The conspiracy theorist in me wonders about this Knicks/Lin situation

[jsmithj88]

give it up shari, if lin was lindburger, no1 would say anything about conspiracy
him being asian is the main reason
this is definately reminding me of when black people were starting to get more pub. in mainstream sports a long long time ago
always some sort of racial joke along with the headlines, now they are doing it to an asian athlete
its a real shame .........

[tb1984]

You say this after the Mavs -- a popular public play today -- lost? Weird time to bring that up.





Again, I didn't bet the Mavs based on line movement or anything else -- but thanks for stereotyping, shari. In fact, if you look at my disaster of a thread in PT, nearly all of my losing bets I get hammered by the closer or it's because I'm taking a popular public play, like the Mavs. There was nothing in the line or the movement that indicated the Mavs were the play today BTW. Nothing.

I'm speaking as an NBA fan of over three decades here and a person who played the game beyond high school. This has nothing to do with gambling. You may see this as a feel-good story and think Lin is legit, and maybe he will prove me wrong. I just think the clock's going to strike midnight on this kid and the Knicks very, very soon.

The point isn't saying Lin doesn't belong in the league. He's proven that beyond a reasonable doubt. Did you see the stats on SportsCenter comparing his early-career success to Magic's numbers? Again, I've never seen anything like this in the NBA. Ever. It's one thing to come in and do well out of nowhere -- we see that kind of stuff all the time. Hell, guys in April bat .400 with 10 home runs and they're "the next" this or "the next" that. It happens in sports. But going for 30 and 10, 38 and 15, 35 and 15, whatever -- you're talking unprecedented numbers.

It's just very interesting to me that this kid just happens to emerge as the savior of a long-struggling franchise and can go for numbers that would make Magic blush in these prime-time slots (vs. the Lakers, vs. the Mavs, etc.) Some people may be a believer and think this is all 110% legit. I'm just left scratching my head a little about just "how good" this cat has actually been.

Despite of all the things that people in this thread give you to get you think that this is not a conspiracy, I guess bottom line that's your opinion, so you can say or think whatever you want. But, I think the "hater" word is not in your dictionary.

[No coincidences]

give it up shari, if lin was lindburger, no1 would say anything about conspiracy
him being asian is the main reason
this is definately reminding me of when black people were starting to get more pub. in mainstream sports a long long time ago
always some sort of racial joke along with the headlines, now they are doing it to an asian athlete
its a real shame .........

WTF does him being Asian have anything to do with it? His nationality is irrelevant, and the fact that you bring it up -- along with being offended by a guy on ESPN who obviously just used a poor choice of words vs. being intentionally racist -- makes me wonder about you, not everyone else.

[No coincidences]

Despite of all the things that people in this thread give you to get you think that this is not a conspiracy, I guess bottom line that's your opinion, so you can say or think whatever you want. But, I think the "hater" word is not in your dictionary.

I never said this was some sort of full-fledged conspiracy. I'm just saying it all makes me wonder, especially given the track record of the league. If you follow the NBA long enough, you are never surprised by anything that initially seems too good to be true.

[Mr. Doughnut]

Some of you are taking nc's trolling bait hook, line, and sinker. This is getting ridiculous.

[shari91]

You guys continue to miss the point. I'm not questioning whether or not Lin belongs in the NBA -- he obviously does. But to put up video-game like numbers that have never been accomplished before just seems a bit far-fetched to me, especially given who he's doing it for. I wish I could copy and paste the numbers on SportsCenter from earlier tonight comparing his accomplishments in such a short period of time to Magic's numbers-wise.

Lin is an NBA player. No one can deny that. He's schooling literally the most gifted athletes and defenders on the planet like they aren't even there though -- big difference between someone who belongs in the Association and someone who completely takes it over with unprecedented success, which -- when and if scouted correctly -- this cat should not be doing. Yet somehow, magically, he is. And you, the casual fan Shari, can't get enough. Hook, line, sinker.

He didn't school anyone tonight. I've been watching this game religiously since I was 6yo with my dad... that'll be 31 yrs of watching this crazy sport when I turn 37 in a week and a half. I took a break this year from betting and paying attention much because last year did my head in after getting limited - ironically for 100% betting the Knicks opponents TT overs in the 10/11 season, having a toddler, too much League Pass and getting to know TD more privately. And the reasons behind the shortened season pissed me off. I'm a chick yes, but I know this sport. Not enough to proclaim my knowledge with elaborate writeups and to say bet $50k on this team but I do know it.

And I'll say with 110% sincerity no matter how much I know that parts of this league are WWE, this is a kid getting his chance. If he'd always played on a strong team and saw floor time and suddenly became a star in the NBA, I'd laugh my ass off at this fairy tale. There's no one else to fill the role and watching him dish to Novak and even JR tonight, it's not like he's trying to do it all himself. If you watched that game, you saw what happened when he was out. That guy you're talking about, Magic, he said the same thing: NY needs him on the floor. He picks them all up, everyone fights harder, he gives them more opportunities, etc. It was disgusting when he was on the bench. Do you Magic's playing the Stern game? Never.

[young chad]

I laugh at people and their conspiracy theories...it's one thing to think the NBA refs are rigging games to improve their shit salaries. It's another thing to think that coaches are HELPING their own team lose to make someone on the other team look good. Just face facts...Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler were both perennial all-star or all nba/defense type players every year when playing with QUALITY point guards....Mike D'Antoni created a modified European style "system" that works best with a pg that drives the lane and dishes...or can knock down jumpers when defenses sag off and clog the lane. The Knicks were sorely missing that player..they had all the pieces to be good (hence the playoff birth last year)..but they really needed someone to facilitate...they found it in their true PG..sure he happened to be an asian kid (I know people think this is a conspiracy to get asian fans) and sure he happened to be an undrafted kid from Harvard.......but he is a good player...good enough to make 3 different NBA teams, even if 2 of the teams didn't keep him.

You're basically saying either 1 of 2 things happened and were planned by the NBA...someone said hey, let's build a cool "feel good" Rudy type story in 5 years...and let's get colleges to help us..we'll get this kid that plays really good high school ball..we'll tell ALL of the D1-D3 colleges NOT to offer him a scholarship...we'll have him go Ivy League..we'll have him look REALLY good there...but then wont go drafted and bounce around the league for a year and a half before BAM..we spring him on the world and guarantee they bite on this amazing bait..

Or, scenario 2...someone went to David Stern and said...hey, we need more Chinese fans..the Knicks have a kid on the end of their bench that will work...let's have them tank the beginning of their season...have all their stars fake injuries...make it look like the coach put this kid in outta desperation and BOOM he succeeds..and then we have all the other teams in the league throw all the games against him and we market him as Lincredible!!!!

Sorry but I'm not buying it...you wanna know why teams haven't "stopped" him yet..and why it looks easier for us as fans...because WE are focused in on how to stop 1 guy...while these coaches are busy planning b2b2b games and not worried about 1 man and finding his weakness...it's not like these teams are sitting around waiting for the Jeremy Lin show to hit down..they are coaching team ball in a shortened season with no real off season/pre-season...come playoff time when teams get to focus on 1 matchup for a week and a half..you'll see the good coaches find easier ways to take advantage of his weaknesses...but right now, Lin is still yet to face a true defensive challenge..give it time dude..but yes..so far..he IS, THAT GOOD...just accept it..

And for the love of God, if you DO think the NBA is conspiring to make Lin the next Jordan..then just side with the Knicks in all your bets, no one is FORCING you to bet against them/Lin...(which is why I don't get why this would be a conspiracy since most people are hoping on the bandwagon and betting money ON him and winning)

[Redscot]

I laugh at people and their conspiracy theories...it's one thing to think the NBA refs are rigging games to improve their shit salaries. It's another thing to think that coaches are HELPING their own team lose to make someone on the other team look good. Just face facts...Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler were both perennial all-star or all nba/defense type players every year when playing with QUALITY point guards....Mike D'Antoni created a modified European style "system" that works best with a pg that drives the lane and dishes...or can knock down jumpers when defenses sag off and clog the lane. The Knicks were sorely missing that player..they had all the pieces to be good (hence the playoff birth last year)..but they really needed someone to facilitate...they found it in their true PG..sure he happened to be an asian kid (I know people think this is a conspiracy to get asian fans) and sure he happened to be an undrafted kid from Harvard.......but he is a good player...good enough to make 3 different NBA teams, even if 2 of the teams didn't keep him.

You're basically saying either 1 of 2 things happened and were planned by the NBA...someone said hey, let's build a cool "feel good" Rudy type story in 5 years...and let's get colleges to help us..we'll get this kid that plays really good high school ball..we'll tell ALL of the D1-D3 colleges NOT to offer him a scholarship...we'll have him go Ivy League..we'll have him look REALLY good there...but then wont go drafted and bounce around the league for a year and a half before BAM..we spring him on the world and guarantee they bite on this amazing bait..

Or, scenario 2...someone went to David Stern and said...hey, we need more Chinese fans..the Knicks have a kid on the end of their bench that will work...let's have them tank the beginning of their season...have all their stars fake injuries...make it look like the coach put this kid in outta desperation and BOOM he succeeds..and then we have all the other teams in the league throw all the games against him and we market him as Lincredible!!!!

Sorry but I'm not buying it...you wanna know why teams haven't "stopped" him yet..and why it looks easier for us as fans...because WE are focused in on how to stop 1 guy...while these coaches are busy planning b2b2b games and not worried about 1 man and finding his weakness...it's not like these teams are sitting around waiting for the Jeremy Lin show to hit down..they are coaching team ball in a shortened season with no real off season/pre-season...come playoff time when teams get to focus on 1 matchup for a week and a half..you'll see the good coaches find easier ways to take advantage of his weaknesses...but right now, Lin is still yet to face a true defensive challenge..give it time dude..but yes..so far..he IS, THAT GOOD...just accept it..

And for the love of God, if you DO think the NBA is conspiring to make Lin the next Jordan..then just side with the Knicks in all your bets, no one is FORCING you to bet against them/Lin...(which is why I don't get why this would be a conspiracy since most people are hoping on the bandwagon and betting money ON him and winning)

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NoCo, you know I got nothing but love for ya, but this would be so hard to pull off. BTW, Carlisle had a game plan for Lin and they bottled him up plenty....as someone else mentioned he could have had dbl digit turnovers easily. Smith and Novak hit some sick contested 3's. Kid is a good/decent NBA pro imo who has a hot hand, has been plugged into a perfect system to match his strengths and has the benefit of the league not having a "book" on him yet. Sometimes incredible things happen in life, and it is just a natural occurrence.

[No coincidences]

He didn't school anyone tonight. I've been watching this game religiously since I was 6yo with my dad... that'll be 31 yrs of watching this crazy sport when I turn 37 in a week and a half. I took a break this year from betting and paying attention much because last year did my head in after getting limited - ironically for 100% betting the Knicks opponents TT overs in the 10/11 season, having a toddler, too much League Pass and getting to know TD more privately. And the reasons behind the shortened season pissed me off. I'm a chick yes, but I know this sport. Not enough to proclaim my knowledge with elaborate writeups and to say bet $50k on this team but I do know it.

And I'll say with 110% sincerity no matter how much I know that parts of this league are WWE, this is a kid getting his chance. If he'd always played on a strong team and saw floor time and suddenly became a star in the NBA, I'd laugh my ass off at this fairy tale. There's no one else to fill the role and watching him dish to Novak and even JR tonight, it's not like he's trying to do it all himself. If you watched that game, you saw what happened when he was out. That guy you're talking about, Magic, he said the same thing: NY needs him on the floor. He picks them all up, everyone fights harder, he gives them more opportunities, etc. It was disgusting when he was on the bench. Do you Magic's playing the Stern game? Never.

As an NBA analyst for ESPN, what do you expect Magic to say? That he's Cinderella and the clock will strike midnight soon? He has to toe the company line. I love that everyone thinks Magic has given him the vote of confidence for this kid to go ahead and blossom into a full-fledged superstar -- it reminds me a lot of the Elway/Tebow situation.

[pacocn]

No coin what did you drop on this game, i knew you
were considering going uncharacteristically big on the
Mavs?

[No coincidences]

I laugh at people and their conspiracy theories...it's one thing to think the NBA refs are rigging games to improve their shit salaries. It's another thing to think that coaches are HELPING their own team lose to make someone on the other team look good. Just face facts...Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler were both perennial all-star or all nba/defense type players every year when playing with QUALITY point guards....Mike D'Antoni created a modified European style "system" that works best with a pg that drives the lane and dishes...or can knock down jumpers when defenses sag off and clog the lane. The Knicks were sorely missing that player..they had all the pieces to be good (hence the playoff birth last year)..but they really needed someone to facilitate...they found it in their true PG..sure he happened to be an asian kid (I know people think this is a conspiracy to get asian fans) and sure he happened to be an undrafted kid from Harvard.......but he is a good player...good enough to make 3 different NBA teams, even if 2 of the teams didn't keep him.

You're basically saying either 1 of 2 things happened and were planned by the NBA...someone said hey, let's build a cool "feel good" Rudy type story in 5 years...and let's get colleges to help us..we'll get this kid that plays really good high school ball..we'll tell ALL of the D1-D3 colleges NOT to offer him a scholarship...we'll have him go Ivy League..we'll have him look REALLY good there...but then wont go drafted and bounce around the league for a year and a half before BAM..we spring him on the world and guarantee they bite on this amazing bait..

Or, scenario 2...someone went to David Stern and said...hey, we need more Chinese fans..the Knicks have a kid on the end of their bench that will work...let's have them tank the beginning of their season...have all their stars fake injuries...make it look like the coach put this kid in outta desperation and BOOM he succeeds..and then we have all the other teams in the league throw all the games against him and we market him as Lincredible!!!!

Sorry but I'm not buying it...you wanna know why teams haven't "stopped" him yet..and why it looks easier for us as fans...because WE are focused in on how to stop 1 guy...while these coaches are busy planning b2b2b games and not worried about 1 man and finding his weakness...it's not like these teams are sitting around waiting for the Jeremy Lin show to hit down..they are coaching team ball in a shortened season with no real off season/pre-season...come playoff time when teams get to focus on 1 matchup for a week and a half..you'll see the good coaches find easier ways to take advantage of his weaknesses...but right now, Lin is still yet to face a true defensive challenge..give it time dude..but yes..so far..he IS, THAT GOOD...just accept it..

And for the love of God, if you DO think the NBA is conspiring to make Lin the next Jordan..then just side with the Knicks in all your bets, no one is FORCING you to bet against them/Lin...(which is why I don't get why this would be a conspiracy since most people are hoping on the bandwagon and betting money ON him and winning)

You're exaggerating my point. I'm not saying the idea of helping Lin along -- if that is in fact the case -- goes back years or involves the entire league. I'm not saying he's a plant, or a cyborg, or anything else.

I'm just having a hard time believing a kid can just come out of nowhere and put up numbers that have never been accumulated before by a rookie starter. Ever. It's not like we're watching Wilt go for 60 and 30 against a bunch of 6-3 defenders. This isn't akin to a rookie MLB prospect hitting .400 with 10 homers in a month before slowing down -- more like a guy batting .700 with 20 homers and a strikeout in every at-bat he doesn't go deep. It's never been done before.

I just find it convenient that he's doing it for the Knicks, who were on the brink of despair. That's all. How far or deep that goes is left to your own interpretation. I'm just commenting on what I observed yesterday. The kid is good, no doubt, but it's a little hard to believe he's indefensible.

[No coincidences]

No coin what did you drop on this game, i knew you
were considering going uncharacteristically big on the
Mavs?

Just 2U. The bet isn't really relevant to the discussion. I made 4U betting against the Knicks the other night vs. the Hornets (both spread and ML), so it's not that big a deal.

I can't wait to see how this whole thing goes down when pouty Carmelo comes back and isn't allowed to get his 25 shots per game. That's going to be rich.

[pacocn]

Nc this is not a coincidence that you are bringing up conspiracy theory
right after a big bet gone sour. Your timing is impeccable. No coincidence.

[No coincidences]

Nc this is not a coincidence that you are bringing up conspiracy theory
right after a big bet gone sour. Your timing is impeccable. No coincidence.

2U is a big bet?



I said at the start this is the first time I've been able to watch him from start to finish in a game. That's why I brought it up -- not because I lost a lousy $40.

[pacocn]

Lin did have a good game lets leave it at that.
New Orleans didn't get the memo about letting Lin
run wild?

[No coincidences]

Lin did have a good game lets leave it at that.
New Orleans didn't get the memo about letting Lin
run wild?

Yeah -- isn't it funny that when they're playing elite teams in national TV spots, he goes ballistic, yet they can't mop the floor with the lowly Hornets when no one's really paying attention?

[pacocn]

N.c. in all due respect are there any conspiracy theory
games i should avoid today? We have a big card and i am
expecting to play multiple games today. bol

[wrongturn]

No coin, it is okay, nobody saw this coming, including Lin himself. Wait... Stern is the only one making all this happen.

[No coincidences]

N.c. in all due respect are there any conspiracy theory
games i should avoid today? We have a big card and i am
expecting to play multiple games today. bol

You're right pacocn -- I should take everything at face value in the NBA and never question or wonder about anything. It's not like there's any evidence that the league has been anything other than completely on the level before, right?

[pacocn]

You're right pacocn -- I should take everything at face value in the NBA and never question or wonder about anything. It's not like there's any evidence that the league has been anything other than completely on the level before, right?

If it's that corrupt don't bet it.

[No coincidences]

If it's that corrupt don't bet it.

Every sport is "corrupt" to a certain extent in different spots and degrees. Cheaters live in all forms of the game at both the college and pro levels. Just the nature of the beast. NBA is no different. If your eyes aren't open to that, it can only hurt you as a gambler. Just like going against these Knicks in a huge TV spot, in retrospect, was incredibly bad business on my part.

[pacocn]

Every sport is "corrupt" to a certain extent in different spots and degrees. Cheaters live in all forms of the game at both the college and pro levels. Just the nature of the beast. NBA is no different. If your eyes aren't open to that, it can only hurt you as a gambler. Just like going against these Knicks in a huge TV spot, in retrospect, was incredibly bad business on my part.

Well said, i think we will be fine by avoiding the Knicks on national tv, but to suggest the Mavs purposely let Lin run rampant is an over stretch in my opinion, and to insinuate that Rick Carlisle purposely devised a porous defense to accomodate Lin is just a bit hard to swallow.

[pacocn]

Btw i like your lean of the T wolves today

[No coincidences]

Well said, i think we will be fine by avoiding the Knicks on national tv, but to suggest the Mavs purposely let Lin run rampant is an over stretch in my opinion, and to insinuate that Rick Carlisle purposely devised a porous defense to accomodate Lin is just a bit hard to swallow.

I just wish a goddam coach would make this kid go to his left. You'd think the defending NBA championship bench could make that happen.

[Love The Action]

Come on NC, this thread is really ridiculous. The history of sports is filled with guys that came out of nowhere to be studs. Johhny Unitas for god sakes is a very similar story as far as coming out of nowhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Unitas Was the NFL rigged back in the 1950's? What about Fernando Venezuela in baseball? I could name you a ton of guys that came out of nowhere. In addition, this is only Lin's 8th game or whatever.

For you to even try to insinuate this is a league-wide conspiracy and every team is just going to "allow" this kid to score at will for the rest of his career by playing bad defense -- not to mention that he actually has to make the shots regardless of defense -- is so out of this world stupid, that I can't believe you are even going there. Give the kid some credit. I personally don't think he will continue to perform at such a high level, but he might be a serviceable type guy. Either way, it's only his 8th game as a starter and we should just give him credit for what he has done instead of assuming it's a conspiracy.

I can understand your conspiracy threads when it comes to refs or that sort of thing. However, this is just so silly it hurts your credibility on other things. Just my opinion, and you know I respect you, but this thread is really, really tin-foil on the head stupid.

[No coincidences]

Come on NC, this thread is really ridiculous. The history of sports is filled with guys that came out of nowhere to be studs. Johhny Unitas for god sakes is a very similar story as far as coming out of nowhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Unitas Was the NFL rigged back in the 1950's? What about Fernando Venezuela in baseball? I could name you a ton of guys that came out of nowhere. In addition, this is only Lin's 8th game or whatever.

For you to even try to insinuate this is a league-wide conspiracy and every team is just going to "allow" this kid to score at will for the rest of his career by playing bad defense -- not to mention that he actually has to make the shots regardless of defense -- is so out of this world stupid, that I can't believe you are even going there. Give the kid some credit. I personally don't think he will continue to perform at such a high level, but he might be a serviceable type guy. Either way, it's only his 8th game as a starter and we should just give him credit for what he has done instead of assuming it's a conspiracy.

I can understand your conspiracy threads when it comes to refs or that sort of thing. However, this is just so silly it hurts your credibility on other things. Just my opinion, and you know I respect you, but this thread is really, really tin-foil on the head stupid.

It seems to be working well for the Knicks and the NBA at a time when they needed him most. I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions from there. Again, I'm not saying there's a full-blown conspiracy going on, but I'm just a little skeptical when this guy's dropping 38 on the Lakers or going for 30 and 15 on the champs in nationally televised spots.

You've always been a "purist" when it comes to these sorts of things, LTA. I admire that. I wish I could, as a full-fledged sports fan for over three decades, say the same thing. While people were high-fiving each other during the steroid era of the late-90's, I was wondering what was going on given the track record of numbers in baseball. Sorry -- just my nature to ask questions instead of just "enjoying the ride."

NBA has been as corrupt as any league at any level in the past in a lot of different ways. Again, I'm sorry if I don't trust the league unconditionally and that Lin's numbers don't pop up red flags in my mind. I'm not declaring a league-wide conspiracy by any means -- just makes me wonder.

[migz]

How about Rondo man? He was an unknown player before, were his 10+ assists rigged also? No. These players are with the right place at the right time.

[BigDofBA]

Soccer is way more corrupt.

I'm a degen so I bet on European Soccer matches during the day while I'm at the office.

When a team that is +900 goes to +800 right before the game and they win, you know something is up. I cashed that in btw.

Just google soccer match fixing.

[migz]

Watch this bro.

[No coincidences]

How about Rondo man? He was an unknown player before, were his 10+ assists rigged also? No. These players are with the right place at the right time.

Rajon Rondo, the Kentucky All-American and first-round NBA pick?

[Love The Action]

It seems to be working well for the Knicks and the NBA at a time when they needed him most. I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions from there. Again, I'm not saying there's a full-blown conspiracy going on, but I'm just a little skeptical when this guy's dropping 38 on the Lakers or going for 30 and 15 on the champs in nationally televised spots.

You've always been a "purist" when it comes to these sorts of things, LTA. I admire that. I wish I could, as a full-fledged sports fan for over three decades, say the same thing. While people were high-fiving each other during the steroid era of the late-90's, I was wondering what was going on given the track record of numbers in baseball. Sorry -- just my nature to ask questions instead of just "enjoying the ride."

NBA has been as corrupt as any league at any level in the past in a lot of different ways. Again, I'm sorry if I don't trust the league unconditionally and that Lin's numbers don't pop up red flags in my mind. I'm not declaring a league-wide conspiracy by any means -- just makes me wonder.

On one hand you say that there's not a conspiracy, but on the other hand you are saying that you are skeptical of how Lin is performing this well.

It sounds like you want to scream conspiracy without actually saying it because you know there is no humanly way possible that the league could "fix" it for one guy to play as well as he has.

Could Lin be on steroids or something? Sure. Properly used, steroids could help a basketball player recover from the rigors of playing 45 minutes day in and day out. If you claimed that the league was secretly allowing Lin to take steroids in order to improve his performance, then perhaps that is plausible.

However, the problem with that hypothesis is that the guy still needs to put the ball in the hoop and no amount of steroids or any other drug will help him do that. Such a skill is just natural and you either have it -- with the aid of practice over time and development -- or you don't. I'm not a huge Lin guy, but I think people can easily argue that Lin has always had the skill and just needed the time to develop.

If you look into the history of Lin you will find a guy who has been a consistent "late bloomer" his entire life. The guy was a 143 pounds as senior in high school. Even though he had D1 basketball skills, he was not getting any big time offers because he was so small. Size is something you can add to the equation (through natural or unnatural methods), as long as you have the god-given gifts to put the ball in the hoop, dribble well, etc.

You act like he was not hitting 3 pointers with Nowitzki right in his face. The Mavs were playing the guy tough and he still had a great game. Sometimes guys just get on a roll and you can't explain it. Bottom line is its more plausible to think this is just the right guy, in the right place, at the right time, after developing and practicing long enough, than the result of some super conspiracy between the NBA, David Stern, Jeremy Lin, 32 NBA teams, all the players, GM's, coaches, the nation of China, and whoever else people think can be a part of all this.

I'm not so much a purist as a realist. If you can explain to me how they are pulling off this fix, I'm all ears. However, whenever I ask people to explain how games are fixed or provide any proof, they never respond with answers. For the most part, people like to make accusations without any proof. That's what I find silly. I don't mind accusations if you have something to back it up. In this case, it's just fantasy land stuff.

[k13]

so he'd been stealing the ball and dunking in a full court set during his harvard days hmmm... conspiracy that these kids let him do that to em.

You make it sound like no one in college stole the ball and dunked before.

Played against crappy teams 99% of the time.

Someone saying he was a stud in HS..... 15 ppg 7apg is nothing in HS ball, thus why so little interest.

Most top recruits avg 30 points a game in high school.

He's playing well above his ceiling right now.

[k13]

Stern sends out memo's to referees on what to do so anything is possible.

You don't want to be be blacklisted by the NBA.

[wrongturn]

I just wish a goddam coach would make this kid go to his left. You'd think the defending NBA championship bench could make that happen.

If you pay attention to what teams did since game #4, all teams already knew that is his weakness. If it is that easy to shut down a guy, anybody can be NBA coaches.

[BigDofBA]

Lin is not on steroids. Look at him.