. they bet a lack luster vikings o fense along with a struggling and banged up giants unit

JGILL50 · 01-15-09, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by B1GER1C828

im taking ariz ml sunday morning cuz its gna b -5 if not better, so excited

THIS

brooks85 · 01-15-09, 10:44 AM

I gurantee Philly is more motivated. Think about it, like you said Arizona first time in playoffs in 26 years, first time ever in a Conf. Champ game. They haven't been here before. They got a home game infront of a sold out crowd against a team that beat them once. Arizona, like their fans, will be coming into this game excited. Pressure is on Arizona. Philly has been here before, multiple times and came up short all but once. If anyteam is more hungry, no question it is Phily.

xyzky · 01-15-09, 12:52 PM

I am rolling with the Over 47 and will wait to grab Zona at a good number, hopefully 7, but, more than likely at +6...

bypp · 01-15-09, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

I gurantee Philly is more motivated. Think about it, like you said Arizona first time in playoffs in 26 years, first time ever in a Conf. Champ game. They haven't been here before. They got a home game infront of a sold out crowd against a team that beat them once. Arizona, like their fans, will be coming into this game excited. Pressure is on Arizona. Philly has been here before, multiple times and came up short all but once. If anyteam is more hungry, no question it is Phily.

I don't think theres pressure on Arizona like there is on Philly. Philly has been here so many times and blown it, I'd have to believe the pressure is on them. Whether Arizona wins or loses, for them and their franchise, this will go down as one of their best seasons ever. So I think Arizona definitely has more motivation...for all the reasons you listed. And that if there is pressure, it's more on the favored Philly who seems to stumble everytime they reach an NFC championship game.

brooks85 · 01-15-09, 06:03 PM

I dont see how a team that has been here RECENTLY multiple times and lost will not have more motivation than a team that hasn't been here ever(therefore they will have pressure to come out and beat a team infront of a home crowd. A team that rolled on them last matchup.) And no matter how you want to slice it, Arizona road in the playoffs has been CAKE compared to PHI. But, really all that is just opinion, which hardly weighs in my bets. Bottomline is, based on numbers and playoff games so far, Arizona does not match up well against the Eagles.

bypp · 01-15-09, 07:19 PM

Yeah, we definitely just don't see eye to eye on the motivation factor. If Philly was going to be so motivated this time, why wouldn't they have been motivated enough the last few times (which of course was with the same people in RECENT NFC champ games). Regardless, I truly believe they are just the better team at this point in the season (or postseason if you will). Ask me 5 weeks ago and I say Arizona is overrated, although I wouldve had to say the same with Philly losing to Washington. It boils down to Arizona playing good as underdogs, and Philadelphia winning when theyre supposed to lose and losing when theyre supposed to win.

MTek · 01-15-09, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by bypp

Sure, I think Philly could beat them up like they did on Thanksgiving....and Arizona did get beat up a few times no doubt about that. However, I just don't get why everyone thinks Philadelphia is such an amazing team. They beat a dysfunctional Dallas team, and overrated Minnesota team, and a Giants team that has been pisspoor ever since Burress shot himself. I'm not going to try and convince you one way or the other, and I don't feel insanely strong about the Cards, but I think everyone is remembering Arizona getting beat up during the season and forgetting about Philly's woes. Like the 13-13 tie with......Cincy!! A loss when they DESPERATELY needed a playoff win against Washington. Two pathetic teams that didn't even make playoffs. Not to mention the ass-kicking by Baltimore by something around 30 points.

I'm not saying Arizona is going to come in to this like the Carolina game and dominate, but I definitely don't think this game is so surely going to be a blowout by Philly. They've been in this spot quite a few times, and seem to always find a way to lose. But for the Cards, this is (one of, or the) first time the franchise has ever been in this spot. That's some motivation right there.

And who has Arizona Rolled over? The Eagles come from the toughest Division, they beat the Giants TWICE at HOME

Eagles cover, bank on it

peetlui · 01-16-09, 12:02 AM

Seems as if everyone is already dismissing the Cards as just an afterthought, as if they shouldn't even play the game because they'll be wasting their time. Well imo I think the Eagles are in for a little surprise.

Plu$Money · 01-16-09, 12:44 AM

The cardinals will not be able to hang around with the eagles. No Way will they be able to force all those turn overs on philly like they did last week against carolina. The eagles are the better team and they will win the game by double digits..

PaperCha$er · 01-16-09, 02:16 AM

I think it'll be a lot closer than when they played on Thanksgiving. But I still don't see the Cards winning. I don't see Edge getting many yards on the ground, the only worry I have is Larry Fitzgerald going off. But if the Eagles pressure Warner and can force a few turnovers, I like them winning by 10.

Prediction:
Eagles 31
Cards 20

Dark Horse · 01-16-09, 02:41 AM

The problem for most people is that they have seen far more Eagles games than Cards games. I live in Arizona and I've seen what they can do all season. The surprise to me was what they did last week on the road. That was a first. Back on the home field, unless the Eagles match up exceptionally well, the following results set the tone. The Cards played two totally unmotivated games after clinching the division, one at home and one on the road, so I will toss those. Most recent first:

v ATL 30-24
v SEA 34-21
v STL 34-10
v NYG 29-37
v SF 29-24
v DAL 30-24 DAL among Superbowl faves at the time
v BUF 41-27 BUF flying high at the time
v MIA 31-20

Cards defense is very good at neutralizing the biggest threat. Where was the Panther's Steve Smith last week? Where was Michael Turner in the ATL game? Where was Marion Barber in the DAL game? And on offense the Cards already had an enormous amount of weapons. Now they've added balance by adding the running game.

Anything can happen in a game. But the wrong team is favored.

Plu$Money · 01-16-09, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

But the wrong team is favored.

The wrong team is definately not favored in this one... How can you explain the Eagles murdering them on thanksgiving and how hot they have been lately and then turning around and making the cards the favorite??? I don't get it?

Dark Horse · 01-16-09, 03:23 AM

You probably know a lot about the Eagles. But how much do you know about the Cards? This is a largely unknown team. People are just starting to pay serious attention to them.

You would do yourself a favor by throwing out the Thanksgiving game. The Cards sucked on the East coast all season. (Until the playoffs, which, as mentioned, was a big surprise to me). I think I have a pretty good feel for this team, and said the same thing in this thread about their Atlanta game. http://forum.sbrforum.com/nfl-handic...eo.html?slf=67 Arizona was the early 3 pt dog, but the line closed with them as faves. That won't happen this week, because the public has embraced the Eagles.

Arizona has too many highly effective players for a defense to contain. Not just Fitzgerald and Boldin. I mentioned Tim Hightower, who, at that time with 10 TD's (!), was nowhere mentioned in the previews. Hightower has had TD's in each of the last two games. They give the ball to him in the red zone and he'll run it in. Warner also throws it to Breaston a lot, and to Urban. Too many targets to contain. The recent addition of the running game has also improved their defense, because they get more time to rest. And I like what I've seen from the O-line.

The roof will be closed. This will increase the crowd noise to where the Eagles offense will absolutely not be able to hear itself. The Atlanta coach, after his team was eliminated, specifically called the Cardinals organization to tell them that the crowd noise had made a big difference and had intimidated his players.

As to the Eagles. I didn't see a dominant team against a very marginal Vikings team led by Tarvaris Jackson. Their two wins over the Eagles were impressive, but I don't see a whole lot more there than that they had the Giants number (without Plaxico). There was no credible deep threat. That makes it a lot easier for the defense. It was an ideal match-up situation. They did drop a must-win (!) game late in the season at Washington, so -at least to me- the Eagles are somewhat overrated. And the Cards are still underrated.

The Cardinals can self-destruct, however.

Cheme82 · 01-16-09, 03:57 AM

I'll probably wait and get as many points as I can on Arizona, will also put a little on the ML.

slacker00 · 01-16-09, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by bypp

I gotta disagree with that. Arizona was already kickin ass before alot of those TO's occurred, and I think that so many occurred simply because Carolina was forcing out big plays to try and play catch-up. Arizona dominated that team up and down.

Fumble occured at 7-7, which led to an easy TD.
Int occurred at 14-7, which led to a FG.
Int occurred at 20-7, etc.

All of these happened in the first half with more than 5 minutes left. Carolina wasn't playing catch up yet, or if they were it's against basic strategy, which I doubt they were doing. By no means was AZ kicking ass except by result of these turnovers.

Face it, Delhomme gave that game away.

Will McNabb do the same thing? It's rare to see a QB give a game away so completely, plus McNabb is playing in top form right now.

Plu$Money · 01-16-09, 12:44 PM

The cardinals were giving a play off spot by default. They played in the worst division in football and managed to only get 9 wins while the eagles played in the toughest and came out with the same amount.. The Eagles were lucky just to make the playoffs and now that they are in they are the hottest team right now. Carolina gave the last game away and there is now way the eagles will turn the ball over that many times. This line at -3 is a gift and theres is no doubt in my mind that the eagles cover

bypp · 01-16-09, 12:48 PM

They we're dominating the game. If anything you have to at least give credit to the Arizona defense for the turnovers. Spin it whatever way you want, Carolina was undefeated at home and Delhomme had one of the best QB ratings in the postseason. I'm not going to continue to defend the Cards, it's not like I see it as the bet of the decade, but I just think that everyone is dismissing the Cardinals too quickly while overlooking the constant struggles of the Eagles.

bypp · 01-16-09, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Plu$Money

The cardinals were giving a play off spot by default. They played in the worst division in football and managed to only get 9 wins while the eagles played in the toughest and came out with the same amount.. The Eagles were lucky just to make the playoffs and now that they are in they are the hottest team right now. Carolina gave the last game away and there is now way the eagles will turn the ball over that many times. This line at -3 is a gift and theres is no doubt in my mind that the eagles cover

Says the guy with the Philadelphia avatar and location. Just as I sit here 45 min from Pittsburgh and tell you the Steelers are going to kick Baltimore's ass.

Plu$Money · 01-16-09, 12:59 PM

thats a completely different game that could easily go either way.. all i'm saying is that the eagles at a -3 spread against the cards seem like the best bet to me this weekend.