I love this play right now, but, as we all know, I'm a huge Cavs fan. I need someone to play devil's advocate here and convince me why this isn't a great play.
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it seems to easy to take cavs and it's do or die game for the bulls, if they still lose this it will be a more difficult hole to climb what do you think about the totals of this game?Comment -
There are probably a fair few reasons not to pound it but i like the cavs too.Good luckComment -
Trap city.Comment -
Cavs are a huge public play and the bulls are a decent home team they just beat the cavs at home about a month ago.
I cant back eithier team in this spot to be honest but best of luck whatever you decide.
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maybe cavs will win but won't coverComment -
I would rather take Cle than Chi in this spot but to be honest I'm just not feeling this one.Comment -
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this is pretty tricky.....maybe the game will go over though, and we wont have to pick a winner.Comment -
the two times they beat cavs at home cant be made as indicator, early season, i believe because of trying to fit in shaq while a month ago, james was not playingComment -
ya this is a tough call...i like the bulls ML...Comment -
Ok, let me try this again. Yes, I know the public is on the play, that's not enough to dissuade me. Also, those of you who run around yelling "trap game" at everything haven't been making money. Trap games don't occur much in the playoffs as you know both teams will be giving 100%.
I want BASKETBALL REASONS why I shouldn't pound the Cavs. Someone explain how Chicago is going to stay within this number. They had 22 more possessions than the Cavs last game, outrebounded them, had a franchise low 4 turnovers, and STILL lost by 10.Comment -
I think the only game the bulls are going to win is game 4 in chicago... Im from chicago and honestly I see the bulls only pulling off one upset if any.Comment -
I like the CAVS..Good Luck with your wagerComment -
I want BASKETBALL REASONS why I shouldn't pound the Cavs. Someone explain how Chicago is going to stay within this number. They had 22 more possessions than the Cavs last game, outrebounded them, had a franchise low 4 turnovers, and STILL lost by 10.[/quote]
Williams, there are no basketball reasons to not take the Cavs and you know it and so does everybody else. So armed with this info why is the open at 4 and drop to 3.5?? That's all I need to question it because the people that set the lines and move the lines is smarter than me. Although, it is coming back to 4 as we speak at some shops even Pinnacle which is good news. Cavs probably win this game and there is a script to it.. The Bulls play a great game spurred on by the home crowd. Most of the Cavs don't show but Lebron and the last possession of a tied game Lebron takes it to the rack and the Cavs win by 2. Ball game Cavs win and you lose.Comment -
Love love love Cavs here. Bulls is just worse at every position.Comment -
Their is no reason not to pound them! Cavs win by 10.Comment -
Derrick Rose at home. nuff said.Comment -
I'm laying a fortune on the Cavs M/LComment -
I'm with the OP, it seems like easy money but as others have mentioned it does seem to easy and gut feeling this time is leaning towards a bulls home victory.Comment -
I could see the Bulls lossing by One here. The Bulls are going to play hard and the cavs have played down to the competition all season. Feeling like this one is going to be tight but the cavs win 99-98.Comment -
this is the bulls last stand, if they were realistically going to win any game in this series it was going to be game 3Comment -
Wish i could give you basketball reasons but i cant. I do know the cavs were favored by 10 last time they played in chicago with Lebron in the lineup and won by 7. The time before that they were favored by 7.5 in chicago (nov) and lost by 9.Maybe go and look back at those games and see the stats and look at some factors into why they didnt cover those games and lost 1 outright. Good luck with whatever you decide.Comment -
i like the over here, it's better than the sidesComment -
At the first glance I was leaning towards the Bulls, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Last game, the Bulls looked great right until Lebron decided he wanted the win and got crazy in the 4th. This is the playoffs and you can't question Cavs' motivation - They want to finish this series, rest and prepare for the next round. (Just like last year).
As i said the Bulls looked great in the first 3 Q's. This is why:
They had 22 possesions more than Cavs.
They only made 4 TO's against 11 from the Cavs.
They had 13 OR against Cavs 5.
Noah, Deng and Rose all put up 20+ points.
AND STILL THEY LOST BY 10.
You can say that Lebron wont put up 40 again. But he's a beast in the playoffs, and he'll at least get 25+. At the same time, will Williams hit just 2-8 again? And will Shaq get into foul trouble as early again only playing 15 minutes?
T. Brothers will be reffing, but the other two refs favours the Bulls big time, so I'll call this even.Comment -
I am in full support of the Cavs bet. Bulls have actually been playing better than usual, but expect the Cavs to implement new defensive schemes. Like LeBron says. btw the Bulls are natural at letting down the home crowd. I think Bulls is the trap.. the home win tonight could be OKC instead.
"We know we can play better," James said. "We gave them too many transition points and too many paint points. Those are things we can control. If we can crack that down halfway, we may bust the game wide open."
The Cavaliers are outshooting the Bulls 51 percent to 43.3 percent, are outrebounding them by a 43-38 average and have 21 blocks to Chicago's seven. Yet the numbers that stand out to James are these: The Bulls' 56-38 scoring advantage in the paint in Game 2 and 18-15 edge on the break on Monday.Comment -
Alright you guys are killing me here. Lyon is the only one who has given a legitimate response. I hope you guys do more research than this when you bet.
Derrick rose at home is enough said? How about lebron on the road?
Hopefully some guys like shoe, lb, dex, houli, goat, sweetjones etc will provide some thoughts.Comment -
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Williams you asked for basketball reasons but like i said their are none to support taking the bulls. You arent one that looks much at lines . I would suggest waiting closer to gametime and see how the line moves. One thing i can tell you from years of watching NBA playoffs is that alot of teams no matter how bad they are when they get home down 2-0 they give it there all and many times win outright over much better teams. Of course this doesnt happen every time but i've seen it enough. Are you looking at the 3.5 and thinking its a gift?Comment -
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Hey guys, first off, ignore my last post. I'm posting from my Blackberry in class and there were about 10 responses I didn't see before hitting submit, hence why I was still asking for feedback from some guys who had already posted.
I'm not sure it's a gift, but I do love it. The Cavs want this series over and done with. They still haven't played a great game, but have won by double digits both times. Also, Lebron has a habit of playing even better on the road (hopefully the Bulls bench mouths off to him again). I have no doubt the Bulls will be giving it their all tonight, I just don't think their all is good enough against a much more talented Cavs team. There is no way a Mike Brown team is going to get beat up on the offensive glass in back to back games, nor is Noah going to score 25 again.
I will watch the line of course (I always do, just never make decisions solely off of it), but I think I will be making a large play here. If this game is close down the stretch Lebron will extend the lead before the buzzer. The Cavs had a lot going against them last game and still did fine, I'm expecting an 8-10 point win tonight.Comment -
Cleveland will end the win here and make the series 3-0. I have Cleveland win by 7. Lebron in 4th qrt will put up a lot of 3s like always and that will destroy the bulls.
When i run my plays i have this:
With full team Bulls: expected winning: 41%
With full team Cleveland: expected winning 78%
Cleveland has a better offense and defense over Chicago. Yes Chicago will put up a fight to try and win but they are probably 1 of the worst shooting teams. I hate how all their players shot it makes me sad. If Lebron wasn't to play then Chicago might have a chance to win. This is the playoffs not regular season and so far Chicago is down 2-0 they won't be moving forward. Teams that care to win will do everything they can to take it. Look at Spurs last night! Series 1-1. They wanted the win so that they weren't 2-0 going to play at home. Bulls didn't show that, they lost by 10 pts and will lose by 5-7 points for sure. I'd take the -3.5/-4
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Williams, I can't provide insight to dispute taking the Cavs in this spot. I've tried objectively (as I am a Cavs fan from Akron) but I know at the end of the day I will have large money on the Cavs laying the points.
I think the question that I am asking myself is that before this series, how did I see it playing out. I thought the sweep was reasonable and am sticking with that.
Last year (1 vs. 8) - Cavs took home victories in game 3 & 4 @ Detroit by 11 and 21 respectively. Different teams in different years I understand.
They had 22 more possessions than the Cavs last game, outrebounded them, had a franchise low 4 turnovers, and STILL lost by 10. No need to elaborate from there. Noah and Rose have been lights out on the offensive end with a controlled aggression...look at the outcome. I don't think home court will mean a significant amount to this Cavs team filled with playoff experience. Lebron will close in on a triple double again...the Cavs go ahead by 10 early and never relinquish that cushion.Comment
