big east hoops, who else thinks they're overrated?

bruceBRUCEbruce · 03-15-10, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

time to find out what the Big East is made of this year.

would not shock me if 2 or even 3 BE teams made the final four, either.
we'll see...

Chi_archie · 03-15-10, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by bruceBRUCEbruce

would not shock me if 2 or even 3 BE teams made the final four, either.
we'll see...

I don't see a repeat of last year, but yeah that's why it is "madness"

hoopster42 · 03-15-10, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

I don't see a repeat of last year, but yeah that's why it is "madness"

i may have sold the big east a bit short. imho, the bracket sets up nicely for w. va and villanova to make a run to the final 4. i believe cuse will lose before the final 4. g'town is in a monster bracket w/kansas and ohio st

Chi_archie · 03-17-10, 06:25 AM

Big East got off to a very very very bad showing yesterday

LT Profits · 03-17-10, 07:10 AM

My opinion hasn't changed, with a "fair" bracket, Syracuse would still be the only Big East team to reach the Elite Eight. However, due to matchups and Syracuse being inexplicably seeded fourth in the country, I have West Virginia reaching the National Championship Game, and thus two Big East teams in Final Four.

I have Notre Dame losing in first round (Old Dominion), Georgetown (San Diego State) and Louisville (Duke) losing in second round and Villanova (Bayor) and Pittsburgh (Kansas State) losing in third round.

Chi_archie · 03-17-10, 08:36 AM

PIttsburgh loses in the 2nd round LT.... they might even be an underdog in that game...

where would you have seeded/ranked the Orange?

talnted · 03-17-10, 09:43 AM

I would say the big east is much more balanced this year

hoopster42 · 03-17-10, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

My opinion hasn't changed, with a "fair" bracket, Syracuse would still be the only Big East team to reach the Elite Eight. However, due to matchups and Syracuse being inexplicably seeded fourth in the country, I have West Virginia reaching the National Championship Game, and thus two Big East teams in Final Four.

I have Notre Dame losing in first round (Old Dominion), Georgetown (San Diego State) and Louisville (Duke) losing in second round and Villanova (Bayor) and Pittsburgh (Kansas State) losing in third round.

kansas, kentucky, and duke, each finished the yr winning their conf tourneys, while the cuse lost their last 2 gms (@ l'ville & vs. g'town in the big east tourney) not to mention their big man got hurt. the ncaa tourney committee has ALWAYS MAINTAINED that they take injuries into account. remember about 12 yrs ago when cincinnati was the #1 team in the country and lost kenyon martin? they almost lost the #1 seed too but ended up the 4th #1. same thing w/syracuse this yr.

LT, you are a strong sports analyst, but once in a while a guy comes along who is your match, and can teach you a few things, too........that "guy" is ME

HenPrivilege · 03-17-10, 12:30 PM

Alot of NBA talent in the Big East.

May seem overrated because it seemed like damn near every Big East game has been televised on ESPN.

hoopster42 · 03-17-10, 12:43 PM

in college foots, the SEC has down-yrs once in a while and in college hoops, the BIG EAST does as well, that's all i'm saying

last y's Big East was much better than this yr's Big East. also, ck out the conf RPI rankings this yr: BIG-12 was number 1. i didn't even see that when i made this thread, though

LT Profits · 03-17-10, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

PIttsburgh loses in the 2nd round LT.... they might even be an underdog in that game...

where would you have seeded/ranked the Orange?

Third, ahead of Duke. Would have set up Kansas/Cuse final.

I actually think Syracuse is second best team in the country, but I understand that they could not be seeded ahead of Kentucky.

Chi_archie · 03-17-10, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

in college foots, the SEC has down-yrs once in a while and in college hoops, the BIG EAST does as well, that's all i'm saying

last y's Big East was much better than this yr's Big East. also, ck out the conf RPI rankings this yr: BIG-12 was number 1. i didn't even see that when i made this thread, though

last year's big east was also one of the greatest conference showings of all time in ncaa hoops..... so there really wasn't a need for this thread title, if that was all you were saying....

that's like me starting a thread saying, Ken Griffey Jr. is over-rated..... because he isn't as good as his 97 season or somthing

Ch3fDan · 03-17-10, 02:56 PM

As a big 10 homer I would kill to have the competition the big east does. It's ludicrous to say the big east is "bad" when they have 3 teams in the top 10.... It may not be as strong as it was last year, but then again is any conference as good as it was last year? As far as I'm concerned the level of talent in division 1 basketball is down from what it was last year.

GGPLAYER · 03-17-10, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

My opinion hasn't changed, with a "fair" bracket, Syracuse would still be the only Big East team to reach the Elite Eight. However, due to matchups and Syracuse being inexplicably seeded fourth in the country, I have West Virginia reaching the National Championship Game, and thus two Big East teams in Final Four.

I have Notre Dame losing in first round (Old Dominion), Georgetown (San Diego State) and Louisville (Duke) losing in second round and Villanova (Bayor) and Pittsburgh (Kansas State) losing in third round.

GTown losing to SDST? When does Marquette lose? Why is everyone picking ND to lose to Old Dom? ND just had a run where they won 6 in a row over teams like GTown, Pitt(twice) and Marquette. Then they lost by only 2 points to WVU. Granted OD beat Gtown early in the season(Dec) but outside of that did win against one team in the RPI top 50. Loses include N. Iowa, Richmond, Mizz, Miss St, Dayton. I've just seen a lot of people say ND is one and done and I don't get it.

hoopster42 · 03-17-10, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

last year's big east was also one of the greatest conference showings of all time in ncaa hoops..... so there really wasn't a need for this thread title, if that was all you were saying....

that's like me starting a thread saying, Ken Griffey Jr. is over-rated..... because he isn't as good as his 97 season or somthing

not the same thing as saying griffey is overrated because of a great season 13 yrs ago.

maybe i should've title the thread: "big east is being highly overrated because of last yr's tremendous showing. this yr they are NOWHERE near as good as last yr"

Chi_archie · 03-17-10, 07:19 PM

yeah, maybe the problem is the lack of an operational definition of "over-rating"..... who is doing this over-rating, how do we measure that...

I'd submit that most people, experts, pundits, coaches ect thought they Big East would not do anywhere near as well as they have. Its been a strange year for the big east, teams that were expected to suck....were good and some teams that were thought would have great seasons have just sucked

Chi_archie · 03-18-10, 12:56 PM

not looking good at all today

TPowell · 03-18-10, 12:58 PM

why not? ND is up

hoopster42 · 03-18-10, 01:52 PM

horrible showings in the NIT............ND ko'ed by 11 seed Old Dominion............and 15 seed with 11 total losses Robert Morris takes Nova to OT

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED

hoopster42 · 03-18-10, 08:06 PM

hoopster42 · 03-18-10, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

I think that Syracuse is a legitimate Final Four threat, but other than that, I agree that Big East is overrated this year.

Also, I do not think Big East is the best conference in the country, I think the Big 12 is.

prophetic words from a prophetic man!

hoopster42 · 03-18-10, 09:07 PM

bye bye ND, bye bey georgetown, bye bye marquette, and villanova needed OT to beat 15-seed robert morris

how ya doin?

twentyonekid · 03-18-10, 09:26 PM

big east totally overrated,now 1-3 in the tournament and should be 0-4 in all reality

blueghost · 03-18-10, 09:49 PM

what are they now1-3 maybe more to come[losses that is]

tealish · 03-18-10, 09:55 PM

I haven't read the thread yet, but I'm guessing the "Big (L)east" pun has been made at least 3 times? -250

whatsgood5 · 03-18-10, 09:58 PM

Def think they're over-rated now, didn't think so this morning though.

THEGREAT30 · 03-19-10, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by THEGREAT30

badly overrated along with Big Ten, good day

Sticking to the thought I had months ago, add the ACC in there as a joke also

hoopster42 · 03-19-10, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by THEGREAT30

Sticking to the thought I had months ago, add the ACC in there as a joke also

at least the ACC pushed wake forest through, still have duke, clemson, maryland, yet to play, va tech couldve and shouldve been in this field along w/miss state out of the sec

and i think the big 10 teams w/ohio st, mich st, wisky and minnesota will make a very good showing, just give it a few days before burying them lol

stealthyburrito · 03-19-10, 01:45 AM

well it looks like they are pretty overrated, being tested by a vast array of mid majors

Chi_archie · 03-19-10, 06:15 AM

Big East is pathetic this post-season, especially when you throw in the NIT results

WileOut · 03-19-10, 06:22 AM

Big East is not overrated, them doing badly is called variance. Its why the Patriots lost to the Giants. Its why favorites lose to underdogs. VARIANCE.

LT Profits · 03-19-10, 12:05 PM

Well, I was right about the rest of the Big East, let's hope I'm right about Syracuse and West Virginia too.

jmush · 03-19-10, 12:10 PM

big east teams beat each other up all year and then again in the big east tourney....long season in that conference teams are just worn out at the end of the year

hoopster42 · 03-19-10, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by jmush

big east teams beat each other up all year and then again in the big east tourney....long season in that conference teams are just worn out at the end of the year

then how come 2 big east teams made the final 4 last yr and 1 big east team made the elite 8?

in other words: you're wrong. THIS yr, the big east is just down. simple as that.

msec512 · 03-19-10, 12:42 PM

Big East is a strong conference. Don't judge on Villanova and Georgetown shitting in bed yesterday. WV, Pitt and Syracuse all will roll today