The conspiracy theorist in me wonders about this Knicks/Lin situation

[wrongturn]

Who are those guys making plays that cause Lin to turn over so much? Do they not get the memo?

[No coincidences]

On one hand you say that there's not a conspiracy, but on the other hand you are saying that you are skeptical of how Lin is performing this well.

It sounds like you want to scream conspiracy without actually saying it because you know there is no humanly way possible that the league could "fix" it for one guy to play as well as he has.

Could Lin be on steroids or something? Sure. Properly used, steroids could help a basketball player recover from the rigors of playing 45 minutes day in and day out. If you claimed that the league was secretly allowing Lin to take steroids in order to improve his performance, then perhaps that is plausible.

However, the problem with that hypothesis is that the guy still needs to put the ball in the hoop and no amount of steroids or any other drug will help him do that. Such a skill is just natural and you either have it -- with the aid of practice over time and development -- or you don't. I'm not a huge Lin guy, but I think people can easily argue that Lin has always had the skill and just needed the time to develop.

If you look into the history of Lin you will find a guy who has been a consistent "late bloomer" his entire life. The guy was a 143 pounds as senior in high school. Even though he had D1 basketball skills, he was not getting any big time offers because he was so small. Size is something you can add to the equation (through natural or unnatural methods), as long as you have the god-given gifts to put the ball in the hoop, dribble well, etc.

You act like he was not hitting 3 pointers with Nowitzki right in his face. The Mavs were playing the guy tough and he still had a great game. Sometimes guys just get on a roll and you can't explain it. Bottom line is its more plausible to think this is just the right guy, in the right place, at the right time, after developing and practicing long enough, than the result of some super conspiracy between the NBA, David Stern, Jeremy Lin, 32 NBA teams, all the players, GM's, coaches, the nation of China, and whoever else people think can be a part of all this.

I'm not so much a purist as a realist. If you can explain to me how they are pulling off this fix, I'm all ears. However, whenever I ask people to explain how games are fixed or provide any proof, they never respond with answers. For the most part, people like to make accusations without any proof. That's what I find silly. I don't mind accusations if you have something to back it up. In this case, it's just fantasy land stuff.

Because it has to either be 110% legit or a full-blown league wide conspiracy with everyone involved? No chance of an in-between somewhere?

[Redscot]

Because it has to either be 110% legit or a full-blown league wide conspiracy with everyone involved? No chance of an in-between somewhere?

OK, let's walk down this road for a minute. Stern gets the message to Coach Carlisle how exactly? Can't be written,or there would be evidence. So he sands an NBA higher up to Carlisle before the game saying "Big Guy want's you to go easy on the Lin kid today". At which point Carlisle, a hard nosed, scratch and claw type competitor his whole life, goes into the locker room and lets his guys know..." The last thing we are worried about is Lin today boys. We're gonna let him get his numbers and make sure we shut down the Landry Fields and Jared Jeffries of the world." Even if that DID happen , the team obviously ignored him because they were trapping Lin's ass the whole game and trying to force the ball OUT of his hands. It's the perfect storm for the kid right now, right system, right time in his development and he is hot...nothing more imo.

[Love The Action]

Because it has to either be 110% legit or a full-blown league wide conspiracy with everyone involved? No chance of an in-between somewhere?

Like what? As I said above, I'm all ears. Please provide me with a plausible explanation of how this is all make-believe?

If you are saying it's not a conspiracy but also isn't all Lin, then what is it?

[paco]

I don't know why u guys even bother anymore. U can't make people like noCoin change there mind or thought process when it comes down to this stuff. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen? There is a 1st time for everything. Even 1 of the greatest players of all time Magic is giving Lin his respect yet Sbr members don't think he's this good.

Sbr- where amazing thoughts come together

[showtiime]

Like what? As I said above, I'm all ears. Please provide me with a plausible explanation of how this is all make-believe?

If you are saying it's not a conspiracy but also isn't all Lin, then what is it?

Patiently waiting.

[Anderson6129]

Why Lin and Tebow are being compared is beyond me. Tebow is nowhere near Lin in skill. Tebow flat out sucks and should not be a starter in the NFL, seriously.

[No coincidences]

I don't know why u guys even bother anymore. U can't make people like noCoin change there mind or thought process when it comes down to this stuff. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen? There is a 1st time for everything. Even 1 of the greatest players of all time Magic is giving Lin his respect yet Sbr members don't think he's this good.

Sbr- where amazing thoughts come together

Again, what in the hell do you think Magic is going to say publicly? He's paid by ESPN. Do you believe everything you hear/read?

[No coincidences]

Like what? As I said above, I'm all ears. Please provide me with a plausible explanation of how this is all make-believe?

If you are saying it's not a conspiracy but also isn't all Lin, then what is it?

I never said it was "all make believe." I said it's hard to believe this guy can come out of nowhere and put up unprecedented numbers in prime-time slots against the best the NBA has to offer. Whether it's a combination of the officials calling a different kind of game, Lin on some performance-enhancing substance that improves his strength/stamina, opposing coaches somehow not figuring out a basic way to slow him down like forcing him to his left, the kid being on a hot streak or a little of everything, I'm sorry if I can't take this at face value. That's just my nature.

Paco says there's a first time for everything. I agree. Like when Wilt or Magic or Bill Russell or Shaq came around. These guys were genetic freaks and so far advanced physically that teams had no answers. If you want to throw Lin in that category, be my guest.

I never said he wasn't good paco -- there's a difference between being good and putting up 30-40 points with 10 assists against the best teams in the NBA at the start of his career as a regular. You know that. It's just not this easy.

[paco]

Ok NoCoin, I give up.

Rick Carlisle had a team meeting and told his whole team to let Lin do whatever he wants. Dirk and Kidd and everyone said "yes sir!"

All 7 teams that Lin played against, all those coaches got together had the same meeting. These pro's making millions just said "yes sir!" no prob coach, we will throw away these games just to make someone look good.

Actually the whole league was bought into 1 big conference room and was told the Lin is actually an alien and for everyone to keep there mouths shut.

Does that tin foil hat come in 1 size fits all?

[No coincidences]

Ok NoCoin, I give up.

Rick Carlisle had a team meeting and told his whole team to let Lin do whatever he wants. Dirk and Kidd and everyone said "yes sir!"

All 7 teams that Lin played against, all those coaches got together had the same meeting. These pro's making millions just said "yes sir!" no prob coach, we will throw away these games just to make someone look good.

Actually the whole league was bought into 1 big conference room and was told the Lin is actually an alien and for everyone to keep there mouths shut.

Does that tin foil hat come in 1 size fits all?

Exaggerating and hyperbolizing only makes it impossible to discuss whether or not this hot streak is truly legitimate. Why are you even wasting your time in the thread if you're just going to be like this?

Something tells me we're all going to look back a few months from now and laugh at how great some of you thought Lin was. He's a serviceable NBA player on an unreal run. That's it.

Let me ask you this paco: do you honestly think Magic believes everything he says publicly about Lin?

[SaMSoLeeT]

i dont know why people are talking mostly about his turnovers, he plays atleast 3-4 quarters each night, you dont think he gets tired and on top of that hes winning games. 8-1 so far since he came in.

[kts]

[Pauulzcappin]

Knicks backers/fans/bandwagoners were ripping me apart when I was saying that I don't think the kid is this good. Don't think it's a conspiracy, though.

Playing out of his mind on a system that favors the PG with a little help from the refs. Nothing envolving the others teams.

That's all, IMO.

[lunchbawks]

The refs have been giving Lin star treatment, paco can't deny this..it feels like he has been in the league for 2 weeks.

I want to see Donaghy's next video, im sure it will include LIN!

[Dexter]

I can't wait to see how this whole thing goes down when pouty Carmelo comes back and isn't allowed to get his 25 shots per game. That's going to be rich.

Carmelo is apparently the one who pushed D'Antoni to insert Lin into the starting lineup, and he's always sitting next to him on the bench. Going to be interesting to see how it all unfolds. Especially who has the ball in their hands at crunch time.

[Dexter]

Knicks backers/fans/bandwagoners were ripping me apart when I was saying that I don't think the kid is this good. Don't think it's a conspiracy, though.

Playing out of his mind on a system that favors the PG with a little help from the refs. Nothing envolving the others teams.

That's all, IMO.

great point - didnt really think much about that.

[Dexter]

How about Rondo man? He was an unknown player before, were his 10+ assists rigged also? No. These players are with the right place at the right time.

lol...keep smoking that J!!!!

[demens]

Not sure which broadcast you guys are watching of the Nets vs Knicks game (if any), the Nets have one of the better commentator teams in the NBA, and one of the guys, Jim Spinarkle just brought up another interesting reason for Lins success.

Part of what we spoke about earlier as to why coaches have not come up with defensive schemes for Lin to take advantage of his weaknesses, after all the scouting report have plenty of them. He said that had this been a normal 82 game season things might be different. As things are teams are playing b2bs on a regular bases in case of the Nets and this game, but overall there just isn't too much time to practice. And its one thing to read the scouting report, make a game plan and tell your players what to do and actually practice in game situations and have a walk through on how to defend a guy.

[No coincidences]

Not sure which broadcast you guys are watching of the Nets vs Knicks game (if any), the Nets have one of the better commentator teams in the NBA, and one of the guys, Jim Spinarkle just brought up another interesting reason for Lins success.

Part of what we spoke about earlier as to why coaches have not come up with defensive schemes for Lin to take advantage of his weaknesses, after all the scouting report have plenty of them. He said that had this been a normal 82 game season things might be different. As things are teams are playing b2bs on a regular bases in case of the Nets and this game, but overall there just isn't too much time to practice. And its one thing to read the scouting report, make a game plan and tell your players what to do and actually practice in game situations and have a walk through on how to defend a guy.

Yeah, that's a good point.

[demens]

Spinarkle all over the idea of sending Lin left/

[No coincidences]

Spinarkle all over the idea of sending Lin left/

[demens]

Spinarkle offering up some more gems. According to him, as good as Lin is attacking off the picknroll he might be equally bad defending him. Dwill losing him easily off picks and so is pretty much anyone the Knicks switch Lin on.

I'm telling you guys, its a great story, magical and all, love these kinds of things in sports, but this story has an expiration date.

[jsmithj88]

Spinarkle offering up some more gems. According to him, as good as Lin is attacking off the picknroll he might be equally bad defending him. Dwill losing him easily off picks and so is pretty much anyone the Knicks switch Lin on. I'm telling you guys, its a great story, magical and all, love these kinds of things in sports, but this story has an expiration date.

because they are getting smoked by the nets@ home its all over for lin ?

[demens]

I gotta say, Nets came with the best game plan for Lin yet. Lots of motivating factors for NJ this game and they won it which is all that matters. But despite really forcing Lin into some bad spots, at the end of the day Lin actually had a decent game.

Kid has weaknesses, but what player doesn't. I think i'm gonna take back what i said about him before. He is hype, but he is also good, he is staying in this league for a while.

[No coincidences]

I gotta say, Nets came with the best game plan for Lin yet. Lots of motivating factors for NJ this game and they won it which is all that matters. But despite really forcing Lin into some bad spots, at the end of the day Lin actually had a decent game.

Kid has weaknesses, but what player doesn't. I think i'm gonna take back what i said about him before. He is hype, but he is also good, he is staying in this league for a while.

He's good, but it'll be interesting to see what happens to this team when he's not 30 and 10 good and with Carmelo back in the mix.

D'Antoni's going to have his work cut out for him, and let's be honest, that's not a good situation to be in. Plus, it's not like this team can lean on its defense if the offense isn't functioning correctly.

[demens]

He's good, but it'll be interesting to see what happens to this team when he's not 30 and 10 good and with Carmelo back in the mix.

D'Antoni's going to have his work cut out for him, and let's be honest, that's not a good situation to be in. Plus, it's not like this team can lean on its defense if the offense isn't functioning correctly.

I actually think they will be OK. Not titles ok, but to be fair they got 2 bad ass teams in their way.

Chandler has made an impact on Knicks D, it can be swarming at times and they do have a few pure defensive guys like Shumpert, Fields and Jeffries to throw in the mix and dont forget DAntoni is not running that defense, Mike Woodson is.

As for Lin. I think he will be ok with Melo back. He is more of a distributor anyway, main reason he has been scoring so much is mostly cause teams were trying to figure out how to guard him and thought daring him to shoot it was the way to go. As long DAntoni keeps running the offense through him he doesn't have to be a 30 10 guys, just find open people and make timely baskets. It can still be Melos show scoring wise.

But then again, Melo is a guy that needs to dominate the ball. Amare is having his worst year ever because he is a guy that also needs to dominate the ball to be effective. And now they added JR Smith to the mix on top of that.

I guess leave it to the coach to figure it out. Lin is a willing passer, maybe his unselfishness will rub off on the team and they will make it work. You are right though, it should be interesting to watch.

[No coincidences]

I actually think they will be OK. Not titles ok, but to be fair they got 2 bad ass teams in their way.

Chandler has made an impact on Knicks D, it can be swarming at times and they do have a few pure defensive guys like Shumpert, Fields and Jeffries to throw in the mix and dont forget DAntoni is not running that defense, Mike Woodson is.

As for Lin. I think he will be ok with Melo back. He is more of a distributor anyway, main reason he has been scoring so much is mostly cause teams were trying to figure out how to guard him and thought daring him to shoot it was the way to go. As long DAntoni keeps running the offense through him he doesn't have to be a 30 10 guys, just find open people and make timely baskets. It can still be Melos show scoring wise.

But then again, Melo is a guy that needs to dominate the ball. Amare is having his worst year ever because he is a guy that also needs to dominate the ball to be effective. And now they added JR Smith to the mix on top of that.

I guess leave it to the coach to figure it out. Lin is a willing passer, maybe his unselfishness will rub off on the team and they will make it work. You are right though, it should be interesting to watch.

That's what I mean: good luck. Sorry, but I'm not a D'Antoni fan.

I do love guys like Tyson Chandler. I think they have some underrated role players next to these spoiled, selfish stars like Amare and Carmelo.

[jsmithj88]

u can kind of see how melo was doing his iso plays at the end of the game
will be interesting to see how they work that into the offense

[Pauulzcappin]

Fading the knicks is easy money.

[pacocn]

Nc, who you got tonight, national tv
audience?