NCAA "field" +2500

gonnakillit · 02-20-10, 10:33 AM

you're seeing +2500 for all seeds 3 and higher? I think you're reading that wrong.....that's not possible

KingKolzig · 02-20-10, 10:43 AM

no certainly not. im saying Vandy, Temple and New Mexico are projected 3 seeds. And they are included in the "field"......each by themselves would be like +2000, so to get all of them plus those other ranked teams included under one "field" is a great value.

gonnakillit · 02-20-10, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by KingKolzig

no certainly not. im saying Vandy, Temple and New Mexico are projected 3 seeds. And they are included in the "field"......each by themselves would be like +2000, so to get all of them plus those other ranked teams included under one "field" is a great value.

Thats what I'm saying......you get every team in the field besides the 1st and 2nd seeds at +2500 to win the tourney???? That can't be right

KingKolzig · 02-20-10, 10:52 AM

"field" means any other team besides the ones listed such as kansas, syracuse, wichita state or whomever have individual odds (59 have individual odds, half of them wont even make the tournament).......for some reason, maybe cause they werent projected to do so well, teams like new mexico, vandy ect fall into the field. meaning they dont have specific odds listed for them..........it is a confusing term, many books use "any other team" instead of "field"........but these solid teams are included in the field:

Field includes:
New Mexico (#12)
Vanderbilt (#17)
Temple (#21)
Butler (#18)
Northern Iowa (RPI #15)
UNLV
Saint Marys
Richmond (#25

ebbearsfb1 · 02-20-10, 10:53 AM

but do you really thinkg any of them can beat kanasas, uk, syracuse or nova?

KingKolzig · 02-20-10, 10:58 AM

thats what im saying. 3 of them, new mexico, vandy and temple are projected 3 seeds.......any 3 seed isnt going to be a huge underdog playing a 1 or 2 seed..........the reason this is such value is the list was made preseason and these teams have had much better seasons then originally projected. I think one or two of these teams could end up being in the final 4. at +2500 for all of them its a good bet......

Otters27 · 02-20-10, 11:05 AM

I could see Vandy or New Mexico making it to elite 8 but that is it.

KingKolzig · 02-20-10, 11:08 AM

and then in the elite 8 they might be what say 5 pt underdogs to a better team, or maybe 8 pt underdogs to a #1 seed..........its not +500 its plus +2500, its worth it

bruceBRUCEbruce · 02-20-10, 11:45 AM

should be +25000
awful value, sucker bet.

KingKolzig · 02-20-10, 11:50 AM

right. sucker bet. 6 ranked teams under one line, sucker bet. thats why its falling like a rock and is now +1800, dik

tailin junkie · 02-20-10, 01:03 PM

no chance one of them wins the title...just sayin

whatsgood5 · 02-20-10, 01:10 PM

I like the odds here, but still don't see it happening, GL though

KingKolzig · 02-20-10, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by tailin junkie

no chance one of them wins the title...just sayin

yes but if you can get one of them into the final 4 or better yet the final then you can hedge your bets.................one of them can easily get hot and make the final 4

KingKolzig · 02-20-10, 02:05 PM

6 ranked teams, they all have a chance to win a few games, if not make the final 4. its a single elimination tourny

KingKolzig · 03-01-10, 01:34 AM

updated field rankings/standings:

#10 New Mexico (27-3)
#15 Butler (26-4)
#16 Vanderbilt (22-6)
#20 Temple (24-5)
#22 Richmond (22-7)
#24 UTEP (22-5)
#25 N.Iowa (25-4)

The combination of Robbie Hummel tearing his acl and these teams all going on winning streaks has pushed this line WAY down to +450. Yall missed the boat on this one. sucker bet huh bruce

playersonly69 · 03-01-10, 01:47 AM

Not much chance at all

KingKolzig · 03-01-10, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by playersonly69

Not much chance at all

its called hedging your bets. at +2500 it was a steal if one of those teams (plus a few solid other teams) sneaks into the final four. many of those teams will be frigin 3 and 4 seeds, not much chance a 3 or 4 seed makes a run

. right

Regul8er · 03-01-10, 12:37 PM

I think there is tremendous value here KingKolzig. Not saying I'll be making the wager, but its certainly worth a shot getting a slew of teams. Good value at +2500, just like Canada was at +228 after losing to the Americans.

1UP · 03-01-10, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by bruceBRUCEbruce

should be +25000 awful value

Completely agree. No real value in my eyes unless you're the book sweeping up the money. The Final 4 will be all Big East/Big 12 and Duke if they're lucky.

tbone40143 · 03-01-10, 02:12 PM

Go vandy!!!!!!!!!

stealthyburrito · 03-01-10, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Regul8er

I think there is tremendous value here KingKolzig. Not saying I'll be making the wager, but its certainly worth a shot getting a slew of teams. Good value at +2500, just like Canada was at +228 after losing to the Americans.

Wait what? Canada was +228 at the start of single elim.??? I Would've been all over that

THEGREAT30 · 03-01-10, 02:29 PM

This will be wild tourney, good day

Regul8er · 03-01-10, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by stealthyburrito

Wait what? Canada was +228 at the start of single elim.??? I Would've been all over that

Yes Sir, we had a big debate about it in the Hockey Forum. +228 was the best value play I'd seen all year. Too bad I didnt have any money to actually bet it

KingKolzig · 03-01-10, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by stealthyburrito

Wait what? Canada was +228 at the start of single elim.??? I Would've been all over that

yep. and -260 that they dont win the gold lol. who would bet that on the home team that is by far the deepest lol

KingKolzig · 03-01-10, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by 1UP

Completely agree. No real value in my eyes unless you're the book sweeping up the money. The Final 4 will be all Big East/Big 12 and Duke if they're lucky.

u must lose so much money my friend......there are single teams not even ranked that will go into the tournament with worse odds. this is 6 or 7 ranked teams. do you comprehend that............wither way you and g@y bruce are very dumb. you must not have read the entire thread, its down to +450 right now becuase PEOPLE ARE ALL OVER IT

1UP · 03-01-10, 06:28 PM

Because the public is always right. Please stop. It's a big difference in losing money and WASTING money. You're betting the equivalent of a +250 ML straight up and a 12 team parlay. What do you think is more likely to win? Not guaranteed, likely? Why not bet a bubble team that probably won't even make it, like Dayton? You'll get the losing ticket quicker. I'm looking at the teams on that list and see a bunch of teams that are horrible on the road. On neutral courts. And you think I'm not being logical for saving my money for something better?

Good luck?

KingKolzig · 03-01-10, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by 1UP

Because the public is always right. Please stop. It's a big difference in losing money and WASTING money. You're betting the equivalent of a +250 ML straight up and a 12 team parlay. What do you think is more likely to win? Not guaranteed, likely? Why not bet a bubble team that probably won't even make it, like Dayton? You'll get the losing ticket quicker. I'm looking at the teams on that list and see a bunch of teams that are horrible on the road. On neutral courts. And you think I'm not being logical for saving my money for something better?

Good luck?

its very simple. 8-10 tournament teams will be included in this one line. 6 of them ranked. 6 ranked teams. futures mostly are a bad value. but the average for one ranked team is about +1500. SO 6 for +2500. Only a fool would say that isnt a good investment. a fool who doesnt understand the concept of hedging. if 1,2 or 3 of them make a run you then bet against them. you dont NEED them to win it all........and about the public driving this line waaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. its cause it had incredible value at +2500, and everyone jumped on it. smart ppl, who understand that the NCAA tourny is wild and unpredictable and that any one of these ranked teams can end up in the final 4...........you are an idiot if you dont understand how high these teams will be seeded

KingKolzig · 03-01-10, 07:20 PM

$40 investment to win $1000. If anyone of these teams goes to the final four you have a golden opportunity to hedge. And thats why this opportunity is gone

2daBank · 03-01-10, 07:25 PM

hell all you need is 1 to get past the sweet 16 to make money not sure how anyone thinks that is a bad deal few of those teams could be in sweet 16 easy so 1 could easily get past it..id guess new mexico if they could make some free throws

2daBank · 03-01-10, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by KingKolzig

$40 investment to win $1000. If anyone of these teams goes to the final four you have a golden opportunity to hedge. And thats why this opportunity is gone

id hedge in the elite 8

KingKolzig · 03-01-10, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

id hedge in the elite 8

Yep in the 2008 NCAA tournament this is what the sweet sixteen looked like:
#1 seed (4 total)
#2 seed (2 total)
#3 seed (4 total)
#4 seed (1 total)
#5 seed (1 total)
#7 seed (1 total)
#10 seed (1 total)
#12 seed (2 total)

two of this years teams (NM, Temple) are projected 3 seeds. Butler is a projected 4 seed and Vandy is a frigin projected 2 seed. I just checked thegreek and they have actually taken this bet down. Im sure they will still honor whomever already wagered on it. But they now only have listings for individual teams. The books leaving out a line like this so late into the season was a bad idea. They must have been hit pretty hard cause at my book the line shrunk quickly. Those 4 teams i just listed alone made +2500 a gem, nevermind any RANKED darkhorses in a tournament with no clear superpower team like UNC of last year was..........1up you must be a true schmuck

1UP · 03-01-10, 10:32 PM

The self proclaimed sharps are always as square as the next man. And this one swears lowering his odds and payout from an original bet by betting more money against it is sheer brilliance.

Ignorance is bliss. Stop worrying about me. Worry about your hedging strategy. I hope that plan involves just breaking even. Maybe $50/60 more will get you back to square one and you can lay a new future bet on the Nets to win the Eastern Conference.

2daBank · 03-01-10, 10:38 PM

your way off here 1up.....he put 40 bucks on it to win a grand so if he gets a team to the elite 8 he can throw id suggest 150 or so against them they win that game he still loooking at 850 in the final four then depends who they play and how he feels about the game but i would probably pound the other side in this spot at least half unless i felt like they could win at that point then less....i just dont see how you think this is a bad bet...wish i would have got on it, i woulld have layed more like 120 to 3000 or something around those lines but really doesnt make sense that you bashing him for this play imo it is a plus proposition

KingKolzig · 03-01-10, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by 1UP

The self proclaimed sharps are always as square as the next man. And this one swears lowering his odds and payout from an original bet by betting more money against it is sheer brilliance.

Ignorance is bliss. Stop worrying about me. Worry about your hedging strategy. I hope that plan involves just breaking even. Maybe $50/60 more will get you back to square one and you can lay a new future bet on the Nets to win the Eastern Conference.

im not going to argue with you, you are in a very small minority. the line went from +2500 when i posted this to +450. That line shift speaks for itself, people got in this and hit it very hard. The books either shrunk this line to +450 or took it down all together because of the tremendous activity on it and because they realize any ranked team can make a deep run. Nevermind 7 ranked teams.............and taking long odds and then hedging isnt some new idea I made up. you are making yourself look stupid. im done with you, i feel stupid now just being on the same website as you.........you have no argument, the line is 1/5th of what it was. that is a clear indication of the outright gem that is was when i posted this. so stfu