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  • TGoat
    Restricted User
    • 08-07-09
    • 612

    #1
    Goat Plays
    For the past three weeks, I've been testing and backtesting 26 subsets of my system and comparing those subsets to other "outside" factors. I've also been testing unit size variations in conjunction with the new data.

    The system hasn't changed and still handicaps exactly the same way it has from the beginning, but the plays have been based upon the strongest 6 or 7 subsets in conjunction with the outside factors.

    What I've uncovered is that the system plays range from very weak to very strong.

    So, I'll be posting my system plays with unit designations for the next two weeks. I anticipate less than half as many plays as there are games. Some days there might not even be a play. Due to time constraints, I may not be able to post some plays until just before game time.

    The units will range from (1x) to (8x), and are based upon the win percentage of the system subset. (There is no correlation to the previous "strong plays.") Unit assignations will be based upon the following chart.


    <55% No Play
    55-57% 1 Unit
    58-60% 2
    61-62% 3
    63-65% 4
    66-68% 5
    69-70% 6
    71-73% 7
    74%+ 8


    Based upon Kelly wagering and the ideas in post #80 of this thread, 55% has been arbitrarily designated as the minimum "1-Unit Value" due to the perceived 2.88% edge. All other units sizes grow from there.
    (If I made a mistake in that thread, the results of this test will surely reflect that.)

    There will be 0% judgment required on my part. The system will dictate all plays and unit sizes.

    Starts Tuesday.


    *By the way, the system went 57-44 (56.4%) +7.87 Units for the previous two weeks and is 361-288 (56%) +40 Units since November 11, 2009.*

    **I would warn everyone not to tail, due to the fact that this particular procedure is only partially proven and in some cases based upon small sample sizes. Not to mention the fact the unit designation aspect could blow up in my face. However, I am "projecting" positive results, somewhere in the 57% range and anywhere from +12 to +25 units.**

    Here's hoping I don't completely embarrass myself.
  • aceking
    SBR MVP
    • 09-07-05
    • 4782

    #2
    good luck !
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    • schenker88
      SBR MVP
      • 01-13-10
      • 1877

      #3

      very good
      we await ur plays sire
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      • n1co35
        SBR Sharp
        • 07-13-09
        • 471

        #4
        BOL on ur plays.
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        • HCBoone
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 01-18-10
          • 596

          #5
          Nice post. I'm going to watch this, GL.
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          • Aurelius
            SBR High Roller
            • 09-02-09
            • 190

            #6
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            • ngates815
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-01-09
              • 13845

              #7
              Good Luck.
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              • doublec
                SBR High Roller
                • 12-16-09
                • 196

                #8
                TGoat! Glad to see you back in action! Will be watching this thread closely. Best of luck!
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                • SpreadSniper
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 02-17-09
                  • 6125

                  #9
                  Back at it... nice. Sides, totals, both?
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                  • Dexter
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 12-24-08
                    • 25829

                    #10
                    GL TGoat
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                    • benjy
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-19-09
                      • 2158

                      #11
                      BOL TGoat!
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                      • AzNDooM
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-29-08
                        • 1611

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TGoat
                        For the past three weeks, I've been testing and backtesting 26 subsets of my system and comparing those subsets to other "outside" factors. I've also been testing unit size variations in conjunction with the new data.

                        The system hasn't changed and still handicaps exactly the same way it has from the beginning, but the plays have been based upon the strongest 6 or 7 subsets in conjunction with the outside factors.

                        What I've uncovered is that the system plays range from very weak to very strong.

                        So, I'll be posting my system plays with unit designations for the next two weeks. I anticipate less than half as many plays as there are games. Some days there might not even be a play. Due to time constraints, I may not be able to post some plays until just before game time.

                        The units will range from (1x) to (8x), and are based upon the win percentage of the system subset. (There is no correlation to the previous "strong plays.") Unit assignations will be based upon the following chart.


                        <55% No Play
                        55-57% 1 Unit
                        58-60% 2
                        61-62% 3
                        63-65% 4
                        66-68% 5
                        69-70% 6
                        71-73% 7
                        74%+ 8

                        Based upon Kelly wagering and the ideas in post #80 of this thread, 55% has been arbitrarily designated as the minimum "1-Unit Value" due to the perceived 2.88% edge. All other units sizes grow from there.
                        (If I made a mistake in that thread, the results of this test will surely reflect that.)

                        There will be 0% judgment required on my part. The system will dictate all plays and unit sizes.

                        Starts Tuesday.


                        *By the way, the system went 57-44 (56.4%) +7.87 Units for the previous two weeks and is 361-288 (56%) +40 Units since November 11, 2009.*

                        **I would warn everyone not to tail, due to the fact that this particular procedure is only partially proven and in some cases based upon small sample sizes. Not to mention the fact the unit designation aspect could blow up in my face. However, I am "projecting" positive results, somewhere in the 57% range and anywhere from +12 to +25 units.**

                        Here's hoping I don't completely embarrass myself.
                        I am currently using Kelly Formula for wagers but out of curiousity, are you using the winning percentage odds of p: of the actual odds provided to you by Vegas, or odds created on the chance of winning? As I do not use b, p and q with the same variable.
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                        • TGoat
                          Restricted User
                          • 08-07-09
                          • 612

                          #13
                          Originally posted by AzNDooM
                          I am currently using Kelly Formula for wagers but out of curiousity, are you using the winning percentage odds of p: of the actual odds provided to you by Vegas, or odds created on the chance of winning? As I do not use b, p and q with the same variable.
                          You're going to have to define b, p and q.
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                          • alamo
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 02-21-09
                            • 7131

                            #14
                            Good luck Grandad Goat !
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                            • dimon
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-14-09
                              • 1159

                              #15
                              good luck with your plays
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                              • azn624
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-29-09
                                • 2771

                                #16
                                GL on your plays Tgoat
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                                • n1co35
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 07-13-09
                                  • 471

                                  #17
                                  BOL on ur plays tonight.
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                                  • Afrodiziak
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 12-15-09
                                    • 232

                                    #18
                                    Good luck TGoat, certainly will be watching this thread closely. Hopefully you cash big!!!
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                                    • Irish Lumberjack
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 12-04-07
                                      • 2086

                                      #19
                                      good luck with your system!
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                                      • bigboyfosho
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-19-09
                                        • 1576

                                        #20
                                        good luck
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                                        • lakerboy
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 04-02-09
                                          • 94379

                                          #21
                                          Tgoat i wish you the best with your plays
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                                          • texassoljaz
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 12-26-09
                                            • 634

                                            #22
                                            GOODLUCK on your plays tgoat. hope everything works out
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                                            • lyon804
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 11-02-09
                                              • 6526

                                              #23
                                              Nice of you to share with us TGoat!
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                                              • CHAZ
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-09-09
                                                • 4978

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by doublec
                                                TGoat! Glad to see you back in action! Will be watching this thread closely. Best of luck!
                                                Originally posted by SpreadSniper
                                                Sides, totals, both?
                                                ....
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                                                • NBAStats
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 01-18-10
                                                  • 665

                                                  #25
                                                  I'm looking forward to your plays. I'm out of town for the next few days without access to my spreadsheets, and will be tailing your plays.
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                                                  • TGoat
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 08-07-09
                                                    • 612

                                                    #26
                                                    Thanks to all the well-wishers.

                                                    During testing there were some very good days and some very bad days. Assigning units to the plays increases variance, which implies more risk, bigger swings and a larger bankroll. Cox cable is still a headache, so hopefully that won't be problem, but if it is I might miss some games here and there. I'll do my best to not let that happen.

                                                    Here we go:

                                                    nj +11 (1x)
                                                    phil -2 (2x)
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                                                    • AzNDooM
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-29-08
                                                      • 1611

                                                      #27
                                                      Like the NJ play but im staying away only cuz i have no faith in NJ. On the otherside of the ball for PHI -2 but take your bets fully into considreatino. Thanks for the UNITS as its better tracking for me and taking my opinion into consideration.
                                                      As inregards to missing days thats fine w/ me, you have a large enough sample of plays to warrant your shot calling and classify you as a top capper. At the moment, my PR for your handicapping is 96.5.
                                                      Anycase, best of luck bud.
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                                                      • TGoat
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 08-07-09
                                                        • 612

                                                        #28
                                                        dal +4.5 (3x)
                                                        ny +6.5 (1x)
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                                                        • NBAStats
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 01-18-10
                                                          • 665

                                                          #29
                                                          Goat it is obviously your choice, but I'm curious as to why you are waiting on posting plays? I'm thinking with your system you probably know earlier in the day what you will play.
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                                                          • TGoat
                                                            Restricted User
                                                            • 08-07-09
                                                            • 612

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by NBAStats
                                                            Goat it is obviously your choice, but I'm curious as to why you are waiting on posting plays? I'm thinking with your system you probably know earlier in the day what you will play.
                                                            For the most part you are right, but during testing I always used closing lines from Pinnacle. Line changes can affect the plays, and I wanted to duplicate that testing as much as possible.

                                                            I won't always be able to use closing lines, but when I can I will.
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                                                            • TGoat
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 08-07-09
                                                              • 612

                                                              #31
                                                              Since I have to leave, I'll post the last three games now. GS is a good example of a play I was 95% sure I was going to make and I was also fairly certain the line would drop. But by waiting, I've cost myself 1 1/2 points the best of it when I could have just posted it earlier at +14.5. Fortunately it's only for 1x.

                                                              clips +7 (3x)
                                                              sac +5.5 (2x)
                                                              gs +13 (1x)
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                                                              • SpreadSniper
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 02-17-09
                                                                • 6125

                                                                #32
                                                                Clip joint - no!!! say it aint so bro....
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                                                                • TGoat
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 08-07-09
                                                                  • 612

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by SpreadSniper
                                                                  Clip joint - no!!! say it aint so bro....
                                                                  I just do what I'm told.
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                                                                  • lakerboy
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 04-02-09
                                                                    • 94379

                                                                    #34
                                                                    like the clips and sac play
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                                                                    • whatsgood5
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 10-13-09
                                                                      • 15359

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Good luck tonight, really like GS without Kobe playing.
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