Lebron is on FIRE!

paco · 01-31-10, 10:16 PM

Lebron will never win a ring. Darko has a better chance of winning his 2nd

bnaid8 · 01-31-10, 10:20 PM

They may as well give Bron that MVP right now to get it out of the way

lakerboy · 01-31-10, 10:20 PM

LOL at Darko- he has more rings than Lebron. The NBA is the type of league that loves its big stars winning so Lebron will get his too.

williams22 · 01-31-10, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Williams the lakers have always been about winning tight games. Look at there history they are known for drama.They had no business beating Boston today at all but still pulled it out. I just think you get too defenseive about your team. Even when i told you they would beat lakers the second time around you werent sure- but you say you know your team. Trust me you come off as a fan not a gambler- nothing against you my friend at all but this is a gambling forum and i dont see you giving too many reasons ever to take one team or the other- nothing personal trust me.

I only give gambling opinions on Cavs games generally, as that would be what I know best. I make no qualms about the fact that I'm more of a fan than a gambler, but that doesn't mean my NBA knowledge is lacking. You're more of a bettor, I'm more an NBA fan. I don't know why that instantly makes my opinions invalid. Whether you agree or disagree with me, I always support my arguments with and/or examples. I don't simply get on here and say "Cavs rule, Lakers suck". If you don't agree with my statements, then make counter-arguments and prove me wrong, I just like talking basketball.

My point above is that your comment that the Cavs are peaking early combined with the Lakers took care of business comment come off as Laker-homer comments. You and I both know the Lakers played 3 quarters of pretty poor basketball today. We also know the Cavs win tonight means nothing, but I still enjoy a win nonetheless.

NYSportsGuy210 · 01-31-10, 10:21 PM

Yea.....they're not winning it. Magic will make sure of that...and if not Orlando....then certainly Los Angeles will in the finals.

williams22 · 01-31-10, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by NYSportsGuy210

Yea.....they're not winning it. Magic will make sure of that...and if not Orlando....then certainly Los Angeles will in the finals.

Have you watched Orlando play? They look pretty poor this year. The Hedo/Rashard pick and roll was their greatest weapon last year and gave the Cavs fits, but they don't have that anymore. Vince doesn't like going inside the 3-point line. As a Cavs fan I'm more worried about the Hawks and the Celtics (if healthy) than I am about Orlando.

paco · 01-31-10, 10:28 PM

Cavs will not even get to the finals. The Bobcats can beat them in a 7 game series

Mac4Lyfe · 01-31-10, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by williams22

Have you watched Orlando play? They look pretty poor this year. The Hedo/Rashard pick and roll was their greatest weapon last year and gave the Cavs fits, but they don't have that anymore. Vince doesn't like going inside the 3-point line. As a Cavs fan I'm more worried about the Hawks and the Celtics (if healthy) than I am about Orlando.

Very much agreed. The Cav's have never had trouble guarding Vince but Turkoglu ALWAYS gave them trouble. No way should the Magic have gotten rid of Hedo. The Hawks can't shoot worth a shit so they won't be a factor. The Celtic's will give the most trouble but not in a 7 game series. The Cav's are going to take the East easily. Now there are several teams in the West that could give them trouble. Lakers, Denver, San Antonio and Houston are teams that have Cleveland's number in the past. We shall see..

williams22 · 01-31-10, 10:35 PM

The important thing this year is that the Cavs have won all their biggest regular season games thus far. That didn't happen last year. Cleveland dropped both (I think?) games to LA, split with Boston, and lost to Orlando. This year they can handle the big games, which makes me more excited for the playoffs.

whatsgood5 · 01-31-10, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by paco

Cavs will not even get to the finals. The Bobcats can beat them in a 7 game series

That's taking things a bit too far.

pats3peat · 01-31-10, 10:38 PM

lebron didnt need to play hard after up so much but he is a chump thinks hes so good

paco · 01-31-10, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by whatsgood5

That's taking things a bit too far.

They have a better coach, that should count for at least 2 wins

whatsgood5 · 01-31-10, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by paco

They have a better coach, that should count for at least 2 wins

Lol maybe. They don't have Lebron James though

Mac4Lyfe · 01-31-10, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by williams22

The important thing this year is that the Cavs have won all their biggest regular season games thus far. That didn't happen last year. Cleveland dropped both (I think?) games to LA, split with Boston, and lost to Orlando. This year they can handle the big games, which makes me more excited for the playoffs.

Yep, Cleveland has beaten the tougher teams this year which is much different then the past 3 years BUT the teams they've played were under manned with injuries. Now of course the Cav's have been short handed as well but losing Delonte West isn't the same as Boston losing Garnett, etc.

I actually like the Cav's without Mo or Delonte starting. They both are really 6 men off the bench IMO. Mo can give you offense but his defense is horrible and it breaks down the entire team. Him and Delonte can't be trusted in the playoffs as both nutt up in crunch time. Boobie is more clutch then both of them. Boobie, Lebron and Shaq are the only one's that can be trusted in the Loff's. Even Verajao will fold up like a cheap tent down the stretch. While the Cav's really look good right now, I'm not convinced they can continue in the playoffs. The Laker's aren't even trying right now and still aren't that far behind. The Celtic's have more crunch time performers as well. I do like the Cav's against Orlando this year as I think they got worse and the Cav's got more physical with Shaq.

lakerboy · 02-01-10, 12:02 AM

If cleveland doesnt win this year i wonder what the excuse will be this time?

michalis · 02-01-10, 07:04 AM

williams22 lakerboy does have a point

this is a replay of last year, the cavs are playing amazing ball during the regular season while the lakers are doing just enough to win

but come playoff time, lakers got into form at exactly the right time while cavs faded cause they had already given their best in the regular season

the cavs are too eager to prov they are good instead of being smart about it like the lakers

that is good for us as bettors, good money can be made from this team that likes to dominate

PS - Im not saying they will fade again in the playoffs this year, just saying what happened last year and what could happen this year as well, but right now cavs look good to go all the way

williams22 · 02-01-10, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by michalis

williams22 lakerboy does have a point

this is a replay of last year, the cavs are playing amazing ball during the regular season while the lakers are doing just enough to win

but come playoff time, lakers got into form at exactly the right time while cavs faded cause they had already given their best in the regular season

the cavs are too eager to prov they are good instead of being smart about it like the lakers

that is good for us as bettors, good money can be made from this team that likes to dominate

PS - Im not saying they will fade again in the playoffs this year, just saying what happened last year and what could happen this year as well, but right now cavs look good to go all the way

A few things in response:

1. The Cavs performance this year is not equivalent to last year. Last year they blew out weak teams, but struggles against the top teams. This year, with the exception of the Boston loss on opening night, they have taken care of the top teams every time.

2. The Cavs didn't "fade" in the postseason last year, they just ran into an absolute matchup nightmare in Orlando.

3. I don't think the Lakers squeaking out games they should win easily counts as "being smart". In fact, I think it falls more along of the lines of "being arrogant". As I said before, I don't think the Lakers have a single game they can point to this year and say they played at a championship level.

4. The Lakers had one of the easiest early schedules this year, while the Cavs had one of the toughest, and yet the Cavs have the best record.

michalis · 02-01-10, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by williams22

A few things in response:

1. The Cavs performance this year is not equivalent to last year. Last year they blew out weak teams, but struggles against the top teams. This year, with the exception of the Boston loss on opening night, they have taken care of the top teams every time.

2. The Cavs didn't "fade" in the postseason last year, they just ran into an absolute matchup nightmare in Orlando.

3. I don't think the Lakers squeaking out games they should win easily counts as "being smart". In fact, I think it falls more along of the lines of "being arrogant". As I said before, I don't think the Lakers have a single game they can point to this year and say they played at a championship level.

4. The Lakers had one of the easiest early schedules this year, while the Cavs had one of the toughest, and yet the Cavs have the best record.

1. its not about who has the best record, see what happened last year (you are actually proving my point here, cavs think the best record is gonna win them the championship while its the 16-28 games after that which only matter, a 38-44team could win the championship-lol)

2. I admit i used the wrong language here, what i meant by saying that cavs faded and lakers were smart during the regular season is this:

its all about timing, all sports teams no matter what the sport is go through waves of form and performance. No team can perform consistently over the long run. I am not a sports expert but from what i have noticed, teams take advantage of this by good planning involving player rotation, training methods, intensity and timing so as to try and control when they are on a trough and when they are on a crest performance wise. I think last year cavs hit a trough right about playoff time whereas lakers were on a crest.

3. as i said in my previoius post, cavs are number 1 favorites to take this, but then again, they were last year as well. Of coarse this year they are more experienced and have more quality so i guess they have an even bigger chance, but only time will tell.