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Limit got it right; just need a bigger bankroll for the 4 strike to assure you do not go busto. With a 2 strike a 100 units at 1% should be fine. Icebet did his research and 200 units for a 4 strike should be fine. It is pretty awsome, but it becomes closer to a chase method. Does work out great though.
My bad on the NBA 2-4 strike strategy. It was MLB and I got the threads mixed up i suppose.
Also great job on the death vs deaf... Idk where my mind was at the times. That one i can laugh at myself about.
Also you should probably stay away from betus.com all together. Even though the site allows you to buy 3 points it is kinda shady when it comes to spreads and lines at times. Before they knew i was a JM affiliate I could get 3pts at -170, after the fact my juice increased to -190. You can search this yourself by opening 2 browsers and have one bet logged in on your account and another bet with out a log in and compare the two. I called them on this and they told me on the phone some thing about "fake lines."
They would not take me off the list of the JM affiliate and since then i switched books to 5dimes.com.... Doesn't allow me to buy 3points from what i seen though. With the new strategies or labby though buying points becomes unnecessary...
Thanks again for the 7/5 back test gents.
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I can buy 3 points at 5dimes but it's at -200. BetUS must have changed lines because when I was there (through JM), it was -170.Last edited by alexknyc; 02-26-12, 05:15 PM. Reason: Tried to reunite the - and the 200 but no can doComment -
You are a good sport. But you must learn the golden rule of the thread: Under no circumstances can you make any mistakes whatsoever during off days or all star breaks of a sport. We have absolutely nothing to discuss, and we hover like vulchers waiting for anything to write about, to pass the time til the next game. You just happened to step into the trap! LOL. Someone please do it again, we still have two days to kill.Comment -
Due to the fact that it seems many of you spend countless hours backtesting....
I have been told that this site will backtest any system you might think of. I do not know how to use it, nor have I tried. But I have seen guys use it and have had success.
Might we worth a try for those of you that backtest often. Could save you many hours/days/weeks...
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Go check out the site. They have several 'trends' posted.
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I believe it is a computer that will test any query that you enter. I looked through it for a few minutes before... Seems you need to learn the science of how to enter in a query. With it being just a computer, I do not think you need to be worried about them taking your system and running with it.. as im sure it runs thousands of querys from people like us without any individual ever looking at the actual querys and results. I could be wrong though.Comment -
You may very well be correct. But a 'red flag' of concern to me comes from the fact that that have 'ties' to a sports service. (killersports) And here is a 'post' from thier homepage:
<TABLE cellPadding=5 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=250><TABLE cellPadding=6><TBODY><TR><TH bgColor=#ccffcc>News from our Clients </TH></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ddffdd>MTi Sports Forecasting uses more than 10,000 SportsDataBase.com NFL trends for their handicapping. They finished the NFL season 78-52 and are again number one in the country of the 100+ services that are documented by the Sports Monitor of Oklahoma City. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Comment -
Personally, if if they wanna do the backtesting for me for free, I could care less if they take the system and use it, as I would never end up selling it anyway... If they can save me thousands of hours, they can take the results as long as I have them too... obviously others may feel differently though.Comment -
I understand exactly where you're coming from. I agree that it would be nice to have somebody else do the painstaking and time consuming job of research and backtesting our 'theories'. I may not ever sell the information either, but I don't like the idea that they could and probably would mass produce it, thereby weakening it, if by no other means but that the lines move 1/2 to 1 point against us. Think about that for a second, we have witnessed several games recently even with buying 2 and 3 points on our systems that we are using we win or lose by 1/2 to 1 point. And in this game we need every edge we can muster in our fight for Truth, Justice and the America way. (that last part was just a joke BTW)
Now if someone can help me down, I'd appreciate it.
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This database can be accessed using the site above as well as using killersports site. I have used SDQL before and while I certainly think and know it's possible to do the equivalent to backtesting I also know that you have to put together the queries to make this work (i.e., using the sports database query language write the queries to pull the data you are seeking).
On killersports the NBA, MLB and NFL are the only sports available. On sportsdatabase these 3 are available as well as NCAAF. I have used these sites before and even have various queries saved that I use each year (mostly for dog systems in MLB).
The problem I have with testing many of the "theories" thrown about here is they are often 3 and 4 game chases which means you have to build queries into queries and that becomes quite painstaking.
Sorry to ramble I just wanted to shed some light since this was something I had / have some experience with. Just to be clear I'm not an expert just wanted to share some of my experience.Comment -
Thanks Analyzer for shedding some light on this. I didn't even think about that when I first took a glance, but I do bet it would be very difficult to run a 'chase type' inquiry ( too many parameters). It did appear the software setup they had would be best in picking a single game and its winning % or % to cover the spread based on certain parameters being met in the previous game or games or against certain opponents. Thanks again for the insight from your experience.Comment -
You're welcome - glad to help!
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You guys should join the sports database google group...then if you want to inquire about how to query something you can just email the group and usually one of the sql experts responds.Comment -
Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 40-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +2.71 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 3 (-8.74 units)
v1 Plays
(A) 27-18
(B) 6-11
(C) 4-5
(D) 3-2
V2 Plays
In production
Games for (2/28/12):
#42 Boston (M/L) @ Cleveland (C) (7:05 pm EST)
#43 Philadelphia (M/L) @ Detroit (C) (7:35 pm EST)
#44 Washington (+8) @ Milwaukee (B) (8:05 pm EST)
We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.Comment -
Minnesota (A) vs LAC
NJN (A) vs Dal
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how dead is this thead??? 2 C bets wins and you are all silent??
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YES! Since I jumped on today, I still won 1 unit on C, C, and B bet with Wallco. Pretty happy about that even though my bets were small since I didn't have to place A or B bets. Great job wallco on clearing up those series!
Yes, I am still labbying some, but as i stated in the past i stopped following for a while even though i was active in the forum. The 7/5 strategy has proven to be more profitable long run then labby; at least as far as i can see. Right now I am not trying to follow too many systems, so I am not labbying the A-Bets like some people. I am hoping all A bets lose so we can play the 7/5 method. I know jumping on board this late in the season is pretty dangerous, but I will tread lightly.
Also as far as Atari goes, he is a good capper and I do not know why you laugh at him. He is up 25 units this season with his biggest bet being 4.5 units. He has not had more then 2 straight losing days as well. I know he charges for his picks, but if it makes money, then I do not see what the big deal is. I do not mind paying a small amount as long as he is increasing my bankroll each month. Also with that said, being up 25 units so far this season means on average you will increase your bankroll between 10-15% each month.
For those of you who do not follow or do not know who Atari is, I suggest checking out his website. He made a good amount in MLB and his does just about every sport.
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YES! Since I jumped on today, I still won 1 unit on C, C, and B bet with Wallco. Pretty happy about that even though my bets were small since I didn't have to place A or B bets. Great job wallco on clearing up those series!
Yes, I am still labbying some, but as i stated in the past i stopped following for a while even though i was active in the forum. The 7/5 strategy has proven to be more profitable long run then labby; at least as far as i can see. Right now I am not trying to follow too many systems, so I am not labbying the A-Bets like some people. I am hoping all A bets lose so we can play the 7/5 method. I know jumping on board this late in the season is pretty dangerous, but I will tread lightly.
Also as far as Atari goes, he is a good capper and I do not know why you laugh at him. He is up 25 units this season with his biggest bet being 4.5 units. He has not had more then 2 straight losing days as well. I know he charges for his picks, but if it makes money, then I do not see what the big deal is. I do not mind paying a small amount as long as he is increasing my bankroll each month. Also with that said, being up 25 units so far this season means on average you will increase your bankroll between 10-15% each month.
For those of you who do not follow or do not know who Atari is, I suggest checking out his website. He made a good amount in MLB and his does just about every sport.
JMD
I have not heard from the guy since mlb.... maybe he is good at nba, i have no idea...
But his mlb was a joke.. His money management and labby lines were the worst ive ever seen. He busted many peoples bankrolls and always had huge amounts risked while chasing with no end in sight with his waaaaay to aggressive lines.
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Can someone help me out with 5dimes.com
I was looking at NBA lines for tomorrow and I do not see where I can buy points. I notice a tab called "Alt lines" up top and allows you to expand and collapse, but does not seem to be doing anything at the moment. Can someone explain to me where I go to buy points at 5dimes.com
Thank You
JMD
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I guess he has changed a bit since MLB. I remember him having some heavy labby lines for MLB due to mainly juice, but he is still a good capper. I am sure he has readjusted his money management approach since then.
Also I was looking at his nBA record and I think everything is under -119 juice for his bets so far. I came up with a way to be up 30 units or 15 units per month this year following him. Pretty good in my mind. If i can increase my bankroll 15 % each month, Just thinking of it 2 years from now
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1. Go to Straight & RIF on the left tabCan someone help me out with 5dimes.com I was looking at NBA lines for tomorrow and I do not see where I can buy points. I notice a tab called "Alt lines" up top and allows you to expand and collapse, but does not seem to be doing anything at the moment. Can someone explain to me where I go to buy points at 5dimes.com Thank You JMD PPS I guess he has changed a bit since MLB. I remember him having some heavy labby lines for MLB due to mainly juice, but he is still a good capper. I am sure he has readjusted his money management approach since then. Also I was looking at his nBA record and I think everything is under -119 juice for his bets so far. I came up with a way to be up 30 units or 15 units per month this year following him. Pretty good in my mind. If i can increase my bankroll 15 % each month, Just thinking of it 2 years from now
2. Choose: NBA
3. Pick team or teams
4. Buy points from the drop down menu
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5 x 4 If a loss occurs....
7.5 x 4 Lose
11.25 x 4 Lose
16.88 x 4 Lose
25.32 x 4 Lose
37.98 / 37.98 / 37.98 / 37.98 (bet to win 75.96 or 7.6units if your unit size is $10) This is the labby line after 5 consecutive losses. That is pretty good I think, but take into account this is at +100 odds. This is a good way of doing it so you only need 2 consecutive wins to clear your line. If your comfortable making 8unit bets, which most of us are, then this may be a good strategy for you.
This is strategy I kinda stole from Limit in the past about averaging your loss over the 4 starting numbers on your line. Makes for a quicker profit using the labby. The 5x4 represents 5 / 5 / 5 / 5 as your starting labby line.
Just trying to help my fellow Labbiers
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