The One Thing I Dont Like About Kobe

[BernardMadoff]

Ive noticed for years when the Lakers get down 15 or more points in games, he starts deferring to teammates instead of trying to bring them back himself. Its like he wants to wash his hands clean of any big loss.

[kobefanatic]

Ive noticed for years when the Lakers get down 15 or more points in games, he starts deferring to teammates instead of trying to bring them back himself. Its like he wants to wash his hands clean of any big loss.

he tries most of the time but can't you see that if tries to do that the rest of those sissies will pout look at their body language they seem to be lazy on defense when they can't get the ball that's why kobe has to spread it around for those bums to defend

[BernardMadoff]

He only shot 11 shots, when is that last time that happened, it only happens when they get blown out.

[kobefanatic]

He only shot 11 shots, when is that last time that happened, it only happens when they get blown out.

jan 22,2006 lakers got blown out by 14 points in the 1st half by the craptors yet he erupted for 81 points the whole game

[williams22]

Kobe's a bitch and the Fakers are in trouble.

[BernardMadoff]

jan 22,2006 lakers got blown out by 14 points in the 1st half by the craptors yet he erupted for 81 points the whole game

I said 15 or more.

[kobefanatic]

Kobe's a bitch and the Fakers are in trouble.

nah, i think they got blown out will serve as a wake up call for them

[williams22]

nah, i think they got blown out will serve as a wake up call for them

Are you kidding me? Have you seen the Lakers show any fight after losses this year? They are in big trouble if they keep playing like this...and I love it

[kobefanatic]

Are you kidding me? Have you seen the Lakers show any fight after losses this year? They are in big trouble if they keep playing like this...and I love it

maybe they will when the playoffs start, why do you love it, you don't want to see a lal vs cle matchup?

[williams22]

maybe they will when the playoffs start, why do you love it, you don't want to see a lal vs cle matchup?

Honestly, I just love watching Kobe suffer because I think he's an absolute fraud of a human being. If they don't make the Finals I won't shed a tear. That being said, it will be sweet to watch Lebron dominate the Lakers in the Finals.

[kobefanatic]

Honestly, I just love watching Kobe suffer because I think he's an absolute fraud of a human being. If they don't make the Finals I won't shed a tear. That being said, it will be sweet to watch Lebron dominate the Lakers in the Finals.

why do you hate him so much? is he a bigger fraud than mkasad23?

[shoebox]

One thing that I can give credit to him is he is a champion and doesnt fold down the stretch. What bothers me is growing up as a student of the game he refuses to make his supporting cast around him better. They will be in the finals though probably vs the cavs and David Stern will make a record high in viewings $$

[BernardMadoff]

One thing that I can give credit to him is he is a champion and doesnt fold down the stretch. What bothers me is growing up as a student of the game he refuses to make his supporting cast around him better. They will be in the finals though probably vs the cavs and David Stern will make a record high in viewings $$

Im not so sure they make the finals.

[williams22]

why do you hate him so much? is he a bigger fraud than mkasad23?

In a fraud competition of Kobe as human-being versus mksad23 as a capper it would be close.

I hate almost everything about Kobe. My biggest complaint is that he's an awful teammate/leader and has never made those around him better. I also don't like him because he just seems like a miserable person off the court (not to mention the rape). I much rather watch a guy like Lebron who clearly makes his teammates better, is a tremendous leader, and conducts himself better than anyone could have hoped given all the hype he faced.

Here's an anecdote to highlight the main difference: When Kobe was hurt this year he watched the games from the locker room, never joining his teammates on the court. When Lebron sat out two games, not only was he on the bench, but he was cheering on teammates and diagramming plays in the huddle. I honestly think that the Lakers winning without him made Kobe unhappy, which is pathetic.

[BernardMadoff]

Surprised Lakerboy hasnt chimed in, he must agree with me.

[timdu82]

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[kobefanatic]

In a fraud competition of Kobe as human-being versus mksad23 as a capper it would be close.

I hate almost everything about Kobe. My biggest complaint is that he's an awful teammate/leader and has never made those around him better. I also don't like him because he just seems like a miserable person off the court (not to mention the rape). I much rather watch a guy like Lebron who clearly makes his teammates better, is a tremendous leader, and conducts himself better than anyone could have hoped given all the hype he faced.

Here's an anecdote to highlight the main difference: When Kobe was hurt this year he watched the games from the locker room, never joining his teammates on the court. When Lebron sat out two games, not only was he on the bench, but he was cheering on teammates and diagramming plays in the huddle. I honestly think that the Lakers winning without him made Kobe unhappy, which is pathetic.

he wasn't found guilty about that rape case, and too be honest lebron does really make his teammates better because he is a much more willing passer than kobe. not all human beings are the same kobe has too much pride to accept others lookng good without him, i don't care how much of a bad guy he is, i still like the way he plays

[williams22]

he wasn't found guilty about that rape case, and too be honest lebron does really make his teammates better because he is a much more willing passer than kobe. not all human beings are the same kobe has too much pride to accept others lookng good without him, i don't care how much of a bad guy he is, i still like the way he plays

Kobe's just an awful person, period. What kind of guy is so selfish that he demands that the best center in the history of the game be traded as a condition of him signing a new contract? (Yes, this did happen) Also, Kobe wasn't found not guilty, the case was dismissed because the plaintiff suddenly became unwilling to testify. Kobe settled the case out of court for an undisclosed amount which was rumored to be as high as 8 figures.

[kobefanatic]

Kobe's just an awful person, period. What kind of guy is so selfish that he demands that the best center in the history of the game be traded as a condition of him signing a new contract? (Yes, this did happen) Also, Kobe wasn't found not guilty, the case was dismissed because the plaintiff suddenly became unwilling to testify. Kobe settled the case out of court for an undisclosed amount which was rumored to be as high as 8 figures.

they're both at fault that time, shaq is on the decline that time, he should at least take a back seat to a younger player that is starting to become a great player besides it's up to the laker's owner to make a decision it's his own decision to side with kobe and besides i think shaq was also demanding a contract extension with a hefty price, the rape case is over and we don't know what really happened for the case not to push through, bottomline he's still playing and not found guilty

[williams22]

they're both at fault that time, shaq is on the decline that time, he should at least take a back seat to a younger player that is starting to become a great player besides it's up to the laker's owner to make a decision it's his own decision to side with kobe and besides i think shaq was also demanding a contract extension with a hefty price, the rape case is over and we don't know what really happened for the case not to push through, bottomline he's still playing and not found guilty

Shaq was still dominant at the time and could have easily guaranteed another ring or two if he stayed. Kobe was too much of a selfish baby to let anyone share his spotlight though.

Whether you believe it was rape or not, what he did makes him an awful person. He also bought her out to ensure the trial didn't continue.

Moral of the story, Kobe is not someone I would even want to have a beer with, much less have on my team.

[kobefanatic]

Shaq was still dominant at the time and could have easily guaranteed another ring or two if he stayed. Kobe was too much of a selfish baby to let anyone share his spotlight though.

Whether you believe it was rape or not, what he did makes him an awful person. He also bought her out to ensure the trial didn't continue.

Moral of the story, Kobe is not someone I would even want to have a beer with, much less have on my team.

you could say the same thing about jordan? i think he ripped john stockton during his hall of fame speech? also his hs coach? how about jordan punching kerr during their practice? is he an awful person?

detroit's main focus during that nba finals was to nail kobe not shaq if he's still dominant he could have raped ben wallace that time

[jsmithj88]

kobe is a superscorer he doesnt really try to make his teammates better b/c his job is to score but to his credit, he will pass if he has some1 open his teammates will prolly get high scoring % due to open looks

[kobefanatic]

kobe is a superscorer he doesnt really try to make his teammates better b/c his job is to score but to his credit, he will pass if he has some1 open his teammates will prolly get high scoring % due to open looks

[Goat Milk]

WILLIAMS22,

You've got to be the biggest HATER in the world. Kobe is a fraud? That's why he has what: 6 buzzer beaters this season. Did you know Lebron doesn't even have 6 buzzer beaters in his career (during reg. season games). I'm positive you didn't know that.

There's no one in the history of the NBA I would rather have in the final seconds of a game then Kobe. Maybe Jordan. Jordan and Kobe have hit more game winners than I can remember. Bron has done it like 4 or 5 times, and a few of those times were in the playoffs. D wade is more clutch than Lebron, has hit way more game winners, look it up if you don't think so.

WILLIAMS22,

Did you know Lebron admitted to Magic Johnson in an Interview during the USA run that Kobe Bryant was the best player in the world and that he tries so hard to model his game after Kobe? Why don't you f*cking think before you open your trap you dumbass.

Kobe is the ultimate leader, that's why he has 4 rings and Lebron has 0. Kobe is a proven winner. He has a killer state of mind. He wants the opponent to suffer as much as possible, and everything he does and says is meticulously planned out. Remember how JOrdan was during interviews? Never giving any indication of weakness- exactly the same thing with Kobe.

Next point you made: Kobe is selfish and doesn't make his teammates better.
Do you remember the team that Kobe took to the playoffs where the starting lineup had players like Luke Walton and Kwami Brown in it? That team was easily the worst team in NBA History if you took Kobe off that squad. I mean, they would win 3-5 games with that squad w/o Kobe. Remember when he averaged almost 36 ppg that one season? Do you realize who was on his team at that time? Imagine- defenses could just say, lets double/triple team kobe tonight because no 1 else scares us , he still tore them apart and made that team legit.

2. Kobe has averaged 5+ assists every year- consistent.
3. Popovich said "Pao Gasol is the most skilled Big Man in the world." He said this this year, two years after Pao has been on the Lakers. You think Pop would give Pao that recognition if he was still in Memphis? Undoubtedly. Kobe makes Pao so much better. These guys are all able to do the things they are on the floor simply because Kobe is on the floor. Defenses plan for days about how they are going to contain Kobe.
4. If Kobe didn't make his teammates better, he wouldn't have been to the finals X amount of times, and won 4 championships. Because as we all know, you can't win a championship with one player, evidenced by Lebrons 4-0 loss to the spurs that 1 year.

In summary, I know 10 times more about basketball than Williams22. And if you want to argue with me about this or anything else, bring it bro. Any Kobe Hater is a enemy of mine.

[Grind House]

Cavs are not going to the Finals. Chill out with the bullshit.

[mizzoujohn]

jan 22,2006 lakers got blown out by 14 points in the 1st half by the craptors yet he erupted for 81 points the whole game

You don't necessarily HAVE to defend kobe just because you're a laker fan. It's true.

[Zubi]

Kobe you mean the rapist? He should be in prison somewhere no playing ball.

[kobefanatic]

Kobe you mean the rapist? He should be in prison somewhere no playing ball.

oh really? how did you he's a rapist? was he convicted? he isn't found guilty by the judge

[Z_Wipf]

I love that Kobe Bryant comes out with a commercial this year "Hate me because I'm a champion, hate me because of my work ethic" It's like we hate you because you were accused of rape

-Daniel Tosh

[michalis]

the people that think kobe and la are done are gonna be surprised in the playoffs

[grapes]

Cavs are not going to the Finals. Chill out with the bullshit.

[Bankroll$10]

i think hes just trying to get the team back on track because he cant bring them back by himself and needs his team to be playing together to have a chance

[kobefanatic]

You don't necessarily HAVE to defend kobe just because you're a laker fan. It's true.

honestly i'm more of a kobe fan than a laker fan

[kobefanatic]

i think hes just trying to get the team back on track because he cant bring them back by himself and needs his team to be playing together to have a chance

everything that kobe does people seem to have a problem with it, when he shoots too much to bring back his team, people will rip him saying he's a selfish ballhog, even when he is successful in bringing them back, when he's not shooting and involving others people says he's washing his hands off a big loss, don't know why people has so much hate on that guy, while other players doesn't seem to do anything wrong, some people here says he's an awful teammate why did they become his teammates to say that about him? i think most of his teammates like him, watch odom and fisher those are 2 that seem to like him, i think being a bad teammate is a lot better than being a bad sport like lebron, he seems to be so full of himself dancing when they're blowing out their competition and walking away instead of shaking hands when he loses

[williams22]

My response to each of your misinformed points will be found in blue below.

WILLIAMS22,

You've got to be the biggest HATER in the world. Kobe is a fraud? That's why he has what: 6 buzzer beaters this season. Did you know Lebron doesn't even have 6 buzzer beaters in his career (during reg. season games). I'm positive you didn't know that.
One thing at a time here. First, I didn't say he was a fraud of a basketball player, I said he was (is) a fraud of a human being. Kobe is possibly the least likable basketball star we've seen in the last 20 years. He's a d*ck to his teammates, always seems bothered that the media dare ask him questions, and had rape allegations dismissed only after paying the girl off. This is not a guy I would ever want to be friends with, much less have a beer with. In comparison, Lebron is widely described as the most charismatic star the league has seen since Magic.

As for your 6 buzzer beater nonsense, you are way off base. Lebron had 17 buzzer beaters as of 2/4/09. Kobe had only 14 in that same time period and shot 25% (below the league-wide average) in game-winning situations. Lebron shot 34% is those situations. This stat has not been updated since then, so it doesn't include Kobe's from this year. That being said, it also doesn't include a number of Lebron's including the monster 3 he hit against Orlando in the playoffs. Also, Kobe's buzzer beater numbers have been inflated this year because he has let his team get in situations they should never be in, Lebron closes out games before the final 24 seconds.

I'm positive you are making sh*t up.

There's no one in the history of the NBA I would rather have in the final seconds of a game then Kobe. Maybe Jordan. Jordan and Kobe have hit more game winners than I can remember. Bron has done it like 4 or 5 times, and a few of those times were in the playoffs. D wade is more clutch than Lebron, has hit way more game winners, look it up if you don't think so.

Again, you are making things up. In the sime time frame as I used above, D-Wade has only 11 game winners in comparison to Kobe's 14 and Lebron's 17. With the game on the line I'd say it's about equal between Kobe and Lebron at this point. Kobe hits some very difficult shots, but Lebron has a much greater ability to get to the rim and is also going to make the correct pass if it's available.

The only argument Kobe-lovers ever use anymore is this stupid "clutch" concept. Kobe has missed many game winners, just as Lebron has. If you look up clutch stats (less than 5 minutes left and neither team leading by more than 5) Lebron OWNS everyone. Per 48 minutes of clutch time Lebron averages 65.5 points. Kobe is a distant second at 50.1. Lebron also averages close to double the amount of assists in the same time, and 2.5 times more rebounds. He also shoots a higher % from the field and from 3 in the clutch. This convincing enough? The clutch argument is STUPID.
WILLIAMS22,

Did you know Lebron admitted to Magic Johnson in an Interview during the USA run that Kobe Bryant was the best player in the world and that he tries so hard to model his game after Kobe? Why don't you f*cking think before you open your trap you dumbass.

Of course he said that, any young star in his right mind would. It's called respect, and Lebron shows it. Ironically, Kobe does not. Lebron doesn't try to model his game after Kobe. He doesn't strive to alienate teammates or hog the ball. What Lebron said at the time was that he tries to model his work ethic after Kobe. Lebron is a student of the game, he's always going to try to find a way to improve, what's wrong with that.

On a different note, Magic has called Lebron the best player in the game and has said he will most likely finish his career as the greatest ever.
Kobe is the ultimate leader, that's why he has 4 rings and Lebron has 0. Kobe is a proven winner. He has a killer state of mind. He wants the opponent to suffer as much as possible, and everything he does and says is meticulously planned out. Remember how JOrdan was during interviews? Never giving any indication of weakness- exactly the same thing with Kobe.

Rings do not equal "being a leader". If they did, Robert Horry would be one of the greatest leaders ever, yet no one will make that argument, not even Horry. Keep in mind that Jordan didn't win until his 7th season (and until he was 28 years old). Lebron is currently in his 7th season and is still only 25 years old. He also needed time to rebuild a franchise that was in the gutter, can Kobe claim that?

Lebron has a killer instinct as well, he just is better at controlling who it has negative effects on. Lebron doesn't lash out at teammates, his coaches, or the media as Kobe has time and time again.

Next point you made: Kobe is selfish and doesn't make his teammates better.
Do you remember the team that Kobe took to the playoffs where the starting lineup had players like Luke Walton and Kwami Brown in it? That team was easily the worst team in NBA History if you took Kobe off that squad. I mean, they would win 3-5 games with that squad w/o Kobe. Remember when he averaged almost 36 ppg that one season? Do you realize who was on his team at that time? Imagine- defenses could just say, lets double/triple team kobe tonight because no 1 else scares us , he still tore them apart and made that team legit.

Lebron took a team that started Eric Snow, Sasha Pavlovic, and Drew Gooden to the Finals, game-set-match Lebron.

You don't understand the concept of making teammates better do you? You realize the best games many of the Lakers played this year came when Kobe was injured? You can't say the same of the Cavs. Lebron improves those around him more than any player in the NBA.

Think of it this way, if you put Lebron in place of Kobe right now, do you really believe they wouldn't instantly become a much better team? Gasol and Odom's numbers would greatly improve. Kobe doesn't instill confidence in hi teammates, instead, he spends his time ripping them apart.

Also, Kobe demanded that Shaq be traded as part of his agreement to resign with the Lakers. Shaq is possibly the greatest center to ever play the game, yet Kobe is such a selfish b*tch that he rather have Shaq gone and lose than suck it up, share the spotlight, and win at least 2 more championships.

2. Kobe has averaged 5+ assists every year- consistent.

Whoop-de-fvcking-do. Lebron is averaging 8.6 assists this year, and is sixth in the league (all the others are PGs). Lebron averages 6.9 assists for his career, Kobe is at 4.7. More so, if you break it down and look at high value assist (assists leading to dunks or open 3s, the most effective passes) nearly all of Lebron's fall into this category while less than half of Kobe's do. Yeah Kobe's consistent, a consistent ball-hog.

3. Popovich said "Pao Gasol is the most skilled Big Man in the world." He said this this year, two years after Pao has been on the Lakers. You think Pop would give Pao that recognition if he was still in Memphis? Undoubtedly. Kobe makes Pao so much better. These guys are all able to do the things they are on the floor simply because Kobe is on the floor. Defenses plan for days about how they are going to contain Kobe.

Umm, you made my point here? I'll just assume you actually meant "doubtful" instead of "undoubtedly". Kobe does NOT make Pau better, not even close. In fact, Gasol's stats are practically unchanged from Memphis to LA, although his PPG did drop slightly. Pau has been quietly suggesting all year that Kobe needs to get him the ball more, we'll see if Kobe ever listens.

You don't think defenses plan for days against Lebron New defenses are created for Lebron because not only can he shoot, but he can drive straight through triple-teams. Also, unlike with Kobe, teams are terrified of doubling Lebron at times because he is a tremendous passer and can hurt you just as much in that regard.
4. If Kobe didn't make his teammates better, he wouldn't have been to the finals X amount of times, and won 4 championships. Because as we all know, you can't win a championship with one player, evidenced by Lebrons 4-0 loss to the spurs that 1 year.

Give Lebron Shaq in his prime and he would easily have more than Kobe's 4 rings. Kobe doesn't improve those around him. His teammates don't enjoy playing with him. Recently NBA players were polled on who they would most like to have as a teammate, Lebron won in a landslide.

In summary, I know 10 times more about basketball than Williams22. And if you want to argue with me about this or anything else, bring it bro. Any Kobe Hater is a enemy of mine.

Buddy, you are out of your league when it comes to knowledge of the NBA.