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jas19illiniSBR Wise Guy
- 10-27-10
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#1436Comment -
inn_keeperSBR High Roller
- 12-30-11
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SlickRick1382SBR MVP
- 10-15-11
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Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
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#1439NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 1/11/2012 Recap
2 - 1 = +0.9x
NBA 2011-2012 Season
31 - 21 = +9.25x
We just keep grinding. Time to start working on the rest of Thursday's card....Comment -
GChildSBR MVP
- 12-11-10
- 3885
#1440We are do for a sweepComment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#1441
This is how it should read:
For example, if the Wizards are set at +13 with 80% of 10,000 wagers placed on the Bulls, yet all of a sudden the line drops to +10, a guy who follows RLM will jump on that +10 and miss out on all of the value in the original number. Consequently, the RLM junkie who jumped on the bad number at +10 will lose, while the sharp money or syndicate money that caused the steam cashes their tickets on the Wizards at +12 or +13 when the Bulls win by 11.Comment -
jas19illiniSBR Wise Guy
- 10-27-10
- 682
#1442Ahhhhh, thank you! Man i was sitting here racking my brain trying to understand how your explanation was feasible. Now it makes perfect sense after the typo correction. Thanks.Comment -
MrXYZSBR MVP
- 02-18-11
- 2342
#1443Like the Detroit/Mil under play, I'm on it for 1x. However it's shaping up as another blowout & we could be sweating this one out in the 4th quarter if the hot shooting from the Bucks does continue. I'm hoping we can sit back & cash this one with an 88-75 type scoreline.
As the average bettor tends to have a bias towards pounding overs set below 180, it'll be interesting to see if the line gets pushed up or the sharps get it to 175 as expected by LTA.
Good luck on a breakout day.Comment -
NYSportsGuy210SBR Posting Legend
- 11-07-09
- 11347
#1444Any thoughts on Bobcats vs. Hawks for today (1/12/12)?
I am leaning UNDER 184 total points....thoughts?Comment -
shari91BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-23-10
- 32661
#1445Please stop reporting the Love That Action account. It has already been dealt with. Thank you.Comment -
jas19illiniSBR Wise Guy
- 10-27-10
- 682
#1448LTA is always promoting bball discussion on this thread, so I have a topic for everyone. What stats, or advanced stats, do you guys find most important when capping NBA games (sides and totals)? It would also be helpful to people like myself who are just starting to learn how to cap NBA games if you could give a sentence or two about WHY you think a particular stat is important in capping, or why a particular stat is better than another. Looking forward to a good discussion.
(LTA, if you think this is in any way hijacking your thread then ill remove this post.)Comment -
NB-AceSBR High Roller
- 12-26-11
- 115
#1449LTA is always promoting bball discussion on this thread, so I have a topic for everyone. What stats, or advanced stats, do you guys find most important when capping NBA games (sides and totals)? It would also be helpful to people like myself who are just starting to learn how to cap NBA games if you could give a sentence or two about WHY you think a particular stat is important in capping, or why a particular stat is better than another. Looking forward to a good discussion.
(LTA, if you think this is in any way hijacking your thread then ill remove this post.)
- Team A "pace" + Team B "pace" ÷ 2 = "expected pace"
- Team A "offensive efficiency" + Team B "defensive efficiency" ÷ 2, then ÷ 100 x "expected pace"
- Team B "offensive efficiency" + Team A "defensive efficiency" ÷ 2, then ÷ 100 x "expected pace"
^I realize this is a very rough method that ignores more than a few variables, but it's yielded some interesting results so far. This method is convenient too as it only takes 2-3 mins to "analyze" a game.
I took it one step further for the 76ers/Pacers game the other night. Hoopdata tracks percentages and volume (both offensively and defensively) for shots at the rim, shots between 5-9 feet from the basket, 10-15 feet, etc. etc. So I performed an analysis with those components in the same manner as I did above, factored in average team FT% and volume, then got a projected point total that way as well. Here were the results:
FIRST METHOD (rough estimate):
94.2 Pace
76ers = 95.4
Pacers = 90.2
(185.6 predicted, 183.5 Vegas)
SECOND METHOD (shot chart avg's/finer method):
At Rim:
76ers: 66.4% for 25.5 pts
Pacers: 56.6% for 27.3 pts
3-9 Feet:
76ers: 44.5% for 10.9 pts
Pacers: 40.3% for 10.6 pts
10-15 Feet:
76ers: 36.7% for 8.7 pts
Pacers: 34.7% for 5.8 pts
16-23 Feet:
76ers: 34.8% for 15.5 pts
Pacers: 28.4% for 10.7 pts
Three Point:
76ers: 35.7% for 18.4 pts
Pacers: 35.8% for 16.9 pts
Total Composite Analysis:
76ers: 79 pts (+19.9 FT pts) = 98.9 pts
Pacers: 71.3 pts (+22.5 FT pts) = 93.8 pts
(192.7 alt total)
FWIW, the actual score of the game was 96-86, 76ers. So, in this particular example Method 1 did a better job capping the game, although I'm not sure if there's any rhyme or reason to that other than small sample-size variance. I'd love to get everyone's thoughts on this.Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#1450I look forward to the discussion.
I will not provide any specifics as to how I use APBRmetrics, but I will say that most of the quantitative factors I use in my model can be found at the following sites:
NBA stats that can't be found out elsewhere! Basketball analytics glossary and NBA stats tables are being used by many who want simplified analysis.
Checkout the statistics, scores & history of every team & NBA and WNBA players and more on Basketball-Reference.com
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82games.com is a pioneering site covering the NBA from an analytical persepctive. Founded by a championship winning NBA stats coach and front office executive.
I also highly recommend the book "Basketball on Paper" for those interested in learning more about advanced basketball metrics. It is the "Moneyball" for basketball.
Off to work. Good luck on everyone's plays.Comment -
upscopeSBR MVP
- 04-26-11
- 2837
#1451Damn...Love "That" Action went 2-0 last night
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jas19illiniSBR Wise Guy
- 10-27-10
- 682
#1452What are people's thoughts on using % stats vs attempts? For example free throw % vs free throw attempts.Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#1454NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 1/12/2012
Play #1
Pistons/Bucks under (177.5) 1x (Locked)
I am jumping on this one now as I expect this one to drop to 176 by Thursday morning and a closing number around 175. We have both team suffering from depth problems due to injury with Stuckey downgraded to doubtful for Detroit and Villanueva questionable, while the Bucks will be without Dunleavy and Moute, with Udrih upgraded to questionable. Without Stuckey, the Pistons don't have any scoring threats, especially with Ben Gordon playing like a shell of his former self. On the other hand, the Bucks do have Bogut back, but I think that actually helps our under play as the Bucks will slow down their recent fast pace and play a more half court oriented game. Detroit ranks at or near the bottom of the league in all of the major advanced statistical categories such as OEFF, TS%,EFG%, etc., while the Bucks continue to rank at the top of the league in advanced defensive categories behind the defensive task master-like coach in Scott Skiles. I don't expect Detroit to play with a lot of energy because they are in a small fatigue spot playing their 3rd game in 4 nights, while the Bucks are rested and playing at home for the first time after a long road trip. Consequently, I expect maximum defensive effort, but a poor shooting game in this classic let down spot with the Bucks playing their first home game in awhile. Detroit has almost no chance to win, but Milwaukee has had two great shooting performances in a row against the Suns and Spurs and this team just can't sustain such a high percentage. I fully expect a regression tomorrow and a poor shooting performance from the Bucks as a team. Neither team will be looking to run tomorrow and I think we see a rather ugly game which will be won on the defensive end, most likely by the Bucks. I have this game set at 174 giving us a full 3 points of variance between my number and what the books are giving us at the moment and that is just too much value to pass up. Based on the foregoing, I am rolling with the under for 1x. Good luck.
Play #2
Magic/Warriors under (189) 1x (Locked)
No time for an in-depth writeup. Magic have shot lights out two games in a row and I expect a regression against a hard working, rested, if not good warrior defense. The warriors offense has limited weapons with curry out and I don't think ellis and lee can do it alone against the magics top ten defense in DEFF. Howard is a beast inside and should be able to limit the opposing frontcourt. Both offenses are slow in the bottom 10 of PACE. This play is entirely dependent on team shooting and I expect a regression for both after their recent solid performances. I have this game set at 185.5 and I'm rolling with the value on the under for 1x. Good luck.Comment -
NOREGRETSSBR MVP
- 02-12-10
- 1326
#1455Thanks LTA. Gotta get a sweep tonight!!Comment -
No coincidencesSBR Aristocracy
- 01-18-10
- 76300
#1456
Play #2
Magic/Warriors under (189) 1x (Locked)
No time for an in-depth writeup. Magic have shot lights out two games in a row and I expect a regression against a hard working, rested, if not good warrior defense. The warriors offense has limited weapons with curry out and I don't think ellis and lee can do it alone against the magics top ten defense in DEFF. Howard is a beast inside and should be able to limit the opposing frontcourt. Both offenses are slow in the bottom 10 of PACE. This play is entirely dependent on team shooting and I expect a regression for both after their recent solid performances. I have this game set at 185.5 and I'm rolling with the value on the under for 1x. Good luck.Comment -
BigBurkSBR MVP
- 02-25-11
- 3785
#1457Lock this in earlier today at 188½ and I don't think it will get any higher than 189.Comment -
NOREGRETSSBR MVP
- 02-12-10
- 1326
#1458Magic under locked in earlier at 188.5. Number is currently sitting at 187Comment -
TC WoodsSBR MVP
- 12-17-11
- 1780
#1459
Play #2
Magic/Warriors under (189) 1x (Locked)
No time for an in-depth writeup. Magic have shot lights out two games in a row and I expect a regression against a hard working, rested, if not good warrior defense. The warriors offense has limited weapons with curry out and I don't think ellis and lee can do it alone against the magics top ten defense in DEFF. Howard is a beast inside and should be able to limit the opposing frontcourt. Both offenses are slow in the bottom 10 of PACE. This play is entirely dependent on team shooting and I expect a regression for both after their recent solid performances. I have this game set at 185.5 and I'm rolling with the value on the under for 1x. Good luck.
Good callComment -
IXLSBR High Roller
- 12-23-11
- 124
#1460Thanks for the picks LTA!Comment -
squid44SBR Sharp
- 06-13-10
- 353
#1461tailing you here on the under LTA! BOL to us !Comment -
ShaisterIncSBR Rookie
- 12-27-11
- 15
#1462Thanks for the pick. BOL to all.Comment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#1463NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 1/12/2012
Play #1
Pistons/Bucks under (177.5) 1x (Locked)
I am jumping on this one now as I expect this one to drop to 176 by Thursday morning and a closing number around 175. We have both team suffering from depth problems due to injury with Stuckey downgraded to doubtful for Detroit and Villanueva questionable, while the Bucks will be without Dunleavy and Moute, with Udrih upgraded to questionable. Without Stuckey, the Pistons don't have any scoring threats, especially with Ben Gordon playing like a shell of his former self. On the other hand, the Bucks do have Bogut back, but I think that actually helps our under play as the Bucks will slow down their recent fast pace and play a more half court oriented game. Detroit ranks at or near the bottom of the league in all of the major advanced statistical categories such as OEFF, TS%,EFG%, etc., while the Bucks continue to rank at the top of the league in advanced defensive categories behind the defensive task master-like coach in Scott Skiles. I don't expect Detroit to play with a lot of energy because they are in a small fatigue spot playing their 3rd game in 4 nights, while the Bucks are rested and playing at home for the first time after a long road trip. Consequently, I expect maximum defensive effort, but a poor shooting game in this classic let down spot with the Bucks playing their first home game in awhile. Detroit has almost no chance to win, but Milwaukee has had two great shooting performances in a row against the Suns and Spurs and this team just can't sustain such a high percentage. I fully expect a regression tomorrow and a poor shooting performance from the Bucks as a team. Neither team will be looking to run tomorrow and I think we see a rather ugly game which will be won on the defensive end, most likely by the Bucks. I have this game set at 174 giving us a full 3 points of variance between my number and what the books are giving us at the moment and that is just too much value to pass up. Based on the foregoing, I am rolling with the under for 1x. Good luck.
Play #2
Magic/Warriors under (189) 1x (Locked)
No time for an in-depth writeup. Magic have shot lights out two games in a row and I expect a regression against a hard working, rested, if not good warrior defense. The warriors offense has limited weapons with curry out and I don't think ellis and lee can do it alone against the magics top ten defense in DEFF. Howard is a beast inside and should be able to limit the opposing frontcourt. Both offenses are slow in the bottom 10 of PACE. This play is entirely dependent on team shooting and I expect a regression for both after their recent solid performances. I have this game set at 185.5 and I'm rolling with the value on the under for 1x. Good luck.
Play #3
Knicks/Grizzlies over (193) 1x (Locked)
We have two teams with top 10 PACE ratings, who have struggling defenses because of fatigue in the case of the knicks and injury in the case of memphis. Regardless, I think the books have overvalued the the under way too much in this spot as last season saw this matchup go over every game with totals set at least 10 points higher. This total is dropping as I hit the keys on my phone, but I think we see some buyback on the over resulting in a closer around 194. I have this game set at 197, so as soon as I saw 193 I had to jump on this play as I expect a very fast paced game. Based on the foregoing, I am rolling with the over for 1x. Good luck.Comment -
SoxSide IrishSBR High Roller
- 01-08-12
- 184
#1464Just got it at 191.5 from my localComment -
Love The ActionSBR Posting Legend
- 11-08-10
- 10952
#1465Tricky line movement in that knicks over as it went from 193 all the way up to 194.5, and then dropped back down to 193 and kept on going to 191.5 where it now sits.
That's not good so use your best judgment on this one. I really like the over, so I'm rolling with it full steam ahead. Might have one more play as well. Leaving work for home now....good luck tonight.Comment -
mikea33SBR MVP
- 11-14-11
- 2149
#1467Im sticking with the over LTA. let us know your later plays!Comment -
SoxSide IrishSBR High Roller
- 01-08-12
- 184
#1468Were due for an over...Feel good about this oneComment -
FlaxMartinSBR MVP
- 08-13-10
- 2148
#1469lets have a 3-0 sweep tonight!Comment -
ManBearPigSBR MVP
- 12-04-08
- 2473
#1470Well we actually agree on one play today... ORL/GS under, although you got a better line. I've been away and unable to track much today. I'm also looking at ATL/CHA over and PHO/CLE under. Hell the way things have gone you could blind bet the under and probably hit 3 of 5 today.
The lines are starting to adjust so I wouldn't recommend it, but some of these teams the linesmakers can't go low enough.
To the guy talking about predicting pace...Basketball on Paper is your bible also get familiar with not only pace and what makes it up, but off/def efficiency and also team/league averages (eg. pts scored/allowed home and away) I use some of Pomroy's ideas and methods for predicting efficiency and pace in one of my systems.
Also, familiarize yourself with standard deviations and how you can use to find inefficiency's. I incorporated this concept into my model this year and have seen seen very consistent results, in fact my ATL/CHA over is based off this concept.Comment
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