Testing my modification of JM and reverse

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  • Seth
    SBR High Roller
    • 07-02-10
    • 166

    #1
    Testing my modification of JM and reverse
    OK, I have been looking over the JM system a lot and trying to figure out a way to not risk AS much and still make a good profit through the course of the season. If you're not familiar with the system then please look in another thread because they're all over the place. The reverse system is exactly the opposite which is buying 3 points on the home team playing against the road team on a 3 game out of conference trip. At first I was going to play both systems simultaneously, but then I realized something. What is the point of making 2 A bets at -170 odds on the same game, just on opposing sides? It's almost guaranteed that I will lose 70c, $70 if I'm shooting for $100 units. The only way to avoid this almost inevitable loss would be if the game falls in that 6 point window, making both A bets winners. I haven't done the research but I'm certain the majority of the A games don't fall in this 6 point window.

    So my plan is this. I will sit back and watch the A game, no wager on it whatsoever. Whichever bet covers, I will play the B bet (A bet for me) on the side that didn't cover, either road or home, always buying 3 points as the system states. If that A bet loses, we move onto the B bet, which would be a C if we had played since the 1st game, if it wins, we take the unit profit, and if it loses, we lose a total of 6.29 units. That's the beauty of this, @ -170 odds, only playing a 2 game chase takes 6.29 units, as opposed to the roughly 18 units you would lose playing a regular 3 game chase.

    There are roughly 70 games this season that fall under the V1 system, which will be the only games played. In years past, the most losses that I have seen on both sides (reverse and original) is about 2, correct me if I'm wrong, it could be 3. So if you figure about 10 of these series fall in the 6 point window on the A bet, then that leaves us with 60 playable 2 game series. For arguments sake let's say that we incur 4 losses (2 from the original and 2 from the reverse) that will bring a total loss of -25.16 units. The other 56 wins would bring us +56 units. So, a net total profit of 30+ units at the end of the season, and this of course is saying that we actually have that many losses, it is very possible that we have less. Last year the reverse system went 80-0, not a single loss.

    If anyone is interested they can follow along, this modification that I have thought up has great potential for profit I believe. I just hate chasing 3 games @ -170. Taking an 18 unit blow is just ridiculous. If I see people are interested I will make it a season long thread. This is about the only thing that keeps me going over here on deployment in Afghanistan, so I'm looking forward to NBA starting up. Here's to a profitable season!
  • nuck44
    SBR High Roller
    • 07-24-10
    • 117

    #2
    Sounds good, I think I'll try this out as well...BOL
    And GL in Afghanistan, respect what you are doing.
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    • Seth
      SBR High Roller
      • 07-02-10
      • 166

      #3
      Thanks Nuck I appreciate that. Only a couple more weeks until this kicks off, can't wait.
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      • shoebox
        Restricted User
        • 11-26-08
        • 5710

        #4
        Cap your own games pass on the JM an earlier series loss will kill you!
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        • sportsbetwin
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 03-07-09
          • 745

          #5
          Hey Seth,

          Yeah i have thought about that myself - I think it is a smarter strategy. I don't advocate it to my members because they want to play the system from A.

          I will have to check my records but I believe there was a Reverse loss late last season. But both systems were profitable.
          Also the double window win occurs about 1 in 7 games. Nice when it happens.

          Last year the reverse system had a great run of A wins - possibly partially as a result of lines being skewed slightly.

          Reversing from A and then playing straight once reverse wins could also be an option.

          Both sytems were profitable for V1.0 (and the relatively small number of v2.0) series.
          V3.0 series (away trips in same conference) were losers for both the regular and reverse systems. Not sure of the reason - possibly more difficult to accuratley match up teams from opposing conferences.
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          • dvb02
            SBR MVP
            • 06-30-09
            • 2941

            #6
            Seth, I think there were 3 losses last year: however, it was still a +42 unit profit
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            • rickbo528
              SBR MVP
              • 10-22-08
              • 1842

              #7
              Did anyone else get the email from JM promoting his new system? It's called "The NBA IS RIGGED SYSTEM". It's hillarious and it's only $297.
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              • Rixsaw
                SBR MVP
                • 10-23-08
                • 4532

                #8
                Originally posted by rickbo528
                Did anyone else get the email from JM promoting his new system? It's called "The NBA IS RIGGED SYSTEM". It's hillarious and it's only $297.
                Some guys can turn this into 10K. I ain't paying for some system for a sport that is rigged.

                SETH: will you be posting and tracking these plays to see how it works out? BOL
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                • dimon
                  SBR MVP
                  • 08-14-09
                  • 1159

                  #9
                  rigged system...that is funny, make sure to send the statement that you will not share this sh*t
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                  • Stealinhome
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 10-23-09
                    • 977

                    #10
                    Looks good can't wait for NBA
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                    • Seth
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 07-02-10
                      • 166

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rixsaw
                      Some guys can turn this into 10K. I ain't paying for some system for a sport that is rigged.

                      SETH: will you be posting and tracking these plays to see how it works out? BOL

                      Yeah I'll be posting the plays for sure, as long as I have the abililty to get to my computer. I can't wait for this to start up. Thanks to everybody who's giving their opinions, I'm taking them into account and trying to see if there are any ways to further decrease the risk and still maximize profit! But at the moment I'm happy with what I've put together.
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                      • Seth
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 07-02-10
                        • 166

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sportsbetwin
                        Hey Seth,

                        Yeah i have thought about that myself - I think it is a smarter strategy. I don't advocate it to my members because they want to play the system from A.

                        I will have to check my records but I believe there was a Reverse loss late last season. But both systems were profitable.
                        Also the double window win occurs about 1 in 7 games. Nice when it happens.

                        Last year the reverse system had a great run of A wins - possibly partially as a result of lines being skewed slightly.

                        Reversing from A and then playing straight once reverse wins could also be an option.

                        Both sytems were profitable for V1.0 (and the relatively small number of v2.0) series.
                        V3.0 series (away trips in same conference) were losers for both the regular and reverse systems. Not sure of the reason - possibly more difficult to accuratley match up teams from opposing conferences.

                        Appreciate the info sportsbetwin, thanks! So I was just about right when I said that 10 in 70 would fall in that six point window. Reversing from A sounds great as well due to the fact the line moves so much against JM system users that first A bet, so I could see myself trying something like that as well. Yeah, I've never played the V3 and don't plan on it, I'm fine with V1. Appreciate the help man.
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                        • Seth
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 07-02-10
                          • 166

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dvb02
                          Seth, I think there were 3 losses last year: however, it was still a +42 unit profit
                          Thanks man, 3 losses combined original and reverse? Or just original?
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                          • Seth
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 07-02-10
                            • 166

                            #14
                            OK..first series starts on the 30th (Portland). I'll watch that game and decide which side to play on the 2nd game, which will be vs. Chicago. Won't be playing the V2 game today (Sacramento) because V2 has done nothing but emptied my pockets in the past.

                            Note: To start the season I'll probably only be buying 2 points, reason being the only books I have funded at the moment can buy up to 2 points, juice is better (-150), just hope the system still works out like this for a little while before I transfer funds to a 3 point buying book.
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                            • EasyHustlin
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 07-15-10
                              • 633

                              #15
                              Why not use Labby lines? Would soften the blow on any losses.
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                              • dimon
                                SBR MVP
                                • 08-14-09
                                • 1159

                                #16
                                no buying...play opposite and you will be good to go
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                                • Seth
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 07-02-10
                                  • 166

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by EasyHustlin
                                  Why not use Labby lines? Would soften the blow on any losses.
                                  Soften the blow on a loss? As I've stated before, it's only a two game chase risking about 6 units a series. That's about as soft as you can ask for with a winning percentage as high as this. But, if you'd like you can post your labby using this system and see how it works out as far as net profit goes by the end of the season. If it looks good I'll jump on board. Thanks for the info. It's just that after doing the actual JM system in all sports and taking huge losses anywhere from 11 to 20 units, 6 doesn't sound very bad to me.
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                                  • Seth
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 07-02-10
                                    • 166

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by dimon
                                    no buying...play opposite and you will be good to go
                                    Not following. Play opposite the regular pick at the original spread (-110 odds) and I'll be good to go? Do you have any data to prove this is a solid system and has been lucrative in the past? Look forward to seeing it, thanks.
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                                    • EasyHustlin
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 07-15-10
                                      • 633

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Seth
                                      Soften the blow on a loss? As I've stated before, it's only a two game chase risking about 6 units a series. That's about as soft as you can ask for with a winning percentage as high as this. But, if you'd like you can post your labby using this system and see how it works out as far as net profit goes by the end of the season. If it looks good I'll jump on board. Thanks for the info. It's just that after doing the actual JM system in all sports and taking huge losses anywhere from 11 to 20 units, 6 doesn't sound very bad to me.
                                      Silly of me. I understand now... will be keeping an eye on this.
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                                      • Seth
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 07-02-10
                                        • 166

                                        #20
                                        After some consideration, I'm going to implement my system on both V1 and V2 games, just due to the fact that a series loss isn't as detrimental as it would be if I were following the actual system. Yesterday, SAC covered for the original and MIN didn't for the reverse. So the reverse B bet (A for me) will be on NJ on Friday +3 points.

                                        Another point to take into consideration is that Morrison doesn't count the first 3 games of all teams as part of the system, and deems them unofficial. But, since reverse isn't a JM system, I'm going to make the first series play on NJ on Friday. Once the line is out I'll post it after I have placed my wager. Good luck to all on a profitable season!
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                                        • joanapoker
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 12-09-08
                                          • 2275

                                          #21
                                          Seth,
                                          It's seems another lucrative or at least worth to try system!
                                          Your attitude regarding the approach you make to your system is impeccable and I only wish u the best of successes!

                                          I will making some of this plays also!

                                          Cheers and gl
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                                          • SkivChef
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 10-19-09
                                            • 730

                                            #22
                                            v1 reverse is solid
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                                            • Seth
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 07-02-10
                                              • 166

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by joanapoker
                                              Seth,
                                              It's seems another lucrative or at least worth to try system!
                                              Your attitude regarding the approach you make to your system is impeccable and I only wish u the best of successes!

                                              I will making some of this plays also!

                                              Cheers and gl
                                              Appreciate that joanapoker, good luck to you this season as well!
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                                              • isg2010
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 09-28-10
                                                • 126

                                                #24
                                                Since Portland covered last night as well, will the play be on the team vs. LAC, Or a bet on GS +3 points?
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                                                • Seth
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 07-02-10
                                                  • 166

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by isg2010
                                                  Since Portland covered last night as well, will the play be on the team vs. LAC, Or a bet on GS +3 points?
                                                  According to my schedule, Portland was not an eligible play last night. Portland's series starts on the 30th against NY, followed by CHI, then MIL.
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                                                  • Seth
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 07-02-10
                                                    • 166

                                                    #26
                                                    First Play of season: NJ ML -140 over SAC

                                                    This one here has great value in not having to buy the 3 points. Buying them would bring the line to +1/2 which means absolutely nothing and you'd be wasting your money. This is an A bet, should they lose, B bet will be on CLE tomorrow.

                                                    Won't be on here much as I'm traveling back to Afghanistan after just finishing my mid deployment leave. Let's hope this one cashes!
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                                                    • Seth
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 07-02-10
                                                      • 166

                                                      #27
                                                      To add so my units are tracked:
                                                      Risk 1.4 to win 1

                                                      Season record:
                                                      A bets: (0-0)
                                                      B bets: (0-0)
                                                      P/L: $0.00
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                                                      • SkivChef
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 10-19-09
                                                        • 730

                                                        #28
                                                        is this a v2 play? v2 reverse was rough last year.
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                                                        • joanapoker
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 12-09-08
                                                          • 2275

                                                          #29
                                                          I'm on them too but at -2.5

                                                          GL
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                                                          • Seth
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 07-02-10
                                                            • 166

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by SkivChef
                                                            is this a v2 play? v2 reverse was rough last year.
                                                            Yea totally agree. Not exactly sure why I pulled the trigger on this one. From now on I'm only playing V1, this was my mindset from the start. So, I'll just hope for the W tonight because I won't chase if it should turn out as a loss.

                                                            No matter the outcome of this one, W or L, I won't add it to the record. None of my research prior to the season had anything to do with V2 reverse, so I'm not gonna mess with it from here on.

                                                            Still on NJ tonight though, let's get a win!
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                                                            • joanapoker
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 12-09-08
                                                              • 2275

                                                              #31
                                                              NJ cashes at -2.5 easy )
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                                                              • Pavv4
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 12-16-09
                                                                • 464

                                                                #32
                                                                Seth where are you?
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                                                                • isg2010
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 09-28-10
                                                                  • 126

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Anyone?
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                                                                  • SkivChef
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 10-19-09
                                                                    • 730

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Seth..........Seth.........
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                                                                    • SkivChef
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 10-19-09
                                                                      • 730

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I decided v2 wasn't as rough as i thought, v3 was the rough one. I'm playin v1 and v2. bulls and kings tonite!
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