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  • Chance Harper
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 07-20-07
    • 788

    #1
    John Wall, Evan Turner top NBA draft
    John Wall, Evan Turner top NBA draft

    There's no question that some NBA teams just aren't giving it the old college try right now. And why should they since it could mean a big difference in the new college talent available for this year's draft? Kentucky's John Wall appears to be the consensus choice to be the No. 1 overall pick, with Evan Turner second. New Jersey and Minnesota are the favorites among the the teams vying for one of those players.

    They’re losing as fast as they can, ladies and gentlemen.



    The 2010 NBA regular season is drawing to a close, and in the spirit of fair play, there will be prizes for both the winners and the losers. The winners get to play in the postseason. The losers get first dibs at drafting the hottest talent out of college, so there is a built-in incentive for sub-.500 teams to lose as many games as possible.

    Everyone knows it happens. Even executive VP Stu Jackson tacitly admits “at the end of the season, determining whether or not a team is not trying their best is somewhat like trying to nail down Jell-O.”

    There are two teams in particular who have set themselves apart as the losingest losers in the NBA: the New Jersey Nets (11-66 SU, 32-44-1 ATS) and the Minnesota Timberwolves (15-62 SU, 37-39-1 ATS). There’s still a small chance for Minnesota to catch up to or even pass New Jersey in the loss column, which would give the Wolves the biggest chance of earning the No. 1 spot at the Draft Lottery. But New Jersey’s destiny is in its hands.

    There are also two college players in particular who are almost certain to go 1-2 at the NBA Draft on June 24. The question is which one will go first: point guard John Wall of the Kentucky Wildcats, or swingman Evan Turner of the Ohio State Buckeyes?

    You will find Wall’s name mentioned before Turner’s virtually everywhere you look. Wall is a bit turnover-prone and needs to improve his three-point shot, but he’s otherwise loaded with proverbial upside. Turner is more versatile and a better defender; however, he’s also turnover-prone and suffered cracked vertebrae earlier this season. Although anyone would be very happy to draft either or both of these men, Wall is almost certain to go first.

    There’s a logjam of six other teams in the running for the No. 3 spot, currently held by the Detroit Pistons (23-53 SU, 32-42-2 ATS) after an odious stretch of 11 consecutive losses at 1-10 against the betting odds. The logical choice here would be 6-foot 11 center DeMarcus Cousins, also of Kentucky. Cousins is a wide body with three-point range, and earlier concerns about his work ethic have been softened after a strong freshman year (15.1 points, 9.8 rebounds in 23.5 minutes per game) under coach John Calipari.

    The Golden State Warriors (23-53 SU, 44-31-1 ATS) are fourth from the bottom in the standings, and if they draft fourth, they’ll probably get their hands on Georgia Tech power forward Derrick Favors. He developed his offensive game in his one-and-done year with the Yellow Jackets, and the Warriors have cooled on injured sophomore Anthony Randolph, who made just eight starts this year before tearing ligaments in and around his left ankle. Favors could blossom working with talented guards like Monta Ellis and Stephon Curry.

    Next up would be the Washington Wizards (23-53 SU, 32-42-2) as their rebuilding project gets underway with a crack at Syracuse Orange small forward Wesley Johnson. He could go as high as No. 3 in this draft based on his athleticism and his shooting touch. The Wizards could use him to replace Josh Howard, who only has a team option for 2011-12 and may be written off as damaged goods after his latest knee injury. The knock on Johnson is that he’s already 22, having taken a year off following his transfer from Iowa State, so his upside is limited.

    Cousins, Favors and Johnson represent the second tier of prospects behind Wall and Turner; there’s another gap from here to players like Kansas Jayhawks center Cole Aldrich, who announced on March 29 that he would declare for the draft.
    In the end, most of the would-be stars being discussed on the mock draft boards will come and go through the NBA with little fanfare. All the more reason for teams to go into the tank for one of these Top 5 prospects. Here’s to good hunting.
  • Wade Dwayne
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 01-07-10
    • 907

    #2
    monta ellis is far from talented.
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    • sweetjones55
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 04-07-09
      • 5257

      #3
      Originally posted by Wade Dwayne
      monta ellis is far from talented.
      I agree, talented is an understatement.
      Scared money don't make money

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      • Yi
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 03-19-09
        • 646

        #4
        I'm crossing my fingers that the Wizards can some how luck themselves into the #1 pick.
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        • thebertshow
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 08-30-07
          • 645

          #5
          Given a choice, I would take Turner
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            Wall is not a game changer, he needs good players around him, there are TONS of very good guards in NBA and Wall and Turner are going to find it difficult. Wall will have trouble starting unless teams trades their guards, he ain't no way on the level of Devon Harris and that is just one team I mentioned.
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            • 1UP
              SBR Sharp
              • 01-20-10
              • 356

              #7
              I've felt so bad for the Nets all year that I began pulling for them. I'd like to see them pick up Turner if possible.
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              • m3xtreme
                SBR High Roller
                • 01-31-10
                • 225

                #8
                turner > wall < doo doo

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                • ugadawgs
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 12-09-09
                  • 148

                  #9
                  any team that passes on Wall is making a mistake
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388179

                    #10
                    If your not 6-8 or above your not changing no nba team right now, teams are deep in guards, Wall is a bad shooter which will hurt in nba.
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                    • cdhfootball
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 04-04-10
                      • 164

                      #11
                      wall is just too good to pass up.
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                      • Tree Rollins
                        SBR MVP
                        • 12-16-09
                        • 3968

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Yi
                        I'm crossing my fingers that the Wizards can some how luck themselves into the #1 pick.
                        I'm with you on that.
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                        • Chi_archie
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-22-08
                          • 63167

                          #13
                          turner no doubt
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                          • alub15
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 02-27-10
                            • 116

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Chi_archie
                            turner no doubt
                            noooo Jerome Dyson no doubt. Uconn baby
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                            • DaProfessor23
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-07-08
                              • 1180

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jjgold
                              Wall is not a game changer, he needs good players around him, there are TONS of very good guards in NBA and Wall and Turner are going to find it difficult. Wall will have trouble starting unless teams trades their guards, he ain't no way on the level of Devon Harris and that is just one team I mentioned.
                              100% agreed!!
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388179

                                #16
                                Remember Wall did not dominate college so be careful here.
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                                • mariak970107
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 03-28-10
                                  • 9

                                  #17
                                  Turner all day everyday day
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                                  • THA_DIESEL
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 02-23-10
                                    • 3632

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Chance Harper
                                    The Golden State Warriors (23-53 SU, 44-31-1 ATS) are fourth from the bottom in the standings, and if they draft fourth, they’ll probably get their hands on Georgia Tech power forward Derrick Favors. He developed his offensive game in his one-and-done year with the Yellow Jackets, and the Warriors have cooled on injured sophomore Anthony Randolph, who made just eight starts this year before tearing ligaments in and around his left ankle. Favors could blossom working with talented guards like Monta Ellis and Stephon Curry.


                                    Monta is just stealing money from the Warriors organization.

                                    Good day.
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                                    • Goat Milk
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 03-24-10
                                      • 25850

                                      #19
                                      Stealing money? He's top 6 in the league in ppg. Anytime you do that on one of the shittiest teams in the league where every player from the 1 to the 5 jacks up shots, you got something to be proud about.

                                      Turner is more like a brandon roy in NBA, whereas I would compare Wall to rose, or Devin Harris. When both Rose and Harris came into the league, they were solid passers, not very good jump shooters, but excellent drivers and finishers. Also, neither was really a "true" pg. Wall is more of a true pg than these two, and can get drive and just as quick and explosive. But you do have to question his jumpshot. That will improve with time.

                                      Turner has the whole package, he can rebound the ball, make plays for others, and score from anywhere on the court. The only problem I see with Turner is how he elevates on his shot. He doesn't really jump that high, which wll be a problem in the NBA because it might be more difficult for him to get 1-on-1 shots. but again, he can work on that. I see Turner coming into the league and averaging 17 6 and 4. He'll win ROY.
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                                      • THA_DIESEL
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-23-10
                                        • 3632

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                        Stealing money? He's top 6 in the league in ppg. Anytime you do that on one of the shittiest teams in the league where every player from the 1 to the 5 jacks up shots, you got something to be proud about.
                                        Yes, but the Warriors are paying him franchise player money. He is not a franchise player. Monta only cares about his stats and doesn't make his teammates better.

                                        How about when he lied about his injury? What kind of "star player" does that stuff?

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                                        • BernardMadoff
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 12-12-09
                                          • 6679

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                          Stealing money? He's top 6 in the league in ppg. Anytime you do that on one of the shittiest teams in the league where every player from the 1 to the 5 jacks up shots, you got something to be proud about.

                                          Turner is more like a brandon roy in NBA, whereas I would compare Wall to rose, or Devin Harris. When both Rose and Harris came into the league, they were solid passers, not very good jump shooters, but excellent drivers and finishers. Also, neither was really a "true" pg. Wall is more of a true pg than these two, and can get drive and just as quick and explosive. But you do have to question his jumpshot. That will improve with time.

                                          Turner has the whole package, he can rebound the ball, make plays for others, and score from anywhere on the court. The only problem I see with Turner is how he elevates on his shot. He doesn't really jump that high, which wll be a problem in the NBA because it might be more difficult for him to get 1-on-1 shots. but again, he can work on that. I see Turner coming into the league and averaging 17 6 and 4. He'll win ROY.
                                          I was with you until you said Wall is more of a true point guard. Where is this footage. Also about Turner not jumping high on his jump shot, that doesnt matter, whats more important is being able to create space to get your shot off, he can do that. Many players dont hardly even jump on their jump shots, look at Kevin Martin, doesnt really even jump and he also has a low arch, still gets his shot off without a problem.
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                                          • BernardMadoff
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 12-12-09
                                            • 6679

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by THA_DIESEL
                                            Yes, but the Warriors are paying him franchise player money. He is not a franchise player. Monta only cares about his stats and doesn't make his teammates better.

                                            How about when he lied about his injury? What kind of "star player" does that stuff?

                                            Many star players have lied about an injury when it involved them doing things off the field/court that they knew could void their contract, typically lying about motorcycle/moped riding.
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                                            • Goat Milk
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 03-24-10
                                              • 25850

                                              #23
                                              Rose and Harris were merely scorers in college and when they came into the league, they were shoot-first pgs. Wall is not a true PG, but still more a true PG than both these guys were in their 1st years in the league. Rose is still not a true point right now, he's just a scoring pg.

                                              Rose averaged like 4.5 assists at Memphis, Harris' highest average (by far) was like 4.5 at Wisconson his last year, and Wall led the league in apg this year with like 6.5 i think. Wall has shown that he's a pass-first pg. Having said that, I still think Rose was better coming out of college than Wall is now.

                                              Wall is not #1 pick material, and he won't be able to hit 3s at all in the NBA as a rookie. He struggles with threes in college, which is basically a mid range shot in the NBA. But if he goes to a team that has other pieces/scorers around, he'll do just fine.
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                                              • BernardMadoff
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 12-12-09
                                                • 6679

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                Rose and Harris were merely scorers in college and when they came into the league, they were shoot-first pgs. Wall is not a true PG, but still more a true PG than both these guys were in their 1st years in the league. Rose is still not a true point right now, he's just a scoring pg.

                                                Rose averaged like 4.5 assists at Memphis, Harris' highest average (by far) was like 4.5 at Wisconson his last year, and Wall led the league in apg this year with like 6.5 i think. Wall has shown that he's a pass-first pg. Having said that, I still think Rose was better coming out of college than Wall is now.

                                                Wall is not #1 pick material, and he won't be able to hit 3s at all in the NBA as a rookie. He struggles with threes in college, which is basically a mid range shot in the NBA. But if he goes to a team that has other pieces/scorers around, he'll do just fine.
                                                For some odd reason when you were saying Devon Harris, I was thinking Deron Williams, lol. Dont know why I had that mind goof.
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