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  • lyon804
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-02-09
    • 6526

    #1
    Sorry to all Miami Backers Last nite!!!
    Guys, I am going to get on to a touchy subject with some. NBA games that are rigged. Now, listen before you get skeptical about what I am about to say. Now, I am not some barrelled in mad gambler. Anybody that knows me also knows I did not play a side in CLE/MIA game last nite. I actually bet the total going under and was actually fortunate to win. Last nite Miami was clinging to a 1 pt lead with like 40 seconds left and Dwayne wade was fouled and went to the free throw line and clanked both of them... OK.. you say well that happens. Not usually in situations like that with the caliber player Dwayne Wade is and trust me he is not a choker by any means. Cleveland then goes down the court and Miami gets the stop defensively. So Miami now has possesion of the ball with the game clock at about 27.5 seconds and shot clock at 25 seconds. Basically their was about 2.5 seconds difference between the game clock and shot clock. OK, you would expect Clevleand to foul here right???? with the diffrerence being so little in the shot clock and game clock Cleveland is not guaranteed to get the ball back, right??? Cleveland decides not to foul??? What??? If Miami holds to the last second to clank a 3 or something.... time most likely is expired jack.. Instead James is guarding Wade on the perimeter and with about 7 seconds left in the game Wade decides to throw a behind the back pass to Udonis Haslem that looked like Lebron was anticipating... He picks it and goes for the break and is fouled without converting the layup. James was fouled hard by Wade, but collects himself and sinks both free throws. Cleveland now has a 1pt lead with 3.1 seconds left. Miami inbounds the ball at half court and Wade tries a step back jumper on Lebron and CLANK to end the game....


    Now folks if you read this far congrats for me wasting your time with my mumble jumble, but is this not crazy?? I mean some real bad shit went down with Miami in the waning moments of the game. Maybe it's not rigged, but it sure was questionable play in the end by Dwayne Wade.... In the last 40 seconds of the game he manages to miss both free thows , turn the ball over to give cleveland the lead and also misses what would have been the game winning jumper in the end... Wade told reporters and teamates after the game..."that he made some mistakes" you think???


    In the end the turnover was what proved to be most costly... Hell, with the difference between the game and shot clock Wade could have dribbled around the perimeter and heaved up a wild shot and clanked it of the rim and most likely even if Cleveland rebounds the ball time is expired or less than a second left.
  • oiler
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-06-09
    • 6585

    #2
    to think that wade would even through a game is totally ridiculous,so i hope your not saying that.but this year there have been alot[i mean alot ]strange plays at the end of games this year that changed the outcome of the line.everybody has this in there mind because of that one ref who was on the take but i hope thats all it is.but in the other aspect im sure alot of guys who had the other way are dancing in there seats.what happened to phoenix yesterday,they decided not to show up for the fourth quarter and lost a huge lead,but i would like to think its a coincidence
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    • HoulihansTX
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 02-12-09
      • 30566

      #3
      Had +1.5

      But should have been an outright winner.
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      • SpreadSniper
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 02-17-09
        • 6125

        #4
        and all Favre had to do was not throw across his body in the dying seconds of the NFC championship game, but he did. Good players make bad mistakes sometimes which often dictate the outcome of the game. One could say he crumbled under the pressure, others will say it's fixed.
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        • jhack704
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 06-04-09
          • 5346

          #5
          Im sure it was rigged every ****in sport is and its bullshit, can somehow from yhe inside let me know so i know who to bet on
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          • GGPLAYER
            SBR MVP
            • 03-26-09
            • 2981

            #6
            I hear what your saying but was'nt most of the money on Clev? I mean who is rigging it then? The NBA because they want King James to be the best? Did Wade have 100k on Clev at a PK?
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            • lyon804
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 11-02-09
              • 6526

              #7
              Originally posted by oiler
              to think that wade would even through a game is totally ridiculous,so i hope your not saying that.but this year there have been alot[i mean alot ]strange plays at the end of games this year that changed the outcome of the line.everybody has this in there mind because of that one ref who was on the take but i hope thats all it is.but in the other aspect im sure alot of guys who had the other way are dancing in there seats.what happened to phoenix yesterday,they decided not to show up for the fourth quarter and lost a huge lead,but i would like to think its a coincidence

              Phoenix getting routed in the 4thQ on the road to a much better team is not shocking. Phoenix just played well enough to keep it from happening until the 4Q. My example is a little different..
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              • lyon804
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-02-09
                • 6526

                #8
                Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                Had +1.5

                But should have been an outright winner.
                Yes, I saw that. I actually made a thread the nite before the game telling people to take Miami +1.5 when the line was their at the opener. I backed out, but cashed the under instead.
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                • lyon804
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 11-02-09
                  • 6526

                  #9
                  Originally posted by GGPLAYER
                  I hear what your saying but was'nt most of the money on Clev? I mean who is rigging it then? The NBA because they want King James to be the best? Did Wade have 100k on Clev at a PK?

                  Your right the higher percentages were on CLE, but not the money... What I mean by that is... The Sharps had Miami and they bet a hell of alot more money than joe pubbie does. The percentages everywhere was 2/3 on Cleveland before tip. With the way the line moved I would expect way more actual dollars were on Miami.
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                  • GGPLAYER
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-26-09
                    • 2981

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lyon804
                    Your right the higher percentages were on CLE, but not the money... What I mean by that is... The Sharps had Miami and they bet a hell of alot more money than joe pubbie does. The percentages everywhere was 2/3 on Cleveland before tip. With the way the line moved I would expect way more actual dollars were on Miami.
                    How do you find out where the money is? I use some sites but I guess they give a percentage of bets (not actual money). That fooled me because I thought everyone was heavy on Clev and that is why I bet Miami.
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                    • williams22
                      Restricted User
                      • 09-19-08
                      • 6134

                      #11
                      Lyon,
                      First off, you know I have nothing but respect for you, your knowledge of the NBA, and your capping abilities. That being said, I think it's fairly ridiculous to say that this game was rigged. While it certainly was a bad series of events for the Heat, it was not unfathomable. Wade is not a great free throw shooter, and had missed many already on the night. Furthermore, the Cavs held him to 2 points in the second half, so he was about as cold as he could be when he got to the line.

                      The Cavs made two equally bad plays when Lebron hoisted a contested 3 and then forced an off-balance turn-around on the second-to-last drive.

                      Wade erred in trying to throw a behind-the-back pass at the end, but it was still an incredible steal by Lebron.

                      Finally, and I don't know why this hasn't gotten more attention here, when Lebron drove the length of the court and got fouled there should have been goaltending called as well. As Lebron was going down he managed to get the ball up to the rim. Wade grabbed the rim as he went in the air. This should have been an and-1 situation, not 2 free throws.
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                      • landers781
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-27-09
                        • 4774

                        #12
                        I was HEATED with this game. Had miami pick all over the place

                        But the jazz comeback made up for it I suppose

                        Good call on the under in Orlando by the way. Bavetta comes through again
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                        • kishipp
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 10-30-09
                          • 750

                          #13
                          miami had a goood lead all game too. definetly something up.
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                          • LJM
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 01-25-10
                            • 9

                            #14
                            Miami

                            Miami played their hearts out, but thats just the way the game goes.
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                            • lyon804
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 11-02-09
                              • 6526

                              #15
                              Originally posted by williams22
                              Lyon,
                              First off, you know I have nothing but respect for you, your knowledge of the NBA, and your capping abilities. That being said, I think it's fairly ridiculous to say that this game was rigged. While it certainly was a bad series of events for the Heat, it was not unfathomable. Wade is not a great free throw shooter, and had missed many already on the night. Furthermore, the Cavs held him to 2 points in the second half, so he was about as cold as he could be when he got to the line.

                              The Cavs made two equally bad plays when Lebron hoisted a contested 3 and then forced an off-balance turn-around on the second-to-last drive.

                              Wade erred in trying to throw a behind-the-back pass at the end, but it was still an incredible steal by Lebron.

                              Finally, and I don't know why this hasn't gotten more attention here, when Lebron drove the length of the court and got fouled there should have been goaltending called as well. As Lebron was going down he managed to get the ball up to the rim. Wade grabbed the rim as he went in the air. This should have been an and-1 situation, not 2 free throws.

                              Williams, I may be a little over zealous in my questionable ideas, but you must admit that game was whacky in the end.... Forget about Miami and Wade.. What about Cleveland choosing not to foul when their was only 2.4 seconds left difference between the game clock and shot clock. Dude, I realize it worked out for Cleveland in that situation due to Wade's behind the back pass turnover, but you cannot simply sit back and rely on that too happen.. If Miami controls the ball their and gets a shot at the rim in the waning seconds of the game chances are Cleveland never has another possesion in that game.. You have seen it before.last second type shot other team scrambles for a rebound/loose ball and time expires.. Which would have been reall likey in this scenario.

                              This all begs this question... Is Cleveland and their coaches that stupid??? You cannot rely on a turnover their. They were not gonna foul. You foul right their and extend the game and send wade back to the free throw line... Worst case scenario your down 3 after a foul with possesion and around 25 seconds.
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                              • lyon804
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-02-09
                                • 6526

                                #16
                                Originally posted by landers781
                                I was HEATED with this game. Had miami pick all over the place

                                But the jazz comeback made up for it I suppose

                                Good call on the under in Orlando by the way. Bavetta comes through again
                                Sup Landers!! You saw that I picked that under ORL/MEM?? The public was pounding the over and I got a bad number, but oh well. I had two other unders last nite and they all worked.. 3-0 nite again!!! Alot of games went under last nite I believe. Sometimes you get lucky and catch it at the right time I guess.
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                                • andrea_jean
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 01-04-10
                                  • 163

                                  #17
                                  Basket ball now= more entertainment stuff than sport... they set up d clev/mia game.... i agreed wif mr Lyon804 that's the question for D Wade.... well it's all about money money money........ ^^
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                                  • williams22
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 09-19-08
                                    • 6134

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by lyon804
                                    Williams, I may be a little over zealous in my questionable ideas, but you must admit that game was whacky in the end.... Forget about Miami and Wade.. What about Cleveland choosing not to foul when their was only 2.4 seconds left difference between the game clock and shot clock. Dude, I realize it worked out for Cleveland in that situation due to Wade's behind the back pass turnover, but you cannot simply sit back and rely on that too happen.. If Miami controls the ball their and gets a shot at the rim in the waning seconds of the game chances are Cleveland never has another possesion in that game.. You have seen it before.last second type shot other team scrambles for a rebound/loose ball and time expires.. Which would have been reall likey in this scenario.

                                    This all begs this question... Is Cleveland and their coaches that stupid??? You cannot rely on a turnover their. They were not gonna foul. You foul right their and extend the game and send wade back to the free throw line... Worst case scenario your down 3 after a foul with possesion and around 25 seconds.

                                    In my opinion, this was an "Oh shit" moment by Mike Brown. Just moments before he watched Lebron get to the paint and must have assumed a bucket or a foul was coming. When neither happened, I think he panicked slightly. Fouling was probably the right move, but a 3 second differential is still plenty of time since they had timeouts to advance the ball. Lebron has hit plenty of shots with less than 3 seconds before.

                                    However, I really think Mike Brown just blew it here and got lucky that Wade was stupid/Lebron was better.

                                    And I'll say it again, the foul against Lebron should have had a goaltending on Wade and been an and-1.
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                                    • jdhender
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 11-18-09
                                      • 866

                                      #19
                                      "So Miami now has possesion of the ball with the game clock at about 27.5 seconds and shot clock at 25 seconds. "

                                      That was absolute insanity - I had the same exact thoughts going through my head when all that nonsense was going on - What happened at the end of that game was not basketball.
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                                      • solareclipse33
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 01-19-08
                                        • 144

                                        #20
                                        I totally agree with you saw the game. Knew it was rigged. Ive been watching these forums for a while but havent posted in a long long time. A lot of games are fishy. A team will have a big lead. Then lose it minutes later when they found out all the money is on them! They have to switch it up to confuse the public and money varies one each quarter/half/game. Its pretty obvious. Ive been doing my homework for a while. Live and Learn Kids.
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                                        • lyon804
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 11-02-09
                                          • 6526

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by williams22
                                          In my opinion, this was an "Oh shit" moment by Mike Brown. Just moments before he watched Lebron get to the paint and must have assumed a bucket or a foul was coming. When neither happened, I think he panicked slightly. Fouling was probably the right move, but a 3 second differential is still plenty of time since they had timeouts to advance the ball. Lebron has hit plenty of shots with less than 3 seconds before.

                                          However, I really think Mike Brown just blew it here and got lucky that Wade was stupid/Lebron was better.

                                          And I'll say it again, the foul against Lebron should have had a goaltending on Wade and been an and-1.

                                          I think Cleveland would really be scary if they had a coach.. Who is Mike Brown?? Were did he come from? I think they brought him in early to be like a father figure to Lebron. Since Lebron was only a kid when he got to the NBA. He might have looked like a man, but trust me regardless how you look at that age you are a kid. I am not saying Mike Brown is a bad guy or nothing, but certainly don't have the credentials of many. Basically, alls he has learned or taught the cavs is to get out of Lebron's way. Cleveland is no doubt a fine team. True Lebron is the MVP of the league, but that team has many nice pieces and fits to be a great, wonderful supporting cast. And of course Lebron makes them all better. Like one guy or columnist wrote the other day... Even New Jersey this year would be a 50 win team if Lebron was on that team. I wouldn't bet agaisnt it.
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                                          • solareclipse33
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 01-19-08
                                            • 144

                                            #22
                                            Also Mike Brown is not stupid. It was planned kids. They didnt want miami to go up and more than one considering the line was at -1. Thats why they didnt foul. Miami had 1 point to win by.
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                                            • jcljack25
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 12-12-08
                                              • 619

                                              #23
                                              Without reading the entire thread just some of the posts, I say "It is fixed". WWE looks more realistic some nights. Gotta be on the right side of the bet, not bet on the better team.
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                                              • solareclipse33
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 01-19-08
                                                • 144

                                                #24
                                                WWE is probably in it with the nba, nfl etc. The mob is involved kids.
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                                                • solareclipse33
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 01-19-08
                                                  • 144

                                                  #25
                                                  Anyone see syracuse/G-Town. 14-0 G-town. SU takes a timeout and dominates the rest of the game to cover and take away all those G-town over hype/rivalry bull crap backers. Btw im from syracuse. lmao
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                                                  • jcljack25
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 12-12-08
                                                    • 619

                                                    #26
                                                    Thats because many books have a prop bet of "First to 10 points", its a sucker bet because most times the dog is first to 10 but loses or even gets blown out.
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                                                    • lakerboy
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 04-02-09
                                                      • 94379

                                                      #27
                                                      Not fouling there goes against all the cardinal rules of that situation. Wade missing both free throws was not acceptable and he went 9-16 on the night at the charity stripe for a 75% free throw shooter that wasnt very good. Hey gasol missed both free throws in cleveland a few nights ago and he is a better free throw shooter than wade so it happens. I stayed away from this game knowing playing a side was just a heart attack waiting to happen. Games are fixed all the time in this league and if you dont think that then you need to reevaluate how you allocate your money. Be smart and get on the right side of the fix or stay away from the intrigue matchups.
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                                                      • solareclipse33
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 01-19-08
                                                        • 144

                                                        #28
                                                        The end of the heat game did look real. Wade hustled back after giving up the ball. but then again so does the wwe wrestling
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                                                        • nobs
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 08-31-09
                                                          • 4216

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by jcljack25
                                                          Thats because many books have a prop bet of "First to 10 points", its a sucker bet because most times the dog is first to 10 but loses or even gets blown out.

                                                          How would it be a sucker bet then ? Just take the dog.
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                                                          • solareclipse33
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 01-19-08
                                                            • 144

                                                            #30
                                                            Any NBA players ever admit to fixes? Must be a black code or something. I do believe the referee who got fired. The 60 minute interview was good.
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                                                            • solareclipse33
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 01-19-08
                                                              • 144

                                                              #31
                                                              Its a sucker bet cause the other team is at home hence the fast start. Crowd energy. and they are usually the favorite.
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                                                              • cecbo
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 01-10-10
                                                                • 646

                                                                #32
                                                                In believing that some games are fixed to a certain degree, the books surely made out last night. Would it be wrong to think that they will try to give some back tonight to the masses with an easy win betting on the Lakers and Mavs tonight? Or will it just be the opposite? Any thoughts?

                                                                cecbo
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                                                                • landers781
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 02-27-09
                                                                  • 4774

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by cecbo
                                                                  In believing that some games are fixed to a certain degree, the books surely made out last night. Would it be wrong to think that they will try to give some back tonight to the masses with an easy win betting on the Lakers and Mavs tonight? Or will it just be the opposite? Any thoughts?

                                                                  cecbo

                                                                  Never think this way when gambling. These greedy fuks are out to get every cent you own and its a dog eat dog world.
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                                                                  • solareclipse33
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 01-19-08
                                                                    • 144

                                                                    #34
                                                                    U notice the books are making out more and more the economy is declining folks. If they dont make out its somebodys fault or by accident.
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                                                                    • solareclipse33
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 01-19-08
                                                                      • 144

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by landers781
                                                                      Never think this way when gambling. These greedy fuks are out to get every cent you own and its a dog eat dog world.



                                                                      LMAO well said
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