More Tim Donaghy on Bulls/Heat

politicin · 05-20-11, 01:36 PM

Great post Sports. I love your posts/threads.

This is so clearly the case. Heat got all the calls and any phantom calls the Bulls got were at times that didn't matter simply to give off the idea it was called fairly when referencing the stat sheet.

For others looking to delve deeper into this matter, this has also be talked about in my stellar, groundbreaking thread right here.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/1081959-justify-4-fouls-46-seconds-against-home-team.html

thebestthereis · 05-20-11, 01:38 PM

if it is a foul it is a foul (assuming you know the rules), if the ball crosses the area that is deemed a strike, it is a strike. if the fukking guy gets to the base before the ball or he is tagged, then he is safe. the next step up in human brain function is finite math or brain surgery. i feel bad for the officials as their job is among the toughest in the world.

fsfalcons · 05-20-11, 01:55 PM

donaghy's just a little delerious from being owned in prison

SportsPedagogy · 05-20-11, 02:26 PM

thanks politicin !

There is a grey line on fouls. Some stuff is right on that line, you cant get everything right. The problem comes, when you call the game tighter on one team then you do another.

3 big things in that game..

the 4 fouls in 45 seconds.... that has to be a record. I cant recall a single one being an out right foul where it would be called over 90% of the time. It put the Bulls in foul trouble and took them out of their game. Miami took the lead.

Game tied 73-73 - Wades Elbow collides and begins to bleed. They got a timeout to stop the bleeding. They couldnt do it in time. What SHOULD of happened would be the Heat sub in somebody untill they can, or face a delay of game. Instead, they give the Heat more time, about a minute and a half more. Iv never seen that before and i have watched alot of basketball. That is blatant star treatment in a big game. The Heat, who were sucking wind and couldnt make anything get an extended break, and the ball (which would have went to the Bulls for delay of game) and seconds later, Lebron hits a clutch 3 to take control of the game.

After the game hit 73-73 there was about 4 mins left and the Heat got 4 foul calls and the Bulls got 1 (When the defender landed on Gibson) There were many other cases in that minute where the Heat were doing the same thing that the Bulls were doing, yet there was no call.

The Refs know its a big game, they knew the fouls were playing a giant role in the game. Therefore, i can not imagine how they could possibly make so any key calls on the Bulls and not the Heat.

For those of you who say that the game is over, and why does it mater, in a sense, i agree. However, its something you should consider when making your bets.

As a fan, it kills me to think that the NBA could be pulling for a team that signed the top free agents of a team built with one star, solid defense and a bench full of skilled role players. We shall see tho. Im excited for game 3

Avenger · 05-20-11, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by politicin

Great post Sports. I love your posts/threads. This is so clearly the case. Heat got all the calls and any phantom calls the Bulls got were at times that didn't matter simply to give off the idea it was called fairly when referencing the stat sheet. For others looking to delve deeper into this matter, this has also be talked about in my stellar, groundbreaking thread right here. http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basket...home-team.html

Politicin, you make a living from knowing how the books work. Your crying about the Bulls game is so hypocritical. I don't hate you, but whenever I see you bump your post, it makes me want to barf.

Take the loss and move on... how much did you lose?

Bulls will win it next time.

sweetjones55 · 05-20-11, 02:52 PM

Heat are going to get every call at home, it's been this way forever with the Heat in the playoffs even before we got the Big 3. The Big 3 just makes it worse.

stevenash · 05-20-11, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by sweetjones55

Heat are going to get every call anywhere

FYP

Thehusker · 05-20-11, 04:13 PM

Expect lebrominatti , bulls dont have enough Jedi in them to move darth vader, dal v Mia for the empire strikes back

SportsPedagogy · 05-20-11, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Thehusker

Expect lebrominatti , bulls dont have enough Jedi in them to move darth vader, dal v Mia for the empire strikes back

This is my fan boy side talking, but ... Bulls are 4-1 vs the heat this season and they beat em by 21 in game 1 ... we shall see. I think we will see more Omer Asik. He forces miami to shoot their jump shot. Remember the Heat didnt pull away for good till after Wade elbowed him on the chin and he sat out.

ReignMaker · 05-20-11, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by SportsPedagogy

This is my fan boy side talking, but ... Bulls are 4-1 vs the heat this season and they beat em by 21 in game 1 ... we shall see. I think we will see more Omer Asik. He forces miami to shoot their jump shot. Remember the Heat didnt pull away for good till after Wade elbowed him on the chin and he sat out.

That's a very good point! So if you were to bet, you'd pick Bulls?

SportsPedagogy · 05-20-11, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by ReignMaker

That's a very good point! So if you were to bet, you'd pick Bulls?

Hard to say. I legitimately believe something is going on with the officiating. I think if the Bulls lined up with the Heat and played an evenly called game, they would win the series in 6. The Heat have some GREAT players, but this is a team sport and the Bulls play as a team better then any other team in the league. No offense to the Heat, this is what the Bulls do. Much like my theory that the Mavs couldnt shoot better then they did game 1 (which was still close) The Bulls cant shoot worse then they did in Game 2. Iv watched alot of Bulls games this season, i think they will rebound. Vegas knows that general public view the Bulls like the Spurs , great regular season, but Playoffs is where it counts, and the Greats like the Heat have been waiting for this moment. This is a mistake, the Bulls are talented up and down their roster. Its going to come down to the Centers. Noah is a burst of energy who can rebound and get under a players skin. He fouls alot tho. Asik, is a guy who is deceptively agile for a 7 footer. He doesnt get his team pumped up like Noah, but he plays great Defense and is good about not getting a foul call. Both are offensive liabilities. Noah doesnt seem to understand that tho. He takes alot of bad shots and doesnt seem to draw the foul. Asik mainly looks to kick the ball out to Boozer, if he does try and slam it, he usually draws a foul, but he has been horrible from the line. This being said, game 3 will be a chessmatch between Thibs and Spoles. I think Spoles has the more Queens (chess reference, not an insult) and Pawns, Where as Thibs has one Queen, couple bishops, couple rooks, couple knights.

Chicago had a weak Away record compared to their home record, but i think a seasons away record can be chalked up to a long season. The Bulls are focused, it should be another back and fourth game. Ironically, this games ML is the same as the series.

I do like Chi at half +3 -115 tho . BOL

WIZARDOFBEANTOWN · 05-20-11, 06:34 PM

tim isn't giving picks this year like last year he was on the money last year it was so screwed up how on the dot he was!!!!!!!

panik · 05-20-11, 07:30 PM

2nd quarter game2 was disgusting I agree. So many bs fouls. The best bet in my opinion on G3 is the under,.

PlatinumBerg · 05-20-11, 09:27 PM

The Bulls should be up 2-0

NY Playa · 05-20-11, 11:52 PM

love the pts on Sunday...expect a 2 basket contest

ThaTopMoron · 05-21-11, 01:13 AM

da Bulls!!!

hanco21 · 05-21-11, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by PlatinumBerg

The Bulls should be up 2-0

BettingWizard · 05-21-11, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by PlatinumBerg

The Bulls should be up 2-0

yeah with their zero 2nd half leads in game 2

LordCC · 05-21-11, 01:39 AM

Did anyone read his book? IF so, what were your thoughts on it?

JMUplayer · 05-21-11, 01:52 AM

People over anaylze the refs way too much throwing out stats in favor of one team or the other "AFTER" the game has been played..... If it was so easy to predict then everyone would make millions and billions and there would be no casinos

JOHON8 · 05-21-11, 02:06 AM

I believe the Bulls are a better team than those 3 players, but for gambling purposes do you think it's smart to bet big on Miami ML in game 3 given they will have the refs and home advantage?

texhooper · 05-21-11, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by LordCC

Did anyone read his book? IF so, what were your thoughts on it?

found it to be an entertaining read. a blueprint for basketball betting it is not, though. he only started to crack the door open as far as how he made picks.

Goat Milk · 05-21-11, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by SportsPedagogy

Hard to say. I legitimately believe something is going on with the officiating. I think if the Bulls lined up with the Heat and played an evenly called game, they would win the series in 6. The Heat have some GREAT players, but this is a team sport and the Bulls play as a team better then any other team in the league. No offense to the Heat, this is what the Bulls do. Much like my theory that the Mavs couldnt shoot better then they did game 1 (which was still close) The Bulls cant shoot worse then they did in Game 2. Iv watched alot of Bulls games this season, i think they will rebound. Vegas knows that general public view the Bulls like the Spurs , great regular season, but Playoffs is where it counts, and the Greats like the Heat have been waiting for this moment. This is a mistake, the Bulls are talented up and down their roster. Its going to come down to the Centers. Noah is a burst of energy who can rebound and get under a players skin. He fouls alot tho. Asik, is a guy who is deceptively agile for a 7 footer. He doesnt get his team pumped up like Noah, but he plays great Defense and is good about not getting a foul call. Both are offensive liabilities. Noah doesnt seem to understand that tho. He takes alot of bad shots and doesnt seem to draw the foul. Asik mainly looks to kick the ball out to Boozer, if he does try and slam it, he usually draws a foul, but he has been horrible from the line. This being said, game 3 will be a chessmatch between Thibs and Spoles. I think Spoles has the more Queens (chess reference, not an insult) and Pawns, Where as Thibs has one Queen, couple bishops, couple rooks, couple knights.

Chicago had a weak Away record compared to their home record, but i think a seasons away record can be chalked up to a long season. The Bulls are focused, it should be another back and fourth game. Ironically, this games ML is the same as the series.

I do like Chi at half +3 -115 tho . BOL

This is a horrible analysis.

The Bulls only have 1 guy (arguably 2 with deng) that can create their own shot off the dribble. That doesn't win playoff games when teams can just pack in the paint against Rose like he's been getting shut down ALL PLAYOFFS. What is Rose averaging 28 points per game, but he's getting 1 point per shot which is pathetic.

Games in the playoffs are won when you have multiple threats on your team that can score the ball when scoring is so hard to come by in games like game 2.

The Bulls are the most INCOMPLETE team left in the playoffs. They don't know what to do at the end of games other than hand it off to Rose and see what he does.

You think Carlos Boozer is gonna win a championship????

SportsPedagogy · 05-21-11, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by hanco21

This explains a bit

Originally posted by BettingWizard

yeah with their zero 2nd half leads in game 2

Who knows what could have happened had the Bulls not gotten into foul trouble in the begining of the 2nd Q

Originally posted by JMUplayer

People over anaylze the refs way too much throwing out stats in favor of one team or the other "AFTER" the game has been played..... If it was so easy to predict then everyone would make millions and billions and there would be no casinos

I see what your saying, but there was a thread full of WTF during the game, even tho, before the game, Tim said Noah will probably be in foul trouble early.

Originally posted by Goat Milk

This is a horrible analysis.

The Bulls only have 1 guy (arguably 2 with deng) that can create their own shot off the dribble. That doesn't win playoff games when teams can just pack in the paint against Rose like he's been getting shut down ALL PLAYOFFS. What is Rose averaging 28 points per game, but he's getting 1 point per shot which is pathetic.

Games in the playoffs are won when you have multiple threats on your team that can score the ball when scoring is so hard to come by in games like game 2.

The Bulls are the most INCOMPLETE team left in the playoffs. They don't know what to do at the end of games other than hand it off to Rose and see what he does.

You think Carlos Boozer is gonna win a championship????

Name something wrong from my analysis.... You hightlighted the Bulls +3 at the Half. Thats because Defensive games stay tight. The last time the Bulls were down by more then 3 at half was the Pacers series. I believe game 2 was a 4 point deficit, then game 3 was a about 10 points i believe, but i think this is a different scenario. Pivotal game, both teams will play safe till they can get a run going. should be a 42-44 halftime score.

Also, the Bulls have been winning all season without creating their own shots because they pass the ball. Deng, Korver, Rose or Gibson all have the ability to hit outside shots and Boozer and Gibson are decent in the paint when they are on their game.They are a young team, but they are talented.